Is Stephen Jones a "Football Guy?"

[WoodysGirl]

I think he is... it's like a player being drafted. It's not how you get to the league, but what you do when you get there.

I think the important thing is to note what others in the league think of Stephen. The fact he is now on the competition committee speaks volumes.

 

[visionary]

I believe he is a football guy.

He has been in the NFL business since he was 23 years old. He's now 48. That is 25 years of NFL experience.



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of course you believe he is a "football guy"

when you start a thread with a conclusion, dont start with a question if you have already made up your mind

by this logic children of all football team owners are "football guys"
why are the best NFL teams wasting money on hiring GMs?

stupid owners

they need to follow JJs example

wait, lets look at teams where the owner is (or was until recently) also the default GM, raiders, Commanders, cowboys

hmmmm

is there a common thread here?

i am sure you think there isnt

 

[Hostile]

So John Mara, Dan Rooney, Art Rooney II, Jim Irsay, and all of the other owners are not footballl guys either?

I'm sorry but that is steeped in ignorance it frankly undermines those who even think that way.

 

[JackWagon]

Nepotism was definately in effect when Stephen was hired ... however what you do with the position after you were hired is up to you. I think Stephen is great at what he does ... manage the salary cap and negotiate player contracts.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think he is... it's like a player being drafted. It's not how you get to the league, but what you do when you get there.

I think the important thing is to note what others in the league think of Stephen. The fact he is now on the competition committee speaks volumes.

Exactly.

If you do well at your job you should get all the respect for doing it well, no matter how you were hired. Regardless of Jerry, at this point, Stephen (thanks for the spelling correction lol) does deserve his position.

Plus, what some people seem to forget, Jerry owns the Cowboys, he can do whatever he pleases with it......at least he has a son who is smart enough to actually do well in the position.

 

[preacher238]

I think he means that Steven seems more cerebral than his dad. Jerry makes alot of decisions with his heart instead of his head (like giving older players new contracts when they really shouldnt).

Pretty much dead on.....

 

[theogt]

I'd bet every dollar I had that if Stephen decided to the leave the Cowboys, more than a handful of teams would be begging to have him as their GM.

 

[MikeT22]

Nepotism was definately in effect when Stephen was hired ... however what you do with the position after you were hired is up to you. I think Stephen is great at what he does ... manage the salary cap and negotiate player contracts.

I agree he has done a good job with the cap and contracts. But I dont' see where he has any experience or talent as a personnel man who can properly evaluate talent. Lucky for us though, he also doesn't seem to have his dad's ego. We can only hope that when he takes over he'll hire an actual GM.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

We can only hope that when he takes over he'll hire an actual GM.

I don't know if that would be a hope, but I will say that hasn't been mentioned yet. When you have that much money, you might not wanna do the job yourself like Jerry is doing.

Stephen might not even want to be GM at that point and maybe would rather hire someone else to do the day to day operations.

 

[JackWagon]

I agree he has done a good job with the cap and contracts. But I dont' see where he has any experience or talent as a personnel man who can properly evaluate talent. Lucky for us though, he also doesn't seem to have his dad's ego. We can only hope that when he takes over he'll hire an actual GM.

Its my hope that happens when Jerry finally dies. But with him taking better care of himself Jerry could make it to 100.

 

[a_minimalist]

I think the real question is, are cowboyszone members "real football guys?" In my estimation, it probably takes a "football guy" to know a "football guy."

If they are, what are their credentials? If they say Stephen Jones is not a "football guy," what experience do they have to garner such an opinion?

 

[dstew60105]

He's a football guy in the sense that he was brought into the league by his dad, has remained in the league because of his dad and no other team in the league would hire him to be so much as a regional scout.

Bill Parcells does not share your opinion.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm not particularly convinced whether or not he's a football guy one way or the other. However, I do believe he'll prove to have better judgment than his father in whatever function he assumes in the here and now and in the future as well.

 

[Staxxxx]

He has been in the NFL business since he was 23 years old. He's now 48. That is 25 years of NFL experience.

^^^^THIS



I think the biggest argument against him is that another team wouldn't hire him. I think that's a bunch of BS. Guys with 25 years of Front office experience don't grow on trees. Would he have been hired by another team 25 years ago? No. Would a team hire him now? Heck Yes. People learn from their successes and failures and he has had a front row seat in a classroom that has witnessed the building of 3 Superbowl teams as well as the building of 3 straight 5 and 11 Teams. He saw fresh faced kids like Aikmen, Irvin, and Smith develop into hall of famers, while others like Quincy Carter let their 2 cent heads lead themselves to oblivion. How is this not as valuable as spending 10 years in your station wagon driving from the Comfort Inn in Iowa City to the Super 8 in Madison to the Best Western in Ann Arbor and back to Ames Iowa.

 

[junk]

no,

a football guy to me is one who played the game and moved up the coaching or scouting ranks. Not nepotism because your daddy owns the company.

"Football guy" is probably too generic of a term. I'm more interested in a personnel guru that understands scouting and player evaluation. Someone that worked their way up the ranks as a scout (and sometimes as a coach as well) and spent time learning under an established personnel person.

I've seen nothing from Stephen that indicates he possesses those skills.

Stephen was a 3 year HS starter as an all state QB, and played 4 years of college football.

How then is that no?

See the bolded part. There are plenty of dummies that played college football (and pro football). That doesn't make you qualified to be in charge of player personnel. Matt Millen, for example

 

[TwoDeep3]

I always thought a football guy was someone who perhaps played, then went into coaching, worked his way up and then perhaps joined the management.

Not always.

Kinda how Al Davis did it. The guy so many here want to suggest Jerry is like.

 

[junk]

I'd bet every dollar I had that if Stephen decided to the leave the Cowboys, more than a handful of teams would be begging to have him as their GM.

That might not be a wise bet.

Has anyone other than the Ireland/Parcells package moved on and up from the Dallas front office?

And Ireland has been more or less a disaster in Miami.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Keeping up with the Jones' has reached epic levels of jealousy. It is really hilarious.

What's hilarious is that a few in here still blame Jerry this off season even though it's evident that he's had little input this year and it's Stephen and JG's off season...haters have no boundaries and just shows that they know less than they think they do

 

[TwoDeep3]

I'd bet every dollar I had that if Stephen decided to the leave the Cowboys, more than a handful of teams would be begging to have him as their GM.

theo - come on.

If the Octomom made it public that she wants to start dating, there would be a list of men tossing their hats into the ring.

I am not slurring Stephen at all here.

But all teams make errors at some time.

Further, what does your "bet" truly say?

Is it meant as an underwriting of Stephen's skill set?

Or that there are teams who would reach out because he has been with a team for 25 years?

There could be quite a few reasons why this would occur, and none of them have anything to do with his ability to be a GM. Since that is not his position on this team.

Normally you are really sharp about your comments. Lawyer-like, which is what I have always thought you were.

This doesn't quite stand up, unless you meant to leave the murky aspect to this in the premise.

 

[junk]

So John Mara, Dan Rooney, Art Rooney II, Jim Irsay, and all of the other owners are not footballl guys either?

I'm sorry but that is steeped in ignorance it frankly undermines those who even think that way.

They aren't directing player personnel either.

They have Jerry Reese, Kevin Colbert and Ryan Grigson doing those jobs.

They also all have Super Bowl trophies in the last 5 years.