Is there anyone who wanted SP to be the next coach

[Doomsday101]

This is true as well, although history is generally a decent indicator. I expect Carolina to rebound somewhat.

Regardless, I was glad to see Payton do well - I think Cowboy fans gave him too much undeserved grief for handling the offense just as Parcells wanted him to.

In today’s NFL history means little when team who went to the playoff the year before end up not making the playoffs the following year same can be said about teams who went to the SB and the next not even make post-season those days are gone for the most part (there are some exceptions). Most teams lose too many players in a short period of time to have much stability and fall as quick as they rise. So to say at this stage that these are the bad teams and these are the good teams is a bit pre-mature in my opinion.

 

[Stautner]

In today’s NFL history means little when team who went to the playoff the year before end up not making the playoffs the following year same can be said about teams who went to the SB and the next not even make post-season those days are gone for the most part (there are some exceptions). Most teams lose too many players in a short period of time to have much stability and fall as quick as they rise. So to say at this stage that these are the bad teams and these are the good teams is a bit pre-mature in my opinion.

I'm not aware that Carolina lost a lot of players, but I see your point.

Still, you can't just ignore history. The teams that were strong one year are still the most likely to be strong the next - it's just that the odds aren't as heavy as they once were.

Of course you have to factor in gains and losses in free agency as well, but if you do it's not as if projections are just a purely random crap shoot.

Surprise drop offs and improvements have always occurred, even before free agency. They just happen a little more frequently now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not aware that Carolina lost a lot of players, but I see your point.

Still, you can't just ignore history. The teams that were strong one year ares still the most likely to be strong the next - it's just that the odds aren't as heavy as they once were.

If you factor in gains and losses in free agency as well, it's not as if projections are just a purely random crap shoot.

Most likely yes but nothing is a sure thing in the land of salary caps and FA. The days of looking at the schedule and have a pretty good ideal about teams you are going to play is just not true any longer (for the most part) As far as where certain FA goes that is not even a good indicator because all to often FA do not live up to the expectation in part because they are now surrounded by a cast of different players and many times part of a different system than they are use to.

 

[Lynyrd]

What about...........and think about it............Jimmy Johnson?
~apprehensively pressing post~

 

[Lynyrd]

I think Jerry could swallow his pride a little more for some more glory.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Jerry could swallow his pride a little more for some more glory.

I don't see Jimmy getting back into coaching anytime soon if at all. According to Jimmy he likes what he is doing and does not have to put in the long hours or deal with the stress of the job. Working at FOX keeps him close to the game but at the end of the day it is not his concern.

 

[ddh33]

Some of us liked Sean Payton and thought he would be a very good coach. I recall a famous former Dallas writer who implied that Payton might have only gotten the job for the color of his skin, but I always thought he was a great candidate to be a head coach.

i'll tell you something else, he reminds me a lot of Bill on the sideline. He's doing a great job. I still expect some big bumps along the way though.

 

[Stautner]

What about...........and think about it............Jimmy Johnson?
~apprehensively pressing post~

I started to shoot this down, as I have done when this idea came up in the past, but for some reason a thought popped into my head (a rarity if you ask some people).

I really have never thought Jimmy would ever even consider working for Jerry again - and Jerry's pride would likely prevent it anyway, but ......

It would be a big time move that would make a clear statement that the team is committed to winning and will do whatever it takes. Jerry clearly isn't above making that kind of statement or drawing attention to himself and the team, and Jimmy might like the bucks and the challenge.

I still think it's very unlikely, but I'm going to stop short of dismissing the idea altogether.

 

[Doomsday101]

I started to shoot this down, as I have done when this idea came up in the past, but for some reason a thought popped into my head (a rarity if you ask some people).

I really have never thought Jimmy would ever even consider working for Jerry again - and Jerry's pride would likely prevent it anyway, but ......

It would be a big time move that would make a clear statement that the team is committed to winning and will do whatever it takes. Jerry clearly isn't above making that kind of statement or drawing attention to himself and the team, and Jimmy might like the bucks and the challenge.

I still think it's very unlikely, but I'm going to stop short of dismissing the idea altogether.

In the words of Johnson himself never say never. But I agree very unlikely and not just the cowboys I think coaching in general.

 

[Lynyrd]

I started to shoot this down, as I have done when this idea came up in the past, but for some reason a thought popped into my head (a rarity if you ask some people).

I really have never thought Jimmy would ever even consider working for Jerry again - and Jerry's pride would likely prevent it anyway, but ......

It would be a big time move that would make a clear statement that the team is committed to winning and will do whatever it takes. Jerry clearly isn't above making that kind of statement or drawing attention to himself and the team, and Jimmy might like the bucks and the challenge.

I still think it's very unlikely, but I'm going to stop short of dismissing the idea altogether.

The reason I feel that this is a possibility is last season Jimmy made several comments on Fox how Jerry has impressed him with bringing in BP and the direction the team was heading. If Jerry gave Jimmy all the control he gives Bill than I say of course he would come back.

 

[Doomsday101]

The reason I feel that this is a possibility is last season Jimmy made several comments on Fox how Jerry has impressed him with bringing in BP and the direction the team was heading. If Jerry gave Jimmy all the control he gives Bill than I say of course he would come back.

Nice to think of the past but you can't re-live the past. Even If Jimmy were to come would not ensure we would have the same type of success. Jimmy clearly did not have the success in Miami as he did in Dallas and in Miami he was the GM and HC.

 

[Stautner]

The reason I feel that this is a possibility is last season Jimmy made several comments on Fox how Jerry has impressed him with bringing in BP and the direction the team was heading. If Jerry gave Jimmy all the control he gives Bill than I say of course he would come back.

That's a very good point and one I started to make in my previous post. One of the problems with Jerry and Jimmy was control, and Jerry has learned to relinquish control of most of the football decisions - something he would not do when Jimmy was coach. That would be an essential element to any possible return.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's a very good point and one I started to make in my previous post. One of the problems with Jerry and Jimmy was control, and Jerry has learned to relinquish control of most of the football decisions - something he would not do when Jimmy was coach. That would be an essential element to any possible return.

I would not go as far to say most but some control over football decisions. I do feel Jerry played a bigger role in getting TO than Parcells. I do think Parcells agreed but I feel Jerry is the one who approached the subject. I do think Jerry has given up some control but not a lot.

 

[Stautner]

I would not go as far to say most but some control over football decisions. I do feel Jerry played a bigger role in getting TO than Parcells. I do think Parcells agreed but I feel Jerry is the one who approached the subject. I do think Jerry has given up some control but not a lot.

I don't think of acquiring TO as a purely "football decision" - it's a joint effort that is at least as much a personnel decision that falls under the duties of the general manager. Obviously the coach has to be involved, but contracts and money are issues as well as the talent of the player.

Plus, it's different with a player like TO - talent isn't an issue. With most free agents I suspect Jerry defers to the coaches because the talent level and how they fit into the teams needs isn't as apparent.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think of acquiring TO as a purely "football decision" - it's a joint effort that is at least as much a personnel decision that falls under the duties of the general manager. Obviously the coach has to be involved, but contracts and money are issues as well as the talent of the player.

Plus, it's different with a player like TO - talent isn't an issue. With most free agents I suspect Jerry defers to the coaches because the talent level and how they fit into the teams needs isn't as apparent.

I agree for the most part but I think Jerry remains involved and I believe him and Parcells when they say it is always a joint decision. I can never envision a time as long as Jerry is owner/GM that he will not be involved. I think if there is any difference it has to do with the respect he has for Parcells as a coach.

 

[Stautner]

I agree for the most part but I think Jerry remains involved and I believe him and Parcells when they say it is always a joint decision. I can never envision a time as long as Jerry is owner/GM that he will not be involved. I think if there is any difference it has to do with the respect he has for Parcells as a coach.

You misunderstood me if you thought I was saying Jones isn't invovlved at all. What I am saying is that decisions that do not require management involvement - PURELY football decisions - Jones has essentially backed out of. It think when Jimmy was here Jerry tried to act as almost a co-coach, but he doesn't do that now.

Something that proves this (at least in my mind) is the back-up QB situation. It appeared to me that Jones was a staunch supporter of Henson and not a fan of Romo. He always touted Hensons athleticism and never seemed to miss a chance to express some doubt about Romo's gunslinger attitude that can lead to mistakes. Nevertheless, Romo is the player who is still standing.

 

[DipChit]

Come on now you can only play who is on your schedule... Look at the Eagles; Texans, 49'ers and Packers in 3 of the first 4 games...

I understand that. Which also means that had the Eagles inked a new coach odds are he would've had a good record after the first few games.. no matter who he was. Not saying "he" or even SP in his scenario couldnt have screwed it up to the point where they dropped 2 out of 3 anyway. But by *not* doing that, SP is indeed off to a good start.

How bout Kubiak with the Texans? Because they're 0-3 does that show he's not near as good a choice as SP was right now? Or is that just cause the've played better teams in at least 2 out of 3 games not to mention they're shy on talent anyways?

If Kubiak and SP were coaching opposite teams do we suppose those teams' records are different today?

Maybe, maybe not. I guess it just means that because Kubiak is 0-3 right now, no Bronco fans care at the moment if he ever comes back to coach the Broncos when Shanahan is done.

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand that. Which also means that had the Eagles inked a new coach odds are he would've had a good record after the first few games.. no matter who he was. Not saying "he" or even SP in his scenario couldnt have screwed it up to the point where they dropped 2 out of 3 anyway. But by *not* doing that, SP is indeed off to a good start.

How bout Kubiak with the Texans? Because they're 0-3 does that show he's not near as good a choice as SP was right now? Or is that just cause the've played better teams in at least 2 out of 3 games not to mention they're shy on talent anyways?

If Kubiak and SP were coaching opposite teams do we suppose those teams' records are different today?

Maybe, maybe not. I guess it just means that because Kubiak is 0-3 right now, no Bronco fans care at the moment if he ever comes back to coach the Broncos when Shanahan is done.

Problem is the Texans are not even close to playing decent football. Even some bad teams at least put up a fight. I could agree that the Texans have played some tough teams but the game is over before halftime. Kubiak has a lot of problems to address.

 

[DipChit]

Problem is the Texans are not even close to playing decent football. Even some bad teams at least put up a fight. I could agree that the Texans have played some tough teams but the game is over before halftime. Kubiak has a lot of problems to address.

Very true, Dooms. The Texans are just bad.. the Saints arent so bad.

Still say scheduling plays a big role.. for every team. Whetehr it's a 3 or 4 game window or over the course of a season. Obviously, because no shortage of people have been pointing out for months how "easy" the Eagles' is to start things off. If nothing else it can build confidence which never hurts.

Heck even for us this Sunday. Isnt it nice we're playing the Titans instead of Indy? Not saying we'd have no shot against Indy right now but one has to feel betetr about the prospect of being 2-1 Sunday night because they're facing the Titans as opposed to 1-2 cause it was a far better team that we couldnt handle that day. 1-2 means you're forced to win just to get back to .500 ball.

For the Skins sake, isnt it nice that they played the Texans this last Sunday instead of Indy, also? A loss there might've buried them for good as opposed to thinking they can turn it around. Sure we both have to play Indy sooner or later anyway but still.

To hear tell the wheels are fixin to come off in Giants land. Do we suppose we'd think that if they had played the Texans and Niners instead of Indy and Seattle at this early stage? Maybe we'd just be saying it later instead when they finally did get around to playing those teams. But then again maybe we wouldnt depending on what happened in the games inbetween.

When you're the type team hangin on by a thread or the type thats trying to establish something it just doesnt hurt to have an "advantageous" schedule. Sure if you truly are one of the stouter teams in the league, then it likely doesnt matter much. Same if you're one of the worst teams.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just curious what many thought about what SP is doing in New Orleans and at any point did you want SP to be the next coach of the Cowboys... For some reason I think this could be the last year for BP, he doesn't look to well as far as his health... It's highly doubtful that SP could leave New Orleans, so who do you think would replace BP once he is gone...

Houston has to be kicking themselves for not drafting Bush, not to mention all of those teams who passed on Drew Brees...

is it just me, or do you always ask the wrong questions?