Is this a clean hit?

[Rackat]

Rack, did you post this at any other team forums? I wonder what their take on it may be? Perhaps Nors and his koolaid are right and we're all wrong. I mean really, only 95% think it was a dirty hit. Maybe that 5% is right? LOL!

 

[Rampage]

Wilfork was obviously pushed into Losman on the play.

Really, who cares? The Bills are 3-1 after the QB change, with their only loss coming against us, and an impressive W over a good Ravens team.

watch it again. he wasn't pushed into him

 

[03EBZ06]

Really ? The part that got to me is that he threw an elbow.

I think you've mis-read Hos' response.

The question was:

Is this a clean hit?

Hos replied, um, hell no. Which means he does not believe it was a clean hit.

 

[Hostile]

I think you've mis-read Hos' response.

The question was:

Hos replied, um, hell no. Which means he does not believe it was a clean hit.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that was clean is a fool.

 

[Crown Royal]

The elbow is what makes it dirty. Had he just tried to grab at the legs it would have been fine.

 

[Q_the_man]

I put yes for the simple fact that Wilfolk was tackle from behind by the OL and while breaking his fall he stuck his elbow out and unfortunately he hit Losman knee.....

 

[5Stars]

I put yes for the simple fact that Wilfolk was tackle from behind by the OL and while breaking his fall he stuck his elbow out and unfortunately he hit Losman knee.....

Well, you are a Quincy Carter fan...so I'll just have to consider the source!

 

[Jammer]

It's real easy to say this was a cheap hit when the video is in super-slow motion, but in game speed there is a change of perspective.

 

[tomson75]

I put yes for the simple fact that Wilfolk was tackle from behind by the OL and while breaking his fall he stuck his elbow out and unfortunately he hit Losman knee.....

How often do you "break your fall" by extending your arm or elbow out horizontally to the ground? I fall down a lot, and let me tell you, that doesn't work very well.

 

[Q_the_man]

Well, you are a Quincy Carter fan...so I'll just have to consider the source!

actually my nickname is Q, and while he was on the team, I was a fan as I am to every Cowboy on the team today. at least I have a source, lol.

 

[tomson75]

It's real easy to say this was a cheap hit when the video is in super-slow motion, but in game speed there is a change of perspective.

Yep. It's 95% easier.

 

[Q_the_man]

How often do you "break your fall" by extending your arm or elbow out horizontally to the ground? I fall down a lot, and let me tell you, that doesn't work very well.

he was breaking his fall but he still had to make a play on the QB and like i said it was unfortunate that it hit his knee.if he never get tackled from behind he never hits Losman's knee, plain and simple

 

[AsthmaField]

I do think it's undoubtably a cheap shot. It's so clearly a cheap shot, as a matter of fact... that it took me a second to realize you were serious, Rack. I was like.. "Ok. What's the catch?"

I played defense for years and years and you can avoid that kind of hit if you want to. No doubt about it. You don't accidentally aim your elbow at the side of a players knee. Fall into his knee, maybe... but that kind of stuff you can avoid if you want to.

 

[AsthmaField]

I fall down a lot, and let me tell you, that doesn't work very well.

:laugh2:

I don't know why that struck me as so funny... but it did.

Thanks for the laugh, Mr. Mech-Dolphin.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

It sure looks obvious to me that he wanted to try and take out his knee. Falling or not, when you thrust out your forearm at the QB's knee, you are trying to injure him. But is this that big of a shock coming from one of the dirtiest teams who don't get punished for the things they do?

So no, it wasn't a clean hit. Did he get a penalty on the play?

 

[MapleLeaf]

hit wasn't "dirty", a big guy moving that fast can't just stop folks, leading with his arm was much better than a helmet

i feel bad for you nors, everything you post is obsessively overanalyzed

...the penalty wasn't called because he was tripped.

Second league looks at intent to be a determining factor to the severity of the fine. A fine was a guarantee and imposed after the fact because those are the types of plays the league is trying to avoid at all costs so they have a "no tolerance" policy.

I believe the very first instance of this type of fine was based on Mike Singletary's hit on Troy Aikman when he led with his elbow causing Troy to gain his first serious concussion and also splitting his chin wide open so Troy could stick his tongue through the hole.

To defend Wilfork and the push you have to look at the video tape and believe that he had a total loss of control of his body and what he was doing was not in his power to prevent.

If he was pushed from behind there should be an attempt to regain balance and make a "football play".

The league is clear about the use of the helmet, elbows forearms, launching, leg whips, clothes lines, etc. to realize that those are not "football plays" and most of those moves are deliberate or can be stopped.

Based on the video could Wilfork have used any other part of his arm other than the elbow? Was he completely caught unaware with his vision blinded that he could not see he was getting to Losman with his elbow?

Being able to see the target and what part of your body is coming in contact is a good setup to avoid an illegal hit.

I guess you can decide if he had all those options at his disposal.

From what I could see I believe Wilfork realize he was losing his footing, he could see that Losman was within his reach and he extended his elbow, possibly out of frustration for the push, to get to Losman when he knew he was going to the turf.

Was it clear intent from the snap? Most likely not. Was it an illegal hit? IMO , yes. Another change the league has to clear through.

They should make these types of plays a instant penalty regardless. Some innocent players will get the short end of the stick, but fans won't have to witness players going down in terrible circumstances.

 

[tomson75]

he was breaking his fall

No, he wasn't. He was attempting to "break" something entirely different.

but he still had to make a play on the QB

Yeah, by using the ever so efficient "elbow to the knee tackle".

and like i said it was unfortunate that it hit his knee.

Yeah, "unfortunate". Riiiiiiight.

if he never get tackled from behind he never hits Losman's knee, plain and simple

What's your point?

First off, he wasn't tackled, he was pushed and/or held by the center. Second, even if he was, that doesn't justify a cheap shot at the QB.

If it was so "plain and simple", then why did the NFL (and 90+% of the posters on this board) disagree with you? Hmmmmmm....

 

[tomson75]

:laugh2:

I don't know why that struck me as so funny... but it did.

Thanks for the laugh, Mr. Mech-Dolphin.

I aim to please.

 

[sacase]

He wasn't pushed it looked like the center was almot tackling him. To be honest it appeared he lunged elbow first right at the knee. He could have easily avoided hitting the QB at all. Should have been a penalty and a HUGE fine like 75k+. Hell Woodson got fined 75k for a LEGAL hit.

 

[MapleLeaf]

he was breaking his fall but he still had to make a play on the QB and like i said it was unfortunate that it hit his knee.if he never get tackled from behind he never hits Losman's knee, plain and simple

...the game of football is not accomplished with the elbow. They are professionals who have had at least more than average training in how to play the game.

In Wilfork's case he has been playing the game since high school so the tally is 10 years of experience at least. (3 years in HS, 3 at college and 4 as a pro.)

He has enough experience to know that what he did was an illegal move. Is he a dirty player, probably not, but what it an illegal move, yes.