Is this a clean hit?

[jimmy40]

Have a "discussion" going on at another board regarding this hit.

Does this look like a clean hit to you?

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I didn't watch it but I'd say a clean hit because nobody would want Losman taken out of a game.

 

[Doomsday]

Looked like a Buffalo Olinemen grabbed Wilfork's legs which tripped him into Losman's legs. Also looks like I am in the minority in my thinking.

 

[Nors]

Looked like a Buffalo Olinemen grabbed Wilfork's legs which tripped him into Losman's legs. Also looks like I am in the minority in my thinking.

No thats what happened, Oline tripped up and pushed Wilfork into Losman. It happens real fast and its tough to see Wilforks real intention. Probably a combination of instincts to break fall and hit QB at same time. No flag thrown but a fine.

Its a borderline hit, now had he not been pushed into Losman its a clear cheap shot.

 

[kbman]

That looked dirty to me.....

 

[Hoofbite]

the question isn't if wilfork purposely dove into the knees. he had some help no doubt but his blatantly obvious and perfectly placed elbow is what makes the hit cheap.

just about as cheap as they come IMO. pretty sure he was fined wasn't he?

 

[tomson75]

No thats what happened, Oline tripped up and pushed Wilfork into Losman. It happens real fast and its tough to see Wilforks real intention. Probably a combination of instincts to break fall and hit QB at same time. No flag thrown but a fine.

Its a borderline hit, now had he not been pushed into Losman its a clear cheap shot.

lmao....so now Olinemen are deliberately pushing defenders INTO their Qb's...brilliant!

 

[Hostile]

That looked dirty to me.....

It was. Anyone who thinks differently should be hit the same way themselves.

 

[Doomsday]

lmao....so now Olinemen are deliberately pushing defenders INTO their Qb's...brilliant!

Come on thats not what he is saying. If you look at Wilfork's feet as he is falling you can clearly see the Oline is tackling him.

 

[Nors]

lmao....so now Olinemen are deliberately pushing defenders INTO their Qb's...brilliant!

rewatch it he pushed Wilfork right at Losman

 

[Hoofbite]

No thats what happened, Oline tripped up and pushed Wilfork into Losman. It happens real fast and its tough to see Wilforks real intention. Probably a combination of instincts to break fall and hit QB at same time. No flag thrown but a fine.

Its a borderline hit, now had he not been pushed into Losman its a clear cheap shot.

who tries to break their fall with their elbows?

and who in the world tries to make a play on a QB with their elbow?

 

[5Stars]

Come on thats not what he is saying. If you look at Wilfork's feet as he is falling you can clearly see the Oline is tackling him.

So what, he's getting tackled?!! Why did he extend his elbow RIGHT TOWARDS the knee of Losman?

He did not try to "grab" the knee with his hand, he "elbowed" the friggen knee...plain as day!

I cannot believe how anyone can say this was a clean hit, or not an intentional hit.

Why didn't he try and grab the feet of Losman if he wanted to make a play? No, he aimed for the knee...open your eyes for once.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No thats what happened, Oline tripped up and pushed Wilfork into Losman. It happens real fast and its tough to see Wilforks real intention. Probably a combination of instincts to break fall and hit QB at same time. No flag thrown but a fine.

Its a borderline hit, now had he not been pushed into Losman its a clear cheap shot.

I don't agree with this. Nothing boarderline about it. He didn't have to stick his arm out at all. In fact, when you are falling with people around you like that, you try not to extend your arm because it's real easy to get it broken or get a shoulder hurt. It's something you learn when playing in the line or playing RB. IMO, there was nothing boarderline about this. IMO, he extended his arm in an akward angle, and rather then reaching for the closest point of contact to try and balance himself or break his fall. He didn't do that. He extended to impact the most vulnerable point (knee joint). Calling this anything other then intentional is just not a realistic representation of what the video shows IMO.

 

[5Stars]

rewatch it he pushed Wilfork right at Losman

So what? He got pushed? Does that make any difference to why he extened his elbow towards Losman's knee?


Sheesshhhh....freaking amazing.

 

[tomson75]

Come on thats not what he is saying. If you look at Wilfork's feet as he is falling you can clearly see the Oline is tackling him.

Correct...as I have clearly agreed with in my previous posts.

However, Nors' ability to put the blame on the center is laughable. He clearly states that he pushed Wilfork INTO the QB...which simply isn't the case. He was trying to get him to the ground. I'm not saying that the center's actions were without consequence, as he was holding Wilfork badly, but that he wasn't doing anything that doesn't occur mutiple times in every football game...only in this case, the defender felt it necessary to throw his elbow into the mix. If he had just fallen into the QB with his body it isn't a cheap shot, but he didn't...and that is inexcusable.

 

[LeonDixson]

We debated that on this board right after that game. You can see him lunge and deliberately drive his elbow into the knee. Look at it this way; if he was trying to make a tackle he would have reached out with his hands. You can reach further with your hands than you can with your elbow. He was trying to take him out of the game.

 

[tomson75]

rewatch it he pushed Wilfork right at Losman

I'll watch this a thousand times, and still know that he didn't deliberately push his QB into Losman.


Was he pushed? Yes. Was he held? Yes. Was the center trying to keep Wilfork away from Losman? Yes. Would he then push a defender at Losman? No. Did he create a situation where the defender was falling towards his QB? Yes. Does this justify the defender sticking his elbow into the QB's knee? No.

These aren't difficult questions to answer.

 

[Doomsday]

Guess I didnt notice his elbow the first few times I watched. It does look like he was looking at Losman and then stuck his elbow up at Losman's knee.

 

[jimmy40]

Have a "discussion" going on at another board regarding this hit.

Does this look like a clean hit to you?

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Are you running this same poll on that board?

 

[DallasCowboysRule!]

I'm gonna give Wilfork the benefit of the doubt on this one. It looked like a lineman tripped him up at the line and he fell into Losman's knee. There's not much you can do about that.

 

[Nors]

The same as being blocked into the punter is not a foul.

Player was pushed and tackled towards QB. His instinct is also to hit QB and or brace for fall, It was not flagged and I doubt in that 1/10 of a second he was trying to take out his knee but made a football move.