It isn't your money

[atlantacowboy]

Yup.
And if you don't want to discuss salaries, why'd you start a thread about it?

He's trying to mute all the salary talk while completely missing the point of it.

 

[Diehardblues]

NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.

While id agree with the premise of this thought , I’d present that most fans care because the contracts matter when it comes to managing Salary Caps which can impact the roster teams build .

And that can translate to the quality of teams they build and the success of that team. Beyond that I don’t think most fans would care. Besides those who are envious or jealous of anyone who makes more or lives a more prosperous life.

Most don’t care that an actor can make 50 million for a movie or a rockstar earns hundreds of millions in a tour. Probably because it’s not preventing a stronger supporting cast.

 

[kskboys]

While id agree with the premise of this thought , I’d present that most fans care because the contracts matter when it comes to managing Salary Caps which can impact the roster teams build .

And that can translate to the quality of teams they build and the success of that team. Beyond that I don’t think most fans would care. Besides those who are envious or jealous of anyone who makes more or lives a more prosperous life.

Most don’t care that an actor can make 50 million for a movie or a rockstar earns hundreds of millions in a tour. Probably because it’s not preventing a stronger supporting cast.

The fans who are envious of player salaries are a tiny tiny number.

 

[Diehardblues]

How do so many people get this so wrong?

Listen up, Jumbo. No one cares how much any player makes except how it pertains to the salary cap.

Sounds to me as if you're the one obsessed w/ their salaries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jumbo just doesn’t like the negative narratives which surround the discussions on players contracts and the impacts to Salary Cap.

 

[John813]

I'm Jerry Jones failed abortion.

It's my money and I need it now.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Actually, the money is generated from fans, so it may not be "our money" but fans are a huge part of the process of making them "their money".

That said, the only reason I care about contracts is because if one or a few players use up a lot of the salary cap, it means the team will have to go cheap in other areas.

I am not a fan of big contracts until players have proven they can help you win Super Bowls, and even then you have to weigh how it will impact and limit the team's other positions.

For example, if you give one player $30 million, then that's 12% of the 2024 salary cap for one player, who could be injured on any play or fail to live up to that contract for whatever reasons. That leaves 88% of the salary cap for the remaining 52 players.

Then you pay your quarterback (no matter who it is) $50 million per year and that's close to 20% of the salary cap on one player.

That means with two players, you have used up 32% of the salary cap leaving you with only 68% of the salary cap for the remaining 51 players.

I have no problems with players trying to get as much as they can. Their careers are short so they need to capitalize on their performance as much as possible.

I just don't like the team having to let players go or be prevented from signing players that would help the team simply because one to three players are eating up so much of the salary cap.

That part says it all!!!!

 

[FanofJerry]

Not our money? Really? Without fans and the outrageous ticket, parking, and concession prices WE pay, greedy fools like Dak, Micah, and CeeDee aren't having conversations about setting all time high markets at their positions. No, it isn't fair that those three stand to make so much more than past players. The issue some of us fans have is that these greedy players want to get paid without earning it. They demand top dollar just for showing up, and then they thank the fans by giving up in playoff games.

Those names from the past you mentioned had the passion and desire to win. The current group doesn't give a damn about anything but their bank account balances.

You wouldn't feel that way if you were a running back being run into the ground for years and then released by the real greedy individuals.

You don't want to talk about that though

It's always the non greedy that are greedy. Cool illusion God

 

[Diehardblues]

He's trying to mute all the salary talk while completely missing the point of it.

He’s just trying to stay away from the negative connotations. Which is fine. We’re all allowed to conduct our fandom however we choose.

We need a Silver Lining thread for him. Remember last week he had a thread asking fans to join him in a more positive attitude.

 

[FanofJerry]

Actually, the money is generated from fans, so it may not be "our money" but fans are a huge part of the process of making them "their money".

That said, the only reason I care about contracts is because if one or a few players use up a lot of the salary cap, it means the team will have to go cheap in other areas.

I am not a fan of big contracts until players have proven they can help you win Super Bowls, and even then you have to weigh how it will impact and limit the team's other positions.

For example, if you give one player $30 million, then that's 12% of the 2024 salary cap for one player, who could be injured on any play or fail to live up to that contract for whatever reasons. That leaves 88% of the salary cap for the remaining 52 players.

Then you pay your quarterback (no matter who it is) $50 million per year and that's close to 20% of the salary cap on one player.

That means with two players, you have used up 32% of the salary cap leaving you with only 68% of the salary cap for the remaining 51 players.

I have no problems with players trying to get as much as they can. Their careers are short so they need to capitalize on their performance as much as possible.

I just don't like the team having to let players go or be prevented from signing players that would help the team simply because one to three players are eating up so much of the salary cap.

You're avoiding supply and demand.

And...that the NFL doesn't have a system set up for compensating players based on their contribution after a Super Bowl victory.

NFL is compensation is designed for drafting a player you think can play. And then...come Second contract...paying him on future worth in regards to salary cap.

Paying a player afterwards isn't how this is played. Why do you keep talking about this opinion that isn't "reality". As your username suggests.

You're playing a different game than real gms have to play....it's not fair or worth talking about.

Provide your correcting measures or don't talk about non- reality

 

[FanofJerry]

Based on collective bargaining agreements...how do you pay star players for a regular non-super bowl victory year and how do you pay them for a super bowl victory?

I think it still comes down to trying to scam the players while not talking g about the scammers

 

[Vinnie2u]

NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.

To add another layer to the it’s not your money point. It’s not the owners money either it’s a collectively bargained percentage of revenue.. it’s the players money. Sure owners have to have cash to dole out signing bonuses ect. But trust me they not mortgaging the stadium to pay players

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.

Needed to be said.

 

[acr731]

You wouldn't feel that way if you were a running back being run into the ground for years and then released by the real greedy individuals.

You don't want to talk about that though

It's always the non greedy that are greedy. Cool illusion God

I have never been and will never be in a position to feel differently. There's no point in me speaking about it from that perspective.

But since you are bringing this up, let's use Zeke as a glaring example. He held out for more money with 2 years still left on his 1st contract. He was no where close to having been 'run into the ground', yet demanded a massive contract. He was even suspended for 6 games just the year before. He is the poster child for greed, and he's followed closely by his buddy who recently claimed he doesn't play for money.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do.

Have to disagree. Discussing salary cap decisions is really no different than discussing draft picks. It's all about resource allocation. All teams have limited cap space and limited draft picks. How a team uses these limited resources determines success or failure.

 

[FanofJerry]

I have never been and will never be in a position to feel differently. There's no point in me speaking about it from that perspective.

But since you are bringing this up, let's use Zeke as a glaring example. He held out for more money with 2 years still left on his 1st contract. He was no where close to having been 'run into the ground', yet demanded a massive contract. He was even suspended for 6 games just the year before. He is the poster child for greed, and he's followed closely by his buddy who recently claimed he doesn't play for money.

So.

Dude doesn't have a long career in this field. He was producing good come his second contract....why settle if you k ow the league is not in your favor

Why omit info?

Why talk about it if not in their shoes?

It's the FOs issue..not Zeke.

Again....the FO can look out for themselves but not the player?

 

[plymkr]

NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.

I don’t understand posts like this. As a fan what is acceptable to discuss and what is unacceptable to discuss and who gets to make that distinction?

As a fan you’re saying it’s a psychological fantasy that it matters what the guy gets paid because it’s not our money. But there’s a salary cap that affects the team and we’re fans of the team.

So is it wrong to discuss who we draft? It’s not our draft picks and the draft can be manipulated.

Is it wrong to discuss wins and losses, it’s not us winning or losing.

Is it wrong to discuss the colors of the uniform or the logo? It’s not our colors or logo.

IMO discussing contracts and FA is the same as discussing the draft, starting lineups, coaches, etc. It’s all about the team and contracts/salary cap/FA all impacts the team.

CD making 35 million APY as opposed to 28 million APY affects the team structure as much as drafting Mazi Smith. It’s apart of the team and should be open to discussion.

 

[DickWhitman]

I hate the salary cap era. It's truly lowered the NFL from the mid-90's and earlier. The whole thing's just not as good. All about the money. Huge turnoff.

 

[FanofJerry]

TL,DR

Only owners can look out for themselves, not players

Seems fair

 

[acr731]

So.

Dude doesn't have a long career in this field. He was producing good come his second contract....why settle if you k ow the league is not in your favor

Why omit info?

Why talk about it if not in their shoes?

It's the FOs issue..not Zeke.

Again....the FO can look out for themselves but not the player?

How do you figure the league is not in their favor? Do you realize Dak makes more per season than the entire 1995 salary cap (37.1 million)?

Wanna know the really crazy part about this, though? It was none other than Jerry Jones who pushed the hardest for a salary cap in 1993 in an attempt to save a buck, and apparently didn't have the foresight to see how difficult it was going be for him to build future teams.

 

[acr731]

I hate the salary cap era. It's truly lowered the NFL from the mid-90's and earlier. The whole thing's just not as good. All about the money. Huge turnoff.

Those of us who were fans back then know who to blame for getting the salary cap era started. It was Jerry.