It isn't your money

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acr731 said:
How do you figure the league is not in their favor? Do you realize Dak makes more per season than the entire 1995 salary cap (37.1 million)?

Wanna know the really crazy part about this, though? It was none other than Jerry Jones who pushed the hardest for a salary cap in 1993 in an attempt to save a buck, and apparently didn't have the foresight to see how difficult it was going be for him to build future teams.
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Jumbo075 said:
NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.
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Like it or not, the salary cap is the reason people talk about it. Why would anyone care otherwise? Teams can manipulate it, but they can't ignore it completely. Otherwise we'd see stacked teams like back in the 80s. People talk about it, not because they care how much a player makes, but how it impacts the cap and team.
 
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Diehardblues said:
While id agree with the premise of this thought , I’d present that most fans care because the contracts matter when it comes to managing Salary Caps which can impact the roster teams build .

And that can translate to the quality of teams they build and the success of that team. Beyond that I don’t think most fans would care. Besides those who are envious or jealous of anyone who makes more or lives a more prosperous life.

Most don’t care that an actor can make 50 million for a movie or a rockstar earns hundreds of millions in a tour. Probably because it’s not preventing a stronger supporting cast.
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I can’t speak for everyone but for myself if there was no salary cap I wouldn’t think twice about what the players make. Back in the pre salary cap days, 70’s and 80’s, I never knew what any player made. Didn’t care. I have no idea what Danny White or Roger Staubach made. I remember Hershel Walker was a highly paid player but I couldn’t tell you how much more he made than Dorsett. It didn’t matter to the team.
 
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Aren’t you the poster that didn’t want to dwell on past difficulties of the team? So you just want to talk about rainbows and unicorns and ignore the facts?
 
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plymkr said:
I can’t speak for everyone but for myself if there was no salary cap I wouldn’t think twice about what the players make. Back in the pre salary cap days, 70’s and 80’s, I never knew what any player made. Didn’t care. I have no idea what Danny White or Roger Staubach made. I remember Hershel Walker was a highly paid player but I couldn’t tell you how much more he made than Dorsett. It didn’t matter to the team.
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Roger only made $160,000 in his final year. Danny's final contract in 1984 was $550,000.
 
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acr731 said:
Roger only made $160,000 in his final year. Danny's final contract in 1984 was $550,000.
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Wow, did not know that. I wonder how much that would be in today’s money with inflation.
 
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acr731 said:
Not our money? Really? Without fans and the outrageous ticket, parking, and concession prices WE pay, greedy fools like Dak, Micah, and CeeDee aren't having conversations about setting all time high markets at their positions. No, it isn't fair that those three stand to make so much more than past players. The issue some of us fans have is that these greedy players want to get paid without earning it. They demand top dollar just for showing up, and then they thank the fans by giving up in playoff games.

Those names from the past you mentioned had the passion and desire to win. The current group doesn't give a damn about anything but their bank account balances.
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It is also way more than most of todays nfl players.
If jerry paid dak and cd and micah what they want, market +, 60+35+35=130 mil ! how much of the current cap is that? % wise.
I think cap is around 275-280 mil So they will take up over 1/3 of the cap. Is that fair to the other players on the team? I dont think so.

Back in 60's -90's, I never knew how much players made.
Then in late 90's they the nfl and guys like jerry let it be know what key players made, and now days you can find out what all of them make,
and the nfl and jerry cant wait to say what they just paid in a big contract !

They think it stirs interest, and makes people like those player more but I think it is starting to have the opposite effect.

It isnt my $ sure I know that but it is getting ridiculous how much some of these quys are getting
 
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Jumbo075 said:
NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.
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I think most of us know it isnt our money. but there are other reasons why we dont like it.
 
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FanofJerry said:
You're avoiding supply and demand.

And...that the NFL doesn't have a system set up for compensating players based on their contribution after a Super Bowl victory.

NFL is compensation is designed for drafting a player you think can play. And then...come Second contract...paying him on future worth in regards to salary cap.

Paying a player afterwards isn't how this is played. Why do you keep talking about this opinion that isn't "reality". As your username suggests.

You're playing a different game than real gms have to play....it's not fair or worth talking about.

Provide your correcting measures or don't talk about non- reality
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Yet another thread where you confuse "reality" with "opinion".

I can see why you think the Cowboys should continue doing things just like they have for the last 29 years of avoiding Super Bowls because that does seem to be the goal.

At some point, when you stick your hand in the boiling water, you have to realize it's probably a bad decision to do it. Of course you can keep doing it because that's what everyone else does if you prefer it.

As I have said every time you come to defend the players, I have no issues with players making whatever the money they can in their short careers, and if the Cowboys had won a couple of Super Bowls this century then I would be all for rinsing-and-repeating the winning formulas.

The truth is the Cowboys have not won a Super Bowl or even sniffed the Super Bowl in the last 29 years, so it is past time to stop making the same mistakes by paying a few players so much money they cannot field a winning team around them.

It has nothing to do with "are they worth it". They are worth it, but not to a team with 29 years of failed seasons. Let some other team that is one or two players away from a Super Bowl run sign them to whatever large contract they can get with them.

It's time to stop being lemmings and start trying new tactics.

By all means though, continue doing things the same way. Maybe we will all still be alive in 21 years to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the last Cowboys Super Bowl.
 
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Any fan that went through the dismantling of the SB teams of the 90's has a right to be concerned about the CAP. Yes, many teams have learned how to manipulate the CAP and still field a SB team. Unfortunately, in the last 28 years, the Cowboys FO have not.
 
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