Rampage;1778615 said:
that's cause statboy keeps saying he only gave up 4 catches for 24 yards against shockey.
It was four for 23.
i'm saying he also gave up a 23 yard completion to toomer.
That completion was against Burnett. Luckily, Roy read the play early and prevented it from being a big gain.
roy hesitated in his zone the same way he did on the cooley td. i'm right about the toomer completion
You're wrong. Toomer's catch didn't come in Roy's zone, it came in Burnett's zone. Roy was playing the deep zone on the right side (defense's right, offense's left). Toomer didn't continue up the seam into Roy's zone, like Cooley did. Toomer ran a 15-yard in across the middle, right behind Burnett, and caught the ball at the left hash (defense's left, offense's right). What kind of zone coverage would ask the right-side safety to leave his deep zone and cross over to the intermediate zone on the other side to break up a pass right behind the middle linebacker, when he's got another receiver on his side running a deep route into his zone? Roy read the play and made the tackle, but the catch certainly wasn't against him.
Here's the Giants' pre-snap alignment --
^--- They have two wide receivers and a tight end to the defense's right, one wide receiver to the defense's left and a back to the left of the quarterback (from the defense's viewpoint).
We have five defenders at the line, one linebacker in the middle and Newman in the slot. The four outside guys at the line rush the passer, and the nose tackle (Ratliff) drops off and picks up the running back in the left flat.
Here's three seconds after the snap --
^--- You can see Ratliff covering the back (he's on the superimposed "3rd") in the left flat and Newman at the top on our 44, waiting to see if Shockey releases into the flat.
Going back to immediately after the snap, here's the positioning of Newman, Roy and Burnett --
^--- Burnett is in the middle, shaded toward the tight end's side of the line. Roy is in his deep half, well outside the right hashmarks. Newman is in the right flat, set to jam Toomer coming off the line.
Manning has time in the pocket, letting the receivers run longer routes. Sinorice Moss, the outside receiver on the right, runs a deep in/post past Henry. Toomer runs a deep in and crosses to the other side of the field. On the left side against Reeves, Burress runs a deep hook.
Now let's look at where Toomer catches the ball --
^--- Toomer catches the ball clear over the on left hasmarks, not on Roy's half of the field. Notice where Sinorice Moss is in the upper right -- in Roy's deep zone, with Henry in a trailing position (as he should be in zone coverage with a deep safety). Notice Hamlin in the lower right by the "0" in "40." Burress' route pulled him up out of the deep zone, meaning that Toomer would have had a lot of open field if Roy hadn't made the tackle. And there's Reeves at the very bottom around the 40-yard line, covering Burress (who is off the screen).
Now notice Burnett (in the middle of the photo, with his foot on the first-down line). He's 5 yards in front of Toomer, which allowed Manning to throw the ball right over his head. He actually took a step forward as Toomer crossed behind him, which made it an even easier throw. There is no receiver running underneath to keep him from getting a proper drop. He just doesn't drop far enough, and Toomer is able to get behind him for the catch. If you want to see how he should have played it, watch Ayodele earlier in the quarter against Shockey, or Roy against McCardell late in the third quarter against the Commanders or Ware against Cooley early in the fourth quarter. All of them got great depth on their drops (14-15 yards) and were either able to knock the ball away or force a difficult pass that fell incomplete. When you're too shallow, it makes for an easy completion right over your head.
Now let's pretend that Roy was supposed to be where Toomer is in time to break up the pass. I don't have PhotoShop, so this MS Paint beauty will have to suffice --
^--- Wow. Who's covering Sinorice Moss deep over the middle? Who's zone is he in? How could Roy blow that coverage???
Yeah, let's expect Roy to be two places at once, 15 yards apart, no matter where his zone actually is.
