It Time For The RKG's To Pay Some Dividends!

[cml750]

The biggest problem with Garrett is his complete and utter lack of game / clock management skills that has directly led us to losing at least two games a season the last three years. If he had even the slightest clue how to manage a clock we would have at least 10 - 6 records and made the playoffs instead of losing win or go home games to division rivals the last game of the regular season. That is inexcusable to me for someone who has been around football his whole life. I have no problem with the personnel we have assembled during his tenure. I do question his motivational skills since we have lost win or go home games to end the last three seasons but if he had even the slightest game / clock management skills we would of had meaningless games to play the last game of the season.

 

[daveferr33]

However, I think both groups of posters realize that this is probably Garrett's last shot this year. If we do not make the playoffs after Garrett being the Head Coach for almost 5 seasons, it will be almost impossible for Jerry to give Jason an extension. Even if he wants to, it will almost be impossible from a public relations aspect to reward failure.

if somebody disagrees, name me one head coach in the NFL that after almost 5 consecutive seasons of no playoffs was rewarded with an extension by the same team. And I am talking modern times in the last 20 years or so, not what some coach back in 1960 got.

I cant think of anybody myself, can anybody else? 5 straight seasons without a playoff appearance and was given a new contract by the same team within the last 20 seasons.

I think Garrett gets an extension regardless of the outcome this season. I can't point to a similar situation, but that has always been the case with how the Cowboys are run.

The Jones family is just too cozy with Garrett. The family is getting more and more entrenched with each passing day. The more entrenched they get, the harder it will be to remove the coach who would allow his team to principally be run by amateurs and hobbyists. I think Garrett's the coach at least until Jerry steps down.

 

[DFWJC]

I doubt Demarcus Lawrence would fall into the original thoughts of what an "RKG" is. Maybe they are being more flexible?

 

[Coy]

Kubiak's probably the closest with an extension averaging below .500 after four seasons and then surviving 6-10 the season after that before going 10-6 and then 12-4.

At least with him you could see improvements on the field (wins and losses) year by year, from 6-10 in year 1 to 9-7 in year 4 before he got his extension, it´s important to point out that in his tenure his QB´s were, David Carr, Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub, not exactly HOF’s.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

The biggest problem with Garrett is his complete and utter lack of game / clock management skills that has directly led us to losing at least two games a season the last three years. If he had even the slightest clue how to manage a clock we would have at least 10 - 6 records and made the playoffs instead of losing win or go home games to division rivals the last game of the regular season. That is inexcusable to me for someone who has been around football his whole life. I have no problem with the personnel we have assembled during his tenure. I do question his motivational skills since we have lost win or go home games to end the last three seasons but if he had even the slightest game / clock management skills we would of had meaningless games to play the last game of the season.

Excellent post IMO.

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[Idgit]

At least with him you could see improvements on the field (wins and losses) year by year, from 6-10 in year 1 to 9-7 in year 4 before he got his extension, it´s important to point out that in his tenure his QB´s were, David Carr, Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub, not exactly HOF’s.

I wasn't directly comparing them, but he'd asked the question.

But, for the record, here's the finishes in question:

HOU 2006 6 10 0 .375 4th in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2007 8 8 0 .500 4th in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2008 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2009 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2010 6 10 0 .375 3rd in AFC South

So, below .500 after 5 straight seasons. And that's with Matt Schaub from 2007 on. And, honestly, we shouldn't really be giving either guys passes for the quality of their respective rosters (eg, Garrett's three bottom-5 defensive finishes). That's the justification for giving both of them additional time in the first place, right?

 

[Idgit]

Excellent post IMO.

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Except that it is literally said about every single coach in a close-but-no-cigar situation, ever. There are always situations where a coach or a player's decision can be second guessed. That's not the same thing as saying he's responsible entirely for a given loss.

 

[ShiningStar]

RKG has become my most-hated Garrett term. It rates just above "process".

its a process to process the correct right kind of guys, or just average guys. I think our scouts get the two confused sometimes. its a process.

 

[cml750]

Except that it is literally said about every single coach in a close-but-no-cigar situation, ever. There are always situations where a coach or a player's decision can be second guessed. That's not the same thing as saying he's responsible entirely for a given loss.

Every coach makes a mistake now and then. They usually learn from their mistakes. The ones who show a pattern of it to the point that the owner / GM actually makes a comment about like Jerry did about Garrett do not not normally stay employed very long unless they happen to be Jerry's pet project.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Kubiak's probably the closest with an extension averaging below .500 after four seasons and then surviving 6-10 the season after that before going 10-6 and then 12-4.

Yea, I think you are right. Kubiak's probably the closest comparison.

Who knows what Jerry is going to do, he may not care about the fan backlash of giving Garrett an extension with no playoffs. He may see the reasons for losing as not related to Garrett while I am sure others will see it as rewarding failure.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think Garrett gets an extension regardless of the outcome this season. I can't point to a similar situation, but that has always been the case with how the Cowboys are run.

The Jones family is just too cozy with Garrett. The family is getting more and more entrenched with each passing day. The more entrenched they get, the harder it will be to remove the coach who would allow his team to principally be run by amateurs and hobbyists. I think Garrett's the coach at least until Jerry steps down.

You may be right.

If Jerry wants a big name head coach to come in here, he is going to have to give up more control than he has now. Jerry may not want to do that, so I could very well see Jerry sticking with Garrett even if we don't make the playoffs.

I don't agree with it, but I could see it happening.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

This will be year 4 1/2 into the PROCESS. Another draft acquiring the RKG's. We've been hearing about what is being built and its the foundation for long term success and stability. The same Foreman (HC) has been at the helm but this foundation is being built by a new group of workers (Asst Coaches & Coordinators) seemingly every year.

Is there any realistic hope that we will see some significant improvement this upcoming season? Will these RKG's pay some dividends?

Its time. Its time for some gains.

It's a process, ...and you're onto something. This has a chance to work, albeit now or never....there should be improvement...you are talking myself into 9-7!

 

[jnday]

I can live with thugs on the team as long as they can play ball. They need a nasty attitude on this team anyway.

 

[DenCWBY]

The 49ers have replaced the Pats with their draft day moves. I hate that team, but I am jealous of what they are doing. They are the best run team in the league over the last couple of years IMO. Their GM is great. He goes after players that fits their schemes and the have a big, fast, physical team that sys nasty football, kinda like the 90's Cowboys.

This as well as an effective HC.

 

[cml750]

You may be right.

If Jerry wants a big name head coach to come in here, he is going to have to give up more control than he has now. Jerry may not want to do that, so I could very well see Jerry sticking with Garrett even if we don't make the playoffs.

I don't agree with it, but I could see it happening.

Beast, I have already resigned to the fact we are stuck with Garrett for thr long haul. Jerry already ceded power to get his Taj Mahal. Now that he has it and fans still keep spending money, he will use that to justify keeping Garrett around. I used to believe he was all about winning, now I believe he would rather lose with Garrett than cede any power ever again.

 

[Coy]

I wasn't directly comparing them, but he'd asked the question.

But, for the record, here's the finishes in question:

HOU 2006 6 10 0 .375 4th in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2007 8 8 0 .500 4th in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2008 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2009 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC South – – – –
HOU 2010 6 10 0 .375 3rd in AFC South

So, below .500 after 5 straight seasons. And that's with Matt Schaub from 2007 on. And, honestly, we shouldn't really be giving either guys passes for the quality of their respective rosters (eg, Garrett's three bottom-5 defensive finishes). That's the justification for giving both of them additional time in the first place, right?

We were talking about when they gave hime the extension, that was after year 4 (9-7 season).
For the record, in no way am I giving him/them a pass ( don't like Kubiak by the way) , just making a comment on him at least putting more wins on the board year by year (except one year when he finished with the same record).
As for Romo vs the Texans QB's, I thought it was important to mention who the most important player on the team was in each of their tenures. Anyway, I agree with beast from east, if he doesn't get us to the playoffs he's outta here or at least he should be.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Jerry wants a big name head coach to come in here

I don't expect that to happen until we need a new stadium.

 

[cml750]

I don't expect that to happen until we need a new stadium.

Unfortunately you are probably right.

 

[dstovall5]

I actually think we've drafted well this past 4 years, RKG or not, the problem with Garrett is that he is just a bad HC no if's or but's about it. He could maybe be a good GM but as a HC he is clearly not, I really think this is his last year with the Cowboys, if i'm wrong it would probably mean we made the playoffs so I wouldn't be too mad about it.

A HC with terrible game management skills is never a good thing to have, another year of no playoffs hopefully means we move on, though I'd rather us just win and not have to make a decision on it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I don't expect that to happen until we need a new stadium.

Unfortunately, I think you are correct.