It was one pick, not armageddon!

[BulletBob]

I guess I knew there would be a meltdown on the board by a good chunk of the population. I understand the argument against taking a RB that high in the draft, and I'm still not sure about how I feel overall about it.

But ...

To those of you arguing that we should have used the pick on defense, here's what I'm not able to wrap my head around. I do indeed understand that we need to shore up our defense.

This was only one pick.

Yes, it was the highest we've picked in years. But let me ask you a question: would a Jalen Ramsey or DeForrest Buckner have really improved our defense that dramatically this year?

I think if we took all of our remaining picks and spent them on offense, our defense would probably be in about the same shape as we were heading into 2014. Right? We might be a shade better at the safety position with Byron Jones, and maybe Cedric Thornton improves the line a little, but for the most part, it would be a wash .

So, lets say even if we quit the 2016 draft right now, ruling out any health issues, we're pretty much at the same talent level on defense, and maybe a bit better on offense than the 2014 team we fielded that made it to the playoffs.

But here's the thing ...

We still have 8 (?) more picks to improve our defense. And there are some pretty talented players left on the board.

I guess what I'm saying is, in the big picture, why don't we wait and see how the rest of the draft pans out before we decry that our defense is going to drag us down to the abyss in 2016.

The way I see it, we're probably a bit better (on paper) talent-wise than we were heading into 2014 ... and we have several draft picks ahead of us that could really tip the scale pretty heavily in our direction!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

People asking if Jalen would improve our defense this year are missing the forest for all the trees.

If you're making decisions in the draft thinking only about this year. Well you wouldn't be making decisions very long.

Unless you own the team like Jerry Jones does. Sigh.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It shows the incompetence of our organization and just the complete lack of forward thinking.

And let's face facts, the days of Jerry actually wheeling and dealing and fleecing a team in a trade int he draft and having the Cowboys come out on top are long gone. I guess business has changed because his negotiation skills are a joke.

We took a Big-10 RB in an Urban Meyer system with not nearly the athleticism and explosiveness of Adrian Peterson 4th overall when Peterson was taken 7th overall. We were supposedly offered a trade with the Ravens that we didn't take. Jerry trying to claim the Ravens were taking EE is nonsense. They had no reason to pick him up when they had been looking at Stanley, Tunsil and Ramsey all along. So we could have traded down, still gotten EE and then used that trade down to then trade up and get Lynch.

Meanwhile, we missed in what Mike Mayock called a 'once in a generation defensive back' on a team that desperately needs DB's. And as far as Mayock goes, he's got a great track record with judging DB's (likely because he was a former CB himself).

We'll go 8-8 again and move to 17th in the draft and Romo will eventually have to retire and we'll be stuck trying to find a replacement with the 17th overall pick that has to start right away. So then we'll give up the farm to move up the draft to hopefully get a QB that can play.




YR

 

[YosemiteSam]

People asking if Jalen would improve our defense this year are missing the forest for all the trees.

If you're making decisions in the draft thinking only about this year. Well you wouldn't be making decisions very long.

Unless you own the team like Jerry Jones does. Sigh.

Ramsey wouldn't have helped this team very much without a pass rush. Actually, I'm not sure he is going to help much any team. I question his ability to actually play the game at a high level in the NFL.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

People asking if Jalen would improve our defense this year are missing the forest for all the trees.

If you're making decisions in the draft thinking only about this year. Well you wouldn't be making decisions very long.

Unless you own the team like Jerry Jones does. Sigh.

Yup. And that is what this draft was all about. Thinking we are just that 1 player from winning the Super Bowl with Romo. Never considering the future of the team.

This was a Garrett based decision. Most coaches always think about winning right now. You need a GM that counters that by planning for the future.





YR

 

[erod]

Thank you.

The naysayers act like #4 could have gotten two defensive ends, a corner, a safety, and a middle linebacker.

It's one dude. Dallas has more picks. Spence, Jack, Ogbah, Dodd, Robinson, Reed, Bullard, Ragland......they're all there. Thornton was signed, Scandrick is back.

Elliott made defense easier for the defense. He made offense easier for the offense. He's a godsend for Dez and Romo.

It was the right pick. Period.

 

[rick2248]

I guess I knew there would be a meltdown on the board by a good chunk of the population. I understand the argument against taking a RB that high in the draft, and I'm still not sure about how I feel overall about it.

But ...

To those of you arguing that we should have used the pick on defense, here's what I'm not able to wrap my head around. I do indeed understand that we need to shore up our defense.

This was only one pick.

Yes, it was the highest we've picked in years. But let me ask you a question: would a Jalen Ramsey or DeForrest Buckner have really improved our defense that dramatically this year?

I think if we took all of our remaining picks and spent them on offense, our defense would probably be in about the same shape as we were heading into 2014. Right? We might be a shade better at the safety position with Byron Jones, and maybe Cedric Thornton improves the line a little, but for the most part, it would be a wash .

So, lets say even if we quit the 2016 draft right now, ruling out any health issues, we're pretty much at the same talent level on defense, and maybe a bit better on offense than the 2014 team we fielded that made it to the playoffs.

But here's the thing ...

We still have 8 (?) more picks to improve our defense. And there are some pretty talented players left on the board.

I guess what I'm saying is, in the big picture, why don't we wait and see how the rest of the draft pans out before we decry that our defense is going to drag us down to the abyss in 2016.

The way I see it, we're probably a bit better (on paper) talent-wise than we were heading into 2014 ... and we have several draft picks ahead of us that could really tip the scale pretty heavily in our direction!

I like the pick !

 

[theebs]

Yup. And that is what this draft was all about. Thinking we are just that 1 player from winning the Super Bowl with Romo. Never considering the future of the team.

This was a Garrett based decision. Most coaches always think about winning right now. You need a GM that counters that by planning for the future.





YR

What? Elliot is only playing one year?

all this complaining. this team is going to take ogbah or dodd at 34, I have read they like the end from Montana also.

when the suspensions are over in October this team could be 5 deep at defensive end and they are all young and terrific athletes.
we can be four deep at dt and we have three young linebackers behind lee, mcclain and Wilber.

the idea that this defense is like the 2013 one is incorrect. We have 8 picks left plus they are trying to move leary.

t

 

[BulletBob]

It shows the incompetence of our organization and just the complete lack of forward thinking.

And let's face facts, the days of Jerry actually wheeling and dealing and fleecing a team in a trade int he draft and having the Cowboys come out on top are long gone. I guess business has changed because his negotiation skills are a joke.

We took a Big-10 RB in an Urban Meyer system with not nearly the athleticism and explosiveness of Adrian Peterson 4th overall when Peterson was taken 7th overall. We were supposedly offered a trade with the Ravens that we didn't take. Jerry trying to claim the Ravens were taking EE is nonsense. They had no reason to pick him up when they had been looking at Stanley, Tunsil and Ramsey all along. So we could have traded down, still gotten EE and then used that trade down to then trade up and get Lynch.

Meanwhile, we missed in what Mike Mayock called a 'once in a generation defensive back' on a team that desperately needs DB's. And as far as Mayock goes, he's got a great track record with judging DB's (likely because he was a former CB himself).

We'll go 8-8 again and move to 17th in the draft and Romo will eventually have to retire and we'll be stuck trying to find a replacement with the 17th overall pick that has to start right away. So then we'll give up the farm to move up the draft to hopefully get a QB that can play.




YR

I usually agree with most of your posts, YR. But I really think this is too laser-focused on one pick. I'm not sure Jalen Ramsey will be a "once in a generation pick" (nor are you, nor is Mayock).

With regard to the Ravens, why would Jerry outright lie about them wanting to pick EE? It's something that could be easily checked.

As far as QB goes, they did try to trade up into the first to get Paxton Lynch. But I agree that we may be in a world of hurt looking for Romo's replacement. The pick of EE doesn't change that (unless you wanted Lynch at 4 or to move up to #1 or #2 to get Goff or Wentz).

Just trying to get folks to consider another (broader) perspective. In my opinion, we're on par right now (on paper) with the 2014 team (assuming everyone stays healthy), maybe even a little better.

And we've still got the majority of the picks ahead of us.

 

[Ken]

I agree...that is why I didn't feel great about taking Ramsey when it was rumored he was #1 on our board.

All the "experts" say he is better as a safety but to me....Karl Joseph is the best safety in the draft and it isn't close

 

[big dog cowboy]

We'll go 8-8 again

Unlikely.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I usually agree with most of your posts, YR. But I really think this is too laser-focused on one pick. I'm not sure Jalen Ramsey will be a "once in a generation pick" (nor are you, nor is Mayock).

With regard to the Ravens, why would Jerry outright lie about them wanting to pick EE? It's something that could be easily checked.

As far as QB goes, they did try to trade up into the first to get Paxton Lynch. But I agree that we may be in a world of hurt looking for Romo's replacement. The pick of EE doesn't change that (unless you wanted Lynch at 4 or to move up to #1 or #2 to get Goff or Wentz).

Just trying to get folks to consider another (broader) perspective. In my opinion, we're on par right now (on paper) with the 2014 team (assuming everyone stays healthy), maybe even a little better.

And we've still got the majority of the picks ahead of us.

Jerry isn't known for telling the truth.

There's no way the Ravens were interested in drafting EE that high.

At best, they may have told him that while really wanting Ramsey (who they interviewed heavily) in fear that the Cowboys wanted Ramsey.

Jerry got played if that was the case. Nothing new.





YR

 

[theebs]

I agree...that is why I didn't feel great about taking Ramsey when it was rumored he was #1 on our board.

All the "experts" say he is better as a safety but to me....Karl Joseph is the best safety in the draft and it isn't close

Brad Sham said it last night, Dallas viewed ramsey at safety. They were not going to take a safety there apparently.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Unlikely.

Okay, 7-9. Can't wait to see Garrett clapping.





YR

 

[DFWJC]

It is one pick, and I do think Zeke will be really good.

But the 4th overall pick really is not just any old "one" pick.

Just pull out any draft chart for at least some perspective.
The value of the 4th overall pick is worth all of the rest of this year's Dallas picks and some of next year's ...combined

 

[tyke1doe]

People asking if Jalen would improve our defense this year are missing the forest for all the trees.

If you're making decisions in the draft thinking only about this year. Well you wouldn't be making decisions very long.

Unless you own the team like Jerry Jones does. Sigh.

So the NFL isn't holding drafts anymore?

This is the ONLY draft we'll be able to take players in?

No, we're not missing the big picture. Players come and go. We make good picks, we make bad picks.

We rebound the next draft.

They'll be another Jalen Ramsey or DeForest Buckner in future drafts.

Some of you act as if the Cowboys are forever doomed because they didn't take this player or that player.

We'll survive and have another chance to get better in subsequent drafts whether Ezekiel Elliott becomes another Emmitt Smith or not.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Thank you.

The naysayers act like #4 could have gotten two defensive ends, a corner, a safety, and a middle linebacker.

It's one dude. Dallas has more picks. Spence, Jack, Ogbah, Dodd, Robinson, Reed, Bullard, Ragland......they're all there. Thornton was signed, Scandrick is back.

Elliott made defense easier for the defense. He made offense easier for the offense. He's a godsend for Dez and Romo.

It was the right pick. Period.

How did EE make defense easier? We ran for 4.6 ypc last year with no qb and no wr. We held the ball for only 1 minute fewer on offense last year than in 2014 with no qb and no wr.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

 

[BulletBob]

It is one pick, and I do think Zeke will be really good.

But the 4th overall pick really is not just any old "one" pick.

Just pull out any draft chart for at least some perspective.
The value of the 4th overall pick is worth all of the rest of this year's Dallas picks and some of next year's ...combined

I understand.

I'm just saying that some are determining the value of the entire draft and the team's future on this one pick.

There are still some very good players on the board. Let's see how things shake out before we declare: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So the NFL isn't holding drafts anymore?

This is the ONLY draft we'll be able to take players in?

No, we're not missing the big picture. Players come and go. We make good picks, we make bad picks.

We rebound the next draft.

They'll be another Jalen Ramsey or DeForest Buckner in future drafts.

Some of you act as if the Cowboys are forever doomed because they didn't take this player or that player.

We'll survive and have another chance to get better in subsequent drafts whether Ezekiel Elliott becomes another Emmitt Smith or not.

Let's excuse bad decisions because there are future decisions to be made. That doesn't sound like a smart thing to do.

 

[Sandyf]

It is amazing that as fans we believe we know what is best. You have to wonder where the comments will be if Ramsey is a bust or moved to safety after one year and if Buckner doesn't pan out. If the sources are right that the Cowboys had Elliott and Ramsey with the same draft grade and both at the very top of their board then you should understand the pick. As to trading down with Baltimore, they came out this morning and said they did try to trade up to #4 and their pick was not going to be Ramsey but Elliott. How about them apples?