It was one pick, not armageddon!

erod

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How did EE make defense easier? We ran for 4.6 ypc last year with no qb and no wr. We held the ball for only 1 minute fewer on offense last year than in 2014 with no qb and no wr.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

Is it easier to play defense when you're ahead?

We had a ton of turnovers in 2014 with the same dudes on defense. Why? Because we were ahead, and teams had to take chances.

Meaningless ypc stats at the end of games when we're losing 31-10 don't mean anything.
 

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How did EE make defense easier? We ran for 4.6 ypc last year with no qb and no wr. We held the ball for only 1 minute fewer on offense last year than in 2014 with no qb and no wr.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

In my opinion, a healthy Romo, and a much more talented RB will help the defense by scoring more points.

In my opinion, a defense plays better with a lead, and much better with a significant lead (and that may even be a fact).

I don't even agree with the pick - however, I do think that the value adding a dynamic player to the offense (if this kid turns out to be everything they say he is) is not isolated to one side of the team.
 

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Is it easier to play defense when you're ahead?

We had a ton of turnovers in 2014 with the same dudes on defense. Why? Because we were ahead, and teams had to take chances.

Meaningless ypc stats at the end of games when we're losing 31-10 don't mean anything.

How many games did you watch the Cowboys play last year? 9 of our 12 losses were by 10 points or fewer.

You are entitled to your own opinion. But not your own facts.
 

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Elliott was not the pick I wanted but I guess I see the upside with the move. I do think this kid is very talented and should be able to help this team out quite a bit not only short term but long term. I would have loved getting a QB out of this draft but not at all cost, yes moving back into the 1st would have been great and frankly what Dallas offered I think was a good offer for them to make without going overboard. In terms of defense I still see a lot of quality DL players remaining in this draft and as I mentioned Dallas worked out a lot of QB leading up to the draft and if they feel good about one of them then take him.
 

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It is amazing that as fans we believe we know what is best. You have to wonder where the comments will be if Ramsey is a bust or moved to safety after one year and if Buckner doesn't pan out. If the sources are right that the Cowboys had Elliott and Ramsey with the same draft grade and both at the very top of their board then you should understand the pick. As to trading down with Baltimore, they came out this morning and said they did try to trade up to #4 and their pick was not going to be Ramsey but Elliott. How about them apples?

No, no, no - "Jerry always lies" and "No team would be stupid enough to trade up to #4 to take Elliot."
 

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How many games did you watch the Cowboys play last year? 9 of our 12 losses were by 10 points or fewer.

You are entitled to your own opinion. But not your own facts.

Huh? How many games did Dallas have double-digit leads? It happened quite often in 2014.

The Cowboys weren't going to score, and teams knew it, so they took very few chances. It's hard to get turnovers and make plays defensively when the other team is playing conservatively.

Cowboys points per game in 2014: 29.2 (7th in the league)
Cowboys points per game in 2015: 17.1 (31st in the league)


There's the only "fact" you need.
 

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Let's excuse bad decisions because there are future decisions to be made. That doesn't sound like a smart thing to do.

And let's make definitive statements about the selection of Ezekiel Elliott at #4 as a "bad decision" when we can't see the future of Ezekiel Elliott or all the other players we passed up to take him. That doesn't sound like a smart thing to do either. ;)
 

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We got the best player to help us win now as well as the future....and some don't like it....well, you all will live...especially after we get some very good defensive players in the next few rounds.
 

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Okay, 7-9. Can't wait to see Garrett clapping.





YR

Yep, this was an our coach is an idiot and can't win without Romo pick. I would have been fine with Elliot had we traded down for extra draft picks and then took him. There was no regard for the future with this pick and also no guarantees Elliot will be everything some say he will be. For the place we took him we need him to be a 1500 + yard / 10 + touchdowns a season back.
 

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We got the best player to help us win now as well as the future....and some don't like it....well, you all will live...especially after we get some very good defensive players in the next few rounds.

No, no, no, jazz. You didn't hear? We only get one pick. And even if we had more, the only good players are in the first round anyway.

And who wants the best running back in the draft? I got sick of watching Dorsett and Emmitt, and let the poor Rams and Vikings fans suffer through watching run plays.
 

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Yep, this was an our coach is an idiot and can't win without Romo pick. I would have been fine with Elliot had we traded down for extra draft picks and then took him. There was no regard for the future with this pick and also no guarantees Elliot will be everything some say he will be. For the place we took him we need him to be a 1500 + yard / 10 + touchdowns a season back.

Ramsey would have gotten you an interception or two a year. And the defense would still be average or worse for the next three years. Then you're looking for a QB.

And you couldn't have traded down and gotten Elliott. Baltimore admitted they were trading with us to take Elliott.
 

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Yep, this was an our coach is an idiot and can't win without Romo pick. I would have been fine with Elliot had we traded down for extra draft picks and then took him. There was no regard for the future with this pick and also no guarantees Elliot will be everything some say he will be. For the place we took him we need him to be a 1500 + yard / 10 + touchdowns a season back.

You assume Elliott would have been available. The Ravens were interested in Elliott and Ramsey. The Cowboys couldn't risk it because the Ravens could have taken Elliott, leaving Ramsey to the Jags.

So they picked the best player on their board. As far as Ezekiel's value, I'll let the Joneses worry about that. I don't have to juggle the salary cap.
 

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Huh? How many games did Dallas have double-digit leads? It happened quite often in 2014.

The Cowboys weren't going to score, and teams knew it, so they took very few chances. It's hard to get turnovers and make plays defensively when the other team is playing conservatively.

Cowboys points per game in 2014: 29.2 (7th in the league)
Cowboys points per game in 2015: 17.1 (31st in the league)


There's the only "fact" you need.

Not that I disagree with you but 2015 there was no Romo.

If we had Romo im confident we could've put more points on the board.
 

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People are justifying taking a RB at 4 as a move the helps Romo win now, but then you throw in the team's bargain-hunting free agent approach and efforts to move back into the 1st to draft Lynch, and it continues to show that if a Front Office that has no idea who this team is and what this team needs.

Also, I've never seen another team constantly try to justify their draft picks by saying so-and-so was about to draft him or was trying to trade up for him. They also like to talk about the player they tried to go get but couldn't. Why? It's like they know they are frauds and want to spin it. I hope teams will take it easy on our back-up QB because we really tried hard to get Lynch.
 

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And let's make definitive statements about the selection of Ezekiel Elliott at #4 as a "bad decision" when we can't see the future of Ezekiel Elliott or all the other players we passed up to take him. That doesn't sound like a smart thing to do either. ;)

Process over results.

EE could do great but that doesn't mean the decision to draft him was correct.
 

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People asking if Jalen would improve our defense this year are missing the forest for all the trees.

If you're making decisions in the draft thinking only about this year. Well you wouldn't be making decisions very long.

Unless you own the team like Jerry Jones does. Sigh.

I get what you're saying. Really hard to fault this pick. They had a lot of options. I like the Elliott pick. I don't see it as having less of a long-term affect than picking Ramsey. Sure, it should put us back to the level of our 2014 offense (if everyone stays healthy), but it helps in a lot of ways. One, it probably helps our defense more in the short-term than Ramsey/Bosa would've. Look at our 2014 roster. The defense was worse than our current defense is. It was awful. But our commitment to the running game hid their blemishes. Also, we're nearing the time to look for Romo's heir apparent. Our next young QB is gonna be very lucky having the best O-line in football protecting him and the ability to hand it off to a back like Elliott. And it could help extend the career of Tony Romo (our best chance of winning another Super Bowl) with Elliott's running and blocking abilities.

I agree the Ramsey pick seemed exciting. We'd have possibly the two most athletic DBs in the entire league in the same backfield. Our defense needs a lot of work. Ramsey would've been a step in the right direction but it wouldn't have made us an elite defense, maybe not even a very good one. Elliott makes our offense dominant tomorrow. This defense needs a lot of work. Hopefully we start addressing it the way we've been addressing our offense for years. Sure, the offense still needs some addressing - Romo's heir, Witten's heir, a #2 WR, and a RT - but no unit in the NFL is perfect and this unit is already one of the best. This defense needs a few years of work before it's anywhere close to what our offense is. Ramsey would've been a good move. It really was a matter of making our offense elite right now or putting our defense on the track to rebuilding.
 

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Yep, this was an our coach is an idiot and can't win without Romo pick. I would have been fine with Elliot had we traded down for extra draft picks and then took him. There was no regard for the future with this pick and also no guarantees Elliot will be everything some say he will be. For the place we took him we need him to be a 1500 + yard / 10 + touchdowns a season back.

Well the good thing is that RB's rarely get hurt and rarely see dips in their production.

:rolleyes:




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Huh? How many games did Dallas have double-digit leads? It happened quite often in 2014.

The Cowboys weren't going to score, and teams knew it, so they took very few chances. It's hard to get turnovers and make plays defensively when the other team is playing conservatively.

Cowboys points per game in 2014: 29.2 (7th in the league)
Cowboys points per game in 2015: 17.1 (31st in the league)


There's the only "fact" you need.

In 2014 we had the best QB in the NFL.
In 2015 we...ummm...how do I put this....did not.

Are you seriously saying that Murray was the biggest difference? That if only we had a Zeke type last year things would have been ok?

I'm trying to keep it real. You aren't even keeping it realistic.
 

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I get what you're saying. Really hard to fault this pick. They had a lot of options. I like the Elliott pick. I don't see it as having less of a long-term affect than picking Ramsey. Sure, it should put us back to the level of our 2014 offense (if everyone stays healthy), but it helps in a lot of ways. One, it probably helps our defense more in the short-term than Ramsey/Bosa would've. Look at our 2014 roster. The defense was worse than our current defense is. It was awful. But our commitment to the running game hid their blemishes. Also, we're nearing the time to look for Romo's heir apparent. Our next young QB is gonna be very lucky having the best O-line in football protecting him and the ability to hand it off to a back like Elliott. And it could help extend the career of Tony Romo (our best chance of winning another Super Bowl) with Elliott's running and blocking abilities.

I agree the Ramsey pick seemed exciting. We'd have possibly the two most athletic DBs in the entire league in the same backfield. Our defense needs a lot of work. Ramsey would've been a step in the right direction but it wouldn't have made us an elite defense, maybe not even a very good one. Elliott makes our offense dominant tomorrow. This defense needs a lot of work. Hopefully we start addressing it the way we've been addressing our offense for years. Sure, the offense still needs some addressing - Romo's heir, Witten's heir, a #2 WR, and a RT - but no unit in the NFL is perfect and this unit is already one of the best. This defense needs a few years of work before it's anywhere close to what our offense is. Ramsey would've been a good move. It really was a matter of making our offense elite right now or putting our defense on the track to rebuilding.

This idea that we don't have a good defense so we should spend it on offense to help the defense instead of trying to use premiurm resources on the defense is the height of stupidity.

Especially since it's not even true. There was a 1 minute differential in TOP for this team between 2014 and 2015. I bet 99% of that variation can be explained by not having number 9.

But by all means lets pretend it's because we didn't have Murray....a 3rd round rb.
 
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