its all on TO

[Bleu Star]

Nice try. Just let it go man.

ok.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

Do you really think Terrell Owens is the reason for our failures. Last time I checked, this team was ranked 3rd overall on Offense and that is no ambiguous stat either, we have put up points, and part of that is because of Terrell Owens.

Owens is extremely self-serving and down right drops balls from time to time, but we were having late season collapses way way before #81 and bag came on the scene.

Not to be degrading, but it is easier to blame Owens rather than blame Parcells, as if you blame Parcells, you would have to question the coaching staff, the players and the emotional investment we all placed on this teams for 4 years now.

- Mike G.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Do you really think Terrell Owens is the reason for our failures. Last time I checked, this team was ranked 3rd overall on Offense and that is no ambiguous stat either, we have put up points, and part of that is because of Terrell Owens.

Owens is extremely self-serving and down right drops balls from time to time, but we were having late season collapses way way before #81 and bag came on the scene.

Not to be degrading, but it is easier to blame Owens rather than blame Parcells, as if you blame Parcells, you would have to question the coaching staff, the players and the emotional investment we all placed on this teams for 4 years now.

- Mike G.

TO is not the only reason, however he is ONE of the reasons.

I bash on TO to an extent because I don't like him, I don't think he has lived up to the contract and I think he needs to take care of his own biz instead of whining and doing stupid stuff.

However as I said, he is not the only reason, but he is one of the reasons.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

TO is not the only reason, however he is ONE of the reasons.

I bash on TO to an extent because I don't like him, I don't think he has lived up to the contract and I think he needs to take care of his own biz instead of whining and doing stupid stuff.

However as I said, he is not the only reason, but he is one of the reasons.

Besides LTN, I would probably qualify as the biggest Anti-Me-Owens guy around.

I think decent game day play calling, a more creative approach to defensive schemes and better coaching is more to blame than Me-Owens.

Is Me-Owens part of the probably, unequivocally the answer is yes, but that goes for alot of people.

The point is, you can overcome Me-Owens very easily, but you cant overcome a banal defensive play book, inability to motivate and inept coaching on occassion. Now those things will do you in every time.

Heck, it is not Owens' fault Parcells didnt get his defense ready to stop the fullback until 4 touchdowns and 3 weeks later.

- Mike G.

 

[tyke1doe]

Because apparently BleuStar likes to argue meaningless points. Glenn has been OUTSTANDING for us all year long. He has made catch after acrobatic catch. So what if he misses one catch - that's bound to happen to even the best WR's. But TO has missed critical catch after critical catch ALL YEAR LONG. Last night he dropped no fewer than 3 VERY catchable balls - at least two of which would have made a very big difference inthe game. The Elias Sports Bureau - an independent agent - says he has dropped more balls than any other WR in the league.

Anyone who tries to argue that Glenn is no better than TO in this regard is simply arguing to hear himself argue. The statisics don't support it, the videotape doesn't support it, and anyone with an ounce of intelligence and personal integrity wouldn't either. Facts are facts.

For TO to come out after this game and, yet again, complain shows just how lacking in accountability he is. I never wanted him here, I don't want him here now, and I am THIS FAR from tossing the old "I told you so" into the mix. TO is only OK to have around if everything else is going perfectly. Otherwise, he's a pain in the butt who ought to shut his mouth and either have surgery or CATCH THE DAMN BALL.

I think the other thing that needs to be pointed out is that T.O. - not T.G. - is making $10 million this year.

Now, if he wants to get paid like T.G. then we'll excuse him for those critical drops.

But I doubt he's going to give back any money so we shouldn't relent on the criticism either.

 

[tyke1doe]

Hence the word perceived. You and I both know the media would not let TO get by without providing some media time. They feast off of it and as a star player, he has no choice but to sit there and give them time. It's simple pro sports procedure. It happens in basketball, baseball..etc

So what's the worst the media can say, "T.O. suddenly silent."

I'll take that kind of controversy every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[Bleu Star]

I think the other thing that needs to be pointed out is that T.O. - not T.G. - is making $10 million this year.

Now, if he wants to get paid like T.G. then we'll excuse him for those critical drops.

But I doubt he's going to give back any money so we shouldn't relent on the criticism either.

If you read that post I would also assume you read my reply to it on the bottom of page 1. Never have I cast TO as being better than TG or made any blind attempts to compare the two receivers. I Just wanted to make that crystal clear. People tend to not read posts in threads, see a quote from earlier, and run with it. Just setting the record straight before someone sees your post and decides to pile onto yours truly.

 

[Bleu Star]

So what's the worst the media can say, "T.O. suddenly silent."

I'll take that kind of controversy every day and twice on Sunday.

It'll never happen man. TO will never shy away from the requests for his presence and the media will never stop making said requests until he retires. My only hope is that we somehow learn how to get the ball into his hands quickly on some of his signature quick slants across the middle and let him improvise or else we're done come playoff time. How do you have a highlight reel consisting of quick slants taken to the house, bring the guy in, and make him run sideline flys. Let TG run the fly route and get the ball into TO's hands quickly before the double team has any chance to develop.

Teams have double teamed him his whole career and creative offenses in the past have found ways to exploit the double team by hitting him before the double team has any chance to develop. Watching this is sickening.

News flash for the OC: TG is more likely to get open on a deep fly route since the FS will always be shadowing Owens as soon as he hits that level.

 

[utrunner07]

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

I am sure a lot of people are bashing you but I completely agree. People need to realize that this is TO dropping things not Sam Hurd, TO was brought in to be the difference maker and is paid to be a difference maker, unfortunately it is the other teams that appear to be paying him. You are right on.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Never have I cast TO as being better than TG or made any blind attempts to compare the two receivers. I Just wanted to make that crystal clear. People tend to not read posts in threads, see a quote from earlier, and run with it. Just setting the record straight before someone sees your post and decides to pile onto yours truly.

Well, the third post in this thread was yours and it read

Glenn dropped 2 passes yesterday and complained to the media as well. Is it still all on TO? Hmmm...

Which is true but since TG has one fourth TO's drops and this is the first time he has spoken out this year (and on behalf of the entire O, not his own targets), the attempt to paint Terry with the brush Owens has earned did seem unfair.

 

[Bleu Star]

Well, the third post in this thread was yours and it read

Glenn dropped 2 passes yesterday and complained to the media as well. Is it still all on TO? Hmmm...

Which is true but since TG has one fourth TO's drops and this is the first time he has spoken out this year (and on behalf of the entire O, not his own targets), the attempt to paint Terry with the brush Owens has earned did seem unfair.

Apples and oranges. I was simply pointing out that "another receiver besides TO dropped a pass and complained vocally to the media". It's quite obvious to me that I was not comparing the quality of one receiver to another. That's juvenile. They're both great receivers. My point was strictly to counter the 1st post in this thread which stated:

we thought he would make big catches...in every big game besides NO he has dropped a big catch deep down field
Philly
NYGints - had a big 3rd down catch he dropped
The Skins
Last night..

pretty simple catches that would have probably won us the game, he needs to shutup...no one wants his act anymore...the cowboys are tired of it especially after yesterday...

See the difference? I never said TO was better than Glenn. I simply stated TO wasn't the only one dropping passes yesterday.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Apples and oranges. I was simply pointing out that "another receiver besides TO dropped a pass and complained vocally to the media". It's quite obvious to me that I was not comparing the quality of one receiver to another. That's juvenile. They're both great receivers. My point was strictly to counter the 1st post in this thread which stated:



See the difference? I never said TO was better than Owens. I simply stated TO wasn't the only one dropping passes yesterday.

Aren't TO and owens the same guy? Just ribbing you, I know you meant TG

 

[Bleu Star]

Aren't TO and owens the same guy? Just ribbing you, I know you meant TG

Fixed just for you.

 

[GTaylor]

Quick question to anyone who may know.

I know T.O.'s contract was essentially a series of 1 year deals, but is there any date at which we will know if he is going to stay or go?

Is there a bonus in March that he is due?

Just curious - I want to stay out of the debate.

I believe the next 2 year bonuses are in March. And if we're lucky this idiot will be kicked to the curb and become someone else's problem.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Apples and oranges. I was simply pointing out that "another receiver besides TO dropped a pass and complained vocally to the media". It's quite obvious to me that I was not comparing the quality of one receiver to another. That's juvenile. They're both great receivers. My point was strictly to counter the 1st post in this thread which stated:

Yeah, but 'countering' TO with TG isn't the way to go. That first post was about dropping a big pass in several big games this year, and TG has not done that. Neither has he run his mouth game after game about not being 'involved'.

It's clear enough you tried to get the heat off TO and on TG.

Unwisely.

 

[Bleu Star]

Yeah, but 'countering' TO with TG isn't the way to go. That first post was about dropping a big pass in several big games this year, and TG has not done that. Neither has he run his mouth game after game about not being 'involved'.

It's clear enough you tried to get the heat off TO and on TG.

Unwisely.

Nah. It's clear I was simply pointing out that another receiver dropped passes yesterday and spouted off to the media about his frustration. Nothing more. Nothing less. We're talking about what happened yesterday.

The only difference is one spouts often because a mic is jammed into his grill 24/7 and the other can quietly co-exist without the media scrutiny (obviously because he's a better person off the field...)

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Nah. It's clear I was simply pointing out that another receiver dropped passes yesterday and spouted off to the media about his frustration. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I admire your defenses of Owens..the quantity more than the quality, but all the same, I admire them.

I love me my players too, but when they screw up, I'm the first out with the pitchfork.

Much as I love TG, no way would I have the nerve to take his part if he had 17 drops this season. And I sure wouldn't be able to recommed he get the ball MORE. I'd just sit and cringe and hope he got it together soon.

So, props to your relentless pursuit of Owens' interests. I've seen nothing like it in all my years as an NFL fan.

 

[Bleu Star]

I admire your defenses of Owens..the quantity more than the quality, but all the same, I admire them.

I love me my players too, but when they screw up, I'm the first out with the pitchfork.

Much as I love TG, no way would I have the nerve to take his part if he had 17 drops this season. And I sure wouldn't be able to recommed he get the ball MORE. I'd just sit and cringe and hope he got it together soon.

So, props to your relentless pursuit of Owens' interests. I've seen nothing like it in all my years as an NFL fan.

Here's the bottom line. I don't love the guy but I reecognize that if we are to do anything this year playoffwise it will be because both he and TG are contributing heavily in the passing game. All this other crap is water under the bridge because if we're hoisting Lombardi trophy #6 everyone will rejoice together. Whether he's back next year or not... I'll let the haters continue to spew. I'm only worried about trying to get another trophy this year. If he's gone after this year I sincerely hope we get something adequate in here, be it another standout vet or a top draft pick. I'm not ready to slip back to mediocrity and, contrary to popular opinion, I don't believe TO has been the detriment that some write him off to be. Therefore, I will stand firm on my belief that we have many problems which should be openly discussed. These problems include, but are not limited to, TO.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Here's the bottom line. I don't love the guy but I reecognize thatif we are to do anything this year playoffwise it will be because both he and TG are contributing heavily in the passing game. All this other crap is water under the bridge because if we're hoisting Lombardi trophy #6 everyone will rejoice together. Whether he's back next year or not... I'll let the haters continue to spew. I'm only worried about trying to get another trophy this year. If he's gone after this year I sincerely hope we get something adequate in here, be it another standout vet or a top draft pick. I'm not ready to slip back to mediocrity and, contrary to popular opinion, I don't believe TO has been the detriment that some write him off to be. Therefore, I will stand firm on my belief that we have many problems which should be openly discussed. These problems included, but are not limited to, TO.

The biggest problem is the D, of course.

The second is Bill's latest bout of being outcoached.

And those two 'issues' mean the O has to 'save us', save us with as flawless execution as can be mustered, considering we have a still developmental QB facing his first playoffs.

The two veteran receivers on this team are the most charged with seeing to it that execution is crisp and that motivation is relentlessly dynamic. Much more of that responsibility falls on TG, as the senior skills player on offense. It was he asked to address the team before the Jints gam, not Owens.

Terry needs to come out of his shell, step up, and take charge of the receiver corps, and make a point of supporting Romo as much as possible. I don't mind his mouthing off this ONCE this year if he is speaking for the entire O, as he said.

But he darn well better not make dropping balls a habit.

It's beyond useless to expect Owens to change, but he too could at least try to lead by example. If the QB throws a pick, tackle the interceptor, or try to. Get away from the tightrope strut on the sidelines and give your QB room to make the throw. And stop thinking about your celebration in the endzone before securing the ball - that alone would halve the Owens' drops, imo.

'All these weapons', sure, but most of them are very young. Jujo, MBIII, Jason, Fasano, Pat....the other offensive skills players, even Tony, should be able to look to Glenn and Owens for examples of playoff quality play and demeanor.

Yesterday, both failed miserably.

I cannot defend Terry, and no one can defend TO for those performances yesterday...those so-called 'weapons' ought to be doing more than their share - may have to end up compensating for the D and the coaching, not screwing up.

 

[Bleu Star]

The biggest problem is the D, of course.

The second is Bill's latest bout of being outcoached.

And those two 'issues' mean the O has to 'save us', save us with as flawless execution as can be mustered, considering we have a still developmental QB facing his first playoffs.

The two veteran receivers on this team are the most charged with seeing to it that execution is crisp and that motivation is relentlessly dynamic. Much more of that responsibility falls on TG, as the senior skills player on offense. It was he asked to address the team before the Jints gam, not Owens.

Terry needs to come out of his shell, step up, and take charge of the receiver corps, and make a point of supporting Romo as much as possible. I don't mind his mouthing off this ONCE this year if he is speaking for the entire O, as he said.

But he darn well better not make dropping balls a habit.

It's beyond useless to expect Owens to change, but he too could at least try to lead by example. If the QB throws a pick, tackle the interceptor, or try to. Get away from the tightrope strut on the sidelines and give your QB room to make the throw. And stop thinking about your celebration in the endzone before securing the ball - that alone would halve the Owens' drops, imo.

'All these weapons', sure, but most of them are very young. Jujo, MBIII, Jason, Fasano, Pat....the other offensive skills players, even Tony, should be able to look to Glenn and Owens for examples of playoff quality play and demeanor.

Yesterday, both failed miserably.

I cannot defend Terry, and no one can defend TO for those performances yesterday...those so-called 'weapons' ought to be doing more than their share - may have to end up compensating for the D and the coaching, not screwing up.

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I remain hopeful that the conundrum of issues facing this team dwindle significantly before our next statement game.