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Terrell *DID* have a play on defense...so I guess we can blame the defensive failures on Owens.

Oy vey Did nobody learn anything from watching the Eagles struggle last year after Owens was benched? Anybody notice how their problems continued without him and continued partly into this season? ('til Bill saved their day).

Owens is NOT the end-all-be-all of the teams' problems. He doesn't even rank in the top 5.

1) Predictable and conservative offensive play calling
2) Predictable and conservative defensive scheming
3) Lack of execution from O/D-lines out to WRs and CBs respectively
4) LB'ing corp that refuses to step up. You are the "4" in 3-4 stupids!
5) Rowdy
 

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EPL0c0;1262017 said:
Terrell *DID* have a play on defense...so I guess we can blame the defensive failures on Owens.

Oy vey Did nobody learn anything from watching the Eagles struggle last year after Owens was benched? Anybody notice how their problems continued without him and continued partly into this season? ('til Bill saved their day).

Owens is NOT the end-all-be-all of the teams' problems. He doesn't even rank in the top 5.

1) Predictable and conservative offensive play calling
2) Predictable and conservative defensive scheming
3) Lack of execution from O/D-lines out to WRs and CBs respectively
4) LB'ing corp that refuses to step up. You are the "4" in 3-4 stupids!
5) Rowdy


Yeah, the Eagles really seem to miss owens this season also. McNuggets injuries had nothing to do with last season.
 

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Dave_in-NC;1262033 said:
Yeah, the Eagles really seem to miss owens this season also. McNuggets injuries had nothing to do with last season.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Owens was brought in to Philly to put the team over the top.

The Eagles had a solid defense and solid offense prior to last year. (In our hatred for the Eagles, many Cowboys fans didn't want to recognize the fact that this team is the same team that essentially went to four NFC Championship Games.)

Even the Eagles didn't see Owens as the Messiah. Simply as a part of the whole. But Owens saw himself differently, which led to his problems in Philly.

So lo and behold, the Eagles fall flat last year, they oust T.O. and many Cowboys fans are ready to sing their demise and scream how stupid they are to get rid of T.O.

But that same team is now in the playoffs and is likely going to win the NFC East WITHOUT T.O.

And to make matters worse, they swept a team that has T.O. on its squad and is facing some of the same griping that Philly experienced with T.O.

It aint about T.O. and his play, true.

It's more about having a solid defensive line and a solid offensive line and a solid running game. The Eagles have figured out in the absence of McNabb that they need to be a more balanced team - which is what their fans had been crying for for years.

McNabb's injury forced the Eagles to do that. And with the team's attention to the lines through the draft, it's no wonder they're doing well without T.O.

I say the Eagles are doing fine without him. I dare say the Cowboys will survive if he's not here next year.

Maybe then we can focus on a strategy other than placating T.O.
(I'm convinced that deep ball throw was more a desire to placate T.O. than anything.)

He has to get his balls and his touchdowns.

But the Eagles are showing that there is indeed L.A.T.O. - Life After T.O.

Maybe we'll take a page from them. Maybe. ;)
 

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Why is it everytime the defense gets used and abused people call for TO's head?
 

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This is exactly why you don't sign TO. He has the nerve to complain about seeing less attention yet he drops 3 key passes in the game yesterday. He is a cancer on this team. I'm not putting the blame on him for yesterdays loss but he is a distraction and having good guys on the team creates harmony in the locker room. Look at Philly this year. They had their downward spell. If TO was on the team, he would have just made it worse. This year, their morale was maintained and that team rebounded thanks in large part to not having guys like TO on their team.
 

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tyke1doe;1262122 said:
L.A.T.O. - Life After T.O.

Sounds like Paradise to me, Tyke.

Next season with Tony having a year starting under his belt, there is no reason to saddle him with this whiner.
 

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Doomsday;1262133 said:
Why is it everytime the defense gets used and abused people call for TO's head?

Maybe it's because when the defense gets abused we're usually behind and that's when - more than usual - TO's drops get more frequent and his mouth bigger. Honestly, if he had just SHUT THE &$#% UP and played dominos with the Eagles players AFTER the game instead of pointing out how he needs to be involved earlier it wouldn't have served only to highlight how pathetic his play was.

I'm sick of our defense getting abused, and I'm sick of Owens' whining. You want more balls thrown at you? Catch the first ones.
 

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tyke1doe;1262122 said:
I think you hit the nail on the head.

Owens was brought in to Philly to put the team over the top.

The Eagles had a solid defense and solid offense prior to last year. (In our hatred for the Eagles, many Cowboys fans didn't want to recognize the fact that this team is the same team that essentially went to four NFC Championship Games.)

Even the Eagles didn't see Owens as the Messiah. Simply as a part of the whole. But Owens saw himself differently, which led to his problems in Philly.

So lo and behold, the Eagles fall flat last year, they oust T.O. and many Cowboys fans are ready to sing their demise and scream how stupid they are to get rid of T.O.

But that same team is now in the playoffs and is likely going to win the NFC East WITHOUT T.O.

And to make matters worse, they swept a team that has T.O. on its squad and is facing some of the same griping that Philly experienced with T.O.

It aint about T.O. and his play, true.

It's more about having a solid defensive line and a solid offensive line and a solid running game. The Eagles have figured out in the absence of McNabb that they need to be a more balanced team - which is what their fans had been crying for for years.

McNabb's injury forced the Eagles to do that. And with the team's attention to the lines through the draft, it's no wonder they're doing well without T.O.

I say the Eagles are doing fine without him. I dare say the Cowboys will survive if he's not here next year.

Maybe then we can focus on a strategy other than placating T.O.
(I'm convinced that deep ball throw was more a desire to placate T.O. than anything.)

He has to get his balls and his touchdowns.

But the Eagles are showing that there is indeed L.A.T.O. - Life After T.O.

Maybe we'll take a page from them. Maybe. ;)

Nice, well done. I feel that some super stars can hurt a team more than they can help. In the case of owens that could be true, we wont know until he's gone. Much like the Eagles. I never wanted him from the get go, you can't change the man. We have done better than any one else could at keeping him under control some what, but I fail to see his worth.

Maybe we can take a page from the Eagles, it wouldn't hurt.
 

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No fan of the Cowboys will be happier than me on the day T.O. is no longer wearing our uniform...I can't stand him, but he had nothing to do with us losing on Christmas day...that loss is entirely on the defense, imo.

The defense has to get some stops, get the offense back on the field, win some field position, give the offense a chance to get in rhythm, something.

The Eagles dominated our defense yesterday from beginning to end...period.
 

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wayne_motley;1262533 said:
No fan of the Cowboys will be happier than me on the day T.O. is no longer wearing our uniform...I can't stand him, but he had nothing to do with us losing on Christmas day...that loss is entirely on the defense, imo.

The defense has to get some stops, get the offense back on the field, win some field position, give the offense a chance to get in rhythm, something.

The Eagles dominated our defense yesterday from beginning to end...period.

Thats all true to a point. When the defense isn't doing so well, thats when a strong offense should help out. The offense didn't do so much to help keep our awful defense off the field either. We didn't sustain any drives.
Drops from the super star didn't help.
 

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T.O is not the problem WR is not the problem , its obvious that when we lose all you T.O haters come out and bash him and count over n over his drops. You guys think we would of done sumthing different if T.O catches that pass from Romo? I doubt it! especially with our great Defense. B/c they probably would of come out and gotten beat again, like they have been gettin beat the past 3 games.

This defense is not steppin up. it has not been steppin up. the reason we beat Atlanta was b/c our offense was on mostly all cylinders. vick looked like Dan Marino for an instance. Brees had a field day, and Garcia reminded me of Steve young. this D is pathetic. why bring up T.O?

T.O was a big factor we even won in Atlanta, and he gets no props. sum of you just dont see that. Im not gonna bring up the stats b/c ur gonna just throw em under the bus. he has wut? 12 tds ..oohh but wait!!! hes dropped 18-19 passes? HE SUX! well...a healthy hand would work! hes not the only one whining now..the whole offense is. wut a whiner TO is huh? :rolleyes: they just need to **** and play.

I expect changes on Defense this offseason, with BP still here. and a new D coordinator. and no i'm not defending T.O b/c hes my idol or b/c hes the best bla bla, I could care less if he leaves after this year, meh..but he certainly aint the problem.
 

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kØwbØy;1262738 said:
T.O is not the problem WR is not the problem , its obvious that when we lose all you T.O haters come out and bash him and count over n over his drops. You guys think we would of done sumthing different if T.O catches that pass from Romo? I doubt it! especially with our great Defense. B/c they probably would of come out and gotten beat again, like they have been gettin beat the past 3 games.

This defense is not steppin up. it has not been steppin up. the reason we beat Atlanta was b/c our offense was on mostly all cylinders. vick looked like Dan Marino for an instance. Brees had a field day, and Garcia reminded me of Steve young. this D is pathetic. why bring up T.O?

T.O was a big factor we even won in Atlanta, and he gets no props. sum of you just dont see that. Im not gonna bring up the stats b/c ur gonna just throw em under the bus. he has wut? 12 tds ..oohh but wait!!! hes dropped 18-19 passes? HE SUX! well...a healthy hand would work! hes not the only one whining now..the whole offense is. wut a whiner TO is huh? :rolleyes: they just need to **** and play.

I expect changes on Defense this offseason, with BP still here. and a new D coordinator. and no i'm not defending T.O b/c hes my idol or b/c hes the best bla bla, I could care less if he leaves after this year, meh..but he certainly aint the problem.

Save your breath man. You're talking to a brick wall. I hear you loud and clear though.

:starspin
 

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Isn't it at least a remote possibility that both the defense and our "superstar" receiver dropping pass after pass are a problem?

I don't recall anyone on here saying "nah man, our defense is solid". The most confirmed TO haters (and that includes me - always will) have a seemingly unique ability to see that more than one thing is not what it should be. Don't get ticked just because we don't like a WR who drops several potentially game-changing balls every game coming out and WHINING that he's not being thrown to often enough.

What's with all the TO coddling anyway? He's a grown man who gets paid millions and millions of dollars every year. All I want him to do is not lead the league in dropped passes before he opens his big mouth. Just be second or third in the league in dropped passes - then he can whine.
 

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STSINAZ;1260600 said:
like i said in every big loss TO has dropped the passes...if he catches that ball deep yesterday we may have won...what jerrah said could have been directed at him bringing in TO too...TO is out...BP is out...clean house with all coaches...bring in cowher and things will change immediately.
First of all,Bill Cowher isn't coming here!If Bill Cowher still wants to coach,he will stay at Pittsburgh.So you might as well forget that one.Second,do you really believe how our defense is playing,that we would have won that game if Owens had caught that ball.Look,I agree that Owens drops are a problem,but this team has way bigger problems then that.
 

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Terrell Owens is not worth the trouble. His drops are now an epidemic he cannot shake. His drop in the 3rd Quarter was nearly the Cowboys last prayer, and the second his play has eroded below “top 5” WR in the league was the second that his behavior became enough to send him away in the off-season. I supported his signing, but that was before the Sunday tradition of drive-ending drops that he has introduced this season.

from someone at the ticket!
 
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