Its bye week, draft nerds unite...

[Chocolate Lab]

DT/NT is where we go in first round.

So who are you demoting out of Spears, Ferguson, and Canty so you can start that first rounder?

 

[Rush 2112]

Don't have to demote anyone.

Wilfork, the poster child for 3-4 NT's went 20 something and didn't start til his 2nd year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

he asked for NOrs

oh wait, nvm

 

[Rush 2112]

You've never been more wrong.

Oh wait there was that Dat thing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Don't have to demote anyone.

Wilfork, the poster child for 3-4 NT's went 20 something and didn't start til his 2nd year.

Every single early pick Parcells has made since he got here has been to fill a need. If some transcendent talent is too great to turn down at that pick, okay, but I doubt Jerry gave Ferguson all that money to not start and play for at least a few years. And Glover's not gone yet, either.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You've never been more wrong.

Oh wait there was that Dat thing.

and this was in response to what? Nors' alter-ego, you make no sense

 

[Rush 2112]

Every single early pick Parcells has made since he got here has been to fill a need. If some transcendent talent is too great to turn down at that pick, okay, but I doubt Jerry gave Ferguson all that money to not start and play for at least a few years. And Glover's not gone yet, either.

We're also a Ferguson high ankle sprain way from being #25 vs run.

Both NT's wrong side of 30 and Fergie's deal is a 2 year deal disguised as a 4.

In with a Ngata or Watson, out with Coleman, Ogs, or Pepper.

What's wrong with securing a starting DL of Spears, Watson, Canty long term?

 

[Rush 2112]

and this was in response to what? Nors' alter-ego, you make no sense

You're saying Nors and I are the same guy.

I'm saying your dead ___ wrong.........

As usual.

See your stance on Dat vs Shanle.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We're also a Ferguson high ankle sprain way from being #25 vs run.

you forget we have Pepper Johnson and Parcells really likes Chris Van Hoy, and the fact that you don't need to spend a high pick to get a quality NT, big money invested in Ferg already, and then invest even more money on his backup, good thinking Nors

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You're saying Nors and I are the same guy.

I'm saying your dead ___ wrong.........

As usual.

See your stance on Dat vs Shanle.

ok, someone replied to Nors, but Nors doesn't respond to him, you do, and guess what, both of you have the exact, same argument, hmmm, looks fishy to me, and I'm not wrong on my stance with Dat, he isn't being phased out

 

[Rush 2112]

you forget we have Pepper Johnson and Parcells really likes Chris Van Hoy, and the fact that you don't need to spend a high pick to get a quality NT, big money invested in Ferg already, and then invest even more money on his backup, good thinking Nors

You forgot Pepper hasn't suited up for a game yet. That's one.

Prove to us that BP really likes Chris Van Hoy.

Likes him so much he isn't on the roster or practice squad?

Explain that?

Van Hoy is such a good NT that BP moved him to OG for a while this TC.

Wilfork played behind RDE and NT his rookie year.

Good thinking Summer's Eve.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I don't think Robinson is going to be around in the 6th round. Living in PA I get to see alot of him, and he's going to be good as a WR/RB in the NFL. He's very strong as well, he runs at least one defender over in every game.

I agree and I think Robinson will probably be a first day pick.
He is not exactly horrible as a QB either .
He has carried Penn State this year .
For me he is like a poor mans Vince Young from Texas.
Of course Young from Texas has a lot more talent around him .

Penn State has a very good defense but Robinson is the whole offense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You forgot Pepper hasn't suited up for a game yet. That's one.

Prove to us that BP really likes Chris Van Hoy.

Likes him so much he isn't on the roster or practice squad?

Explain that?

Van Hoy is such a good NT that BP moved him to OG for a while this TC.

Wilfork played behind RDE and NT his rookie year.

Good thinking Summer's Eve.

Parcells has bodies to work with behind Ferguson, who can play NT, and already has a shartload of money invested in Ferguson

 

[Chocolate Lab]

We're also a Ferguson high ankle sprain way from being #25 vs run.

Both NT's wrong side of 30 and Fergie's deal is a 2 year deal disguised as a 4.

In with a Ngata or Watson, out with Coleman, Ogs, or Pepper.

What's wrong with securing a starting DL of Spears, Watson, Canty long term?

We also might be a Ware or Roy Williams knee injury from 3-5. So should we target a rush linebacker or strong safety? Or should we shore up the needs that this team still has?

We're not going to agree, so there's no point in going back and forth forever. But IMO some needs that may not be obvious right now are going to show up in the second half of the season. It might be that Shanle regresses and we need a huge, strong ILB. It might be that Fujita looks like merely a "pretty good" player, and need a more dominant SOLB. It might be that a receiver gets hurt and we realize how thin and pedestrian our WR corps is. It might be that the young tackles crater and we realize we need a top-notch tackle.

Point being, NT should be a position of strength right now considering we just brought in a Parcells favorite and gave him almost an eight figure signing bonus. If we want a project backup for the future, fine, but that's not what first rounders are for. There will be other positions that can use immediate upgrades, and that's where I think we'll look.

And while I'm here, I'll throw Pat Watkins' name into the ring at FS.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We also might be a Ware or Roy Williams knee injury from 3-5. So should we target a rush linebacker or strong safety? Or should we shore up the needs that this team still has?

We're not going to agree, so there's no point in going back and forth forever. But IMO some needs that may not be obvious right now are going to show up in the second half of the season. It might be that Shanle regresses and we need a huge, strong ILB. It might be that Fujita looks like merely a "pretty good" player, and need a more dominant SOLB. It might be that a receiver gets hurt and we realize how thin and pedestrian our WR corps is. It might be that the young tackles crater and we realize we need a top-notch tackle.

Point being, NT should be a position of strength right now considering we just brought in a Parcells favorite and gave him almost an eight figure signing bonus. If we want a project backup for the future, fine, but that's not what first rounders are for. There will be other positions that can use immediate upgrades, and that's where I think we'll look.

And while I'm here, I'll throw Pat Watkins' name into the ring at FS.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

If I am going to dream I will do so big...
RD1 Leinhart -QB
RD2 Rod Wright - DT
RD3 Jason Allen -S
RD4 Winstrom -OT

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If I am going to dream I will do so big...
RD1 Leinhart -QB
RD2 Rod Wright - DT
RD3 Jason Allen -S
RD4 Winstrom -OT

LOL, nice

 

[Rush 2112]

We also might be a Ware or Roy Williams knee injury from 3-5. So should we target a rush linebacker or strong safety? Or should we shore up the needs that this team still has?

We're not going to agree, so there's no point in going back and forth forever. But IMO some needs that may not be obvious right now are going to show up in the second half of the season. It might be that Shanle regresses and we need a huge, strong ILB. It might be that Fujita looks like merely a "pretty good" player, and need a more dominant SOLB. It might be that a receiver gets hurt and we realize how thin and pedestrian our WR corps is. It might be that the young tackles crater and we realize we need a top-notch tackle.

Point being, NT should be a position of strength right now considering we just brought in a Parcells favorite and gave him almost an eight figure signing bonus. If we want a project backup for the future, fine, but that's not what first rounders are for. There will be other positions that can use immediate upgrades, and that's where I think we'll look.

And while I'm here, I'll throw Pat Watkins' name into the ring at FS.

It might be that BP has a philosophy that big guys early cuz there are only so many of them?

He may feel that his secondary is already young enough and he'd rather get an experienced FS in FA?

Maybe he's just looking for depth at OLB?

Maybe Price resigns and we have our 4 WR's set?

Maybe between Flo, Petiti, Tucker, Colombo, Rogers, Brooks we find 3-4 that stick?

BP said yesterday there are a couple more areas where he would like to be more dominant.

With him, there are only so many places that would be IMO.

 

[ghst187]

You guys can't have a draft thread without me posting....

Ok here's mine straight up:
1) Santonio Holmes, gives us youth and speed and can return some kicks until Glenn retires. All the top OL will be gone by the time we pick and i think Ahmad Brooks is too much a thug for our team.
2) Micheal Huff or Jason Allen (depending on his return from injury) at S. I think FS is probably our biggest hole right now.
3) Best OL. I like Slay a lot although I prefer our FS to be a coverage guy moreso than a big hitter but if he can do both...bring him on

The real deal....
I'd like us to hedge our bets....I'd prefer to trade out of the first round for an extra first next year ('07 draft) in case we decide that Henson isn't going to make the cut. Having 2 #1's is the only way we'll have a legit chance at grabbing QB Brady Quinn.
Use the rest of our picks to grab a FS, OG (preferrably one that can play some Center), an extra LB and WR/KR.
Even if Henson turns out to be the dude, we have that option available to us in '07. And if Henson does get it, the '07 draft class should be MUCH better at WR than '06 so we'd have a chance at a big time WR. By '07 season, I think Key and Glenn will be living on borrowed time, or at least declining noticably.

 

[mschmidt64]

Love to have a Louisville player play for Dallas, but i dont know. Ive seen everygame of his. Even games that he rode the bench his freshman year when he was 4th string. Yes Dumervil was 4th string. Dumervil is very very small for a DE or for the NFL period. Dumervil has a lot of talent at the college level but i think his speed and moves, wont full some of the bigger OL in the NFL and wont be as big in the NFL. I say pass on him early 1st, near end of 1st snatch him up.

I would agree. Dumerville will go rather high because of his stats, but I think he's a situational pass rusher.

He certainly is not a 3-4 lineman, and I don't know if he can make the same switch to LB.

I'd rather go with a guy like Manny Lawson, if we're in the business of converting another end.

Or a real linebacker like Carpenter.