It's... the... PLAYERS!!!

[LittleBoyBlue]

Wasn't talking about you specifically, there's nothing wrong with venting. Not everyone knows other Cowboy fans to vent their frustration to and not everyone handles a loss well.

Some are irrational Sunday night and Monday and can process better come Tuesday.

How many people have sworn off the Cowboys only to show up in the game thread the following week?

Well when you posted "the original poster is probably just venting" THAT was me.

No prob.




The last part is funny.... how many fans did we lose after signing TO? Pacman?

Never to be seen again :laugh2:

 

[TheCount]

Well when you posted "the original poster is probably just venting" THAT was me.

No prob.




The last part is funny.... how many fans did we lose after signing TO? Pacman?

Never to be seen again :laugh2:

Whoops, I didn't even realize I said original poster, it's still early for me.

 

[CATCH17]

The original poster is probably just venting, there are only a handful of people that are obviously trolls.

Why people are surprised the board goes bananas after losses like that one is beyond me, especially with the way this team is so up and down. It can drive one to drink and if you're already drinking, well the next stop is insanity.

Its not just that loss. Its the hard fought losses too.

You can't tell the difference between the 2 after a Cowboys loss.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Its not just that loss. Its the hard fought losses too.

You can't tell the difference between the 2 after a Cowboys loss.

The only 'hard fought' loss we had this year was Pittsburg.

Just because we were in the Arizona, Washington, and Baltimore game doesn't mean we played well, we actually played awful in all of those games.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No matter what anyone says, quite honestly, the biggest responsibility in any and all loses are on the players. They're the ones on the field and they're the ones who control rather the plays they're running are performed correctly and successful.

Coaching takes part in that, absolutely, but the majority of this kind of stuff has to be on the shoulders of the players and rather or not they're doing their jobs 100% or not.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Wasn't talking about you specifically, there's nothing wrong with venting. Not everyone knows other Cowboy fans to vent their frustration to and not everyone handles a loss well.

Some are irrational Sunday night and Monday and can process better come Tuesday.

How many people have sworn off the Cowboys only to show up in the game thread the following week?

Whoops, I didn't even realize I said original poster, it's still early for me.

We're both in NY... what time you get up? The crack of noon? :

 

[kmd24]

As a whole our fan base is worse than any other and its not even close.

Can you absolutely know that this is true?

 

[Bach]

Wade has never won a playoff game. I guess it was the players in Denver and Buffalo too, huh?

True. And Jerry brought him here to try and continue what Parcells built and get them to the Super Bowl. Incredible.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

No matter what anyone says, quite honestly, the biggest responsibility in any and all loses are on the players. They're the ones on the field and they're the ones who control rather the plays they're running are performed correctly and successful.

Coaching takes part in that, absolutely, but the majority of this kind of stuff has to be on the shoulders of the players and rather or not they're doing their jobs 100% or not.

Not to beat a dead horse on this thread, but assuming this is true what is the solution? If they can't be coached, then we need to somehow replace talented but uncoachable idiots with talented, coachable non-idiots without breaking the bank. If they can be coached, then the theory is wrong -- it's not the players, but the coaches.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Sure it's the players. It always is....BUT, the coaches put the players in position to succeed by dmeanding respect and refusing to accept mistakes throughout the off-season, training camp and the season.

Why do you think we started to become a sloppy, undisciplined team in '94 and '95? One man left. Jimmy Johnson and the one that replaced him was a "players coach".

Why are the Patriots still among the elite teams in the league despite the loss of perhap the greatest QB of all-time? Because from the top down, the HC demands perfection throughout the off-season, trainig camp and the season.

The point is the mistakes you see today are the fruit of what went on back in the off-season. Our guys simply aren't afraid of this coaching staff or of losing their jobs. They play the way Wade and this staff have allowed them to play for the past 2 seasons.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

The only 'hard fought' loss we had this year was Pittsburg.

Just because we were in the Arizona, Washington, and Baltimore game doesn't mean we played well, we actually played awful in all of those games.

I disagree. You're absolutely correct on Arizona and Washington. The D played lights out against Baltimore for the first 85% of the game or so and then collapsed. The offense came back pretty well at the end when they needed to. There is a categorical difference between how the Cowboys played against Wash'n and Arizona as opposed to Baltimore.

 

[Ren]

Wade has failed with other teams too, not just here. His happy go lucky style of coaching is probably what's made this team so sloppy

 

[Ichill2]

yes, but coaches have to coach players to execute

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Catch is right on again in this thread.

If it is the players, IMO the solution is in drafting. We need to specifically look for tough-minded guys who seem like winners and maybe are even a little cocky. I think Scandrick is like that. We know Choice is like that. Even Bennett might be so cool and confident in himself that big moments don't phase him.

That's why I liked the Walden pick so much -- because a main reason they chose him was that he gutted out a very painful injury all year and still played well with it. I didn't know if Walden would be any good, but I like the thinking behind the pick, because that's the kind of mental toughness and attitude we need more of.

Bill always wanted the big guys, but maybe someone a little smaller and less "prototype" physically but who plays like a madman (like a Ratliff) is better than someone who fits the size requirements to a T but isn't the best competitor (like a Spears).

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Catch is right on again in this thread.

If it is the players, IMO the solution is in drafting. We need to specifically look for tough-minded guys who seem like winners and maybe are even a little cocky. I think Scandrick is like that. We know Choice is like that. Even Bennett might be so cool and confident in himself that big moments don't phase him.

That's why I liked the Walden pick so much -- because a main reason they chose him was that he gutted out a very painful injury all year and still played well with it. I didn't know if Walden would be any good, but I like the thinking behind the pick, because that's the kind of mental toughness and attitude we need more of.

Bill always wanted the big guys, but maybe someone a little smaller and less "prototype" physically but who plays like a madman (like a Ratliff) is better than someone who fits the size requirements to a T but isn't the best competitor (like a Spears).

I don't know. It sounds perfectly reasonable but, then again, we've probably picked a whole bunch of duds on grounds like these over the years/decades. The draft is still something of a crap shoot, regardless of one's preferred formula -- it looks deceptively simple in hindsight.

 

[Alexander]

Nope.

It's that New Jersey fatass.

Funny how nobody was complaining it was the players then. Maybe what he said over and over again was right. He had to take a baseball bat to some of the mule's heads.

 

[Alexander]

If it is the players, IMO the solution is in drafting. We need to specifically look for tough-minded guys who seem like winners and maybe are even a little cocky. I think Scandrick is like that. We know Choice is like that. Even Bennett might be so cool and confident in himself that big moments don't phase him.

I think the rookies we drafted this year are a great foundation. Like you said, Scandrick and Choice are mature beyond their years and they "get it". You can just tell, like you could tell when Darren Woodson was a backup, when Brock Marion was a backup. They just have "it". These two do. Bennett needs to apply himself more, but he could be in that group too. Problem is our staff doesn't trust them enough. We stumbled upon Choice by accident and had we not been injured at CB, we might not have realized what a gem we have in Scandrick.

What is hurting us right now isn't the rookies. The ones making the mental errors are those that have been around for five-six years. These are the players who should be squared away.

 

[TheCount]

We're both in NY... what time you get up? The crack of noon? :

:laugh2:I wish. I went to bed late after having to pick up siblings from a flight that got delayed and got up early to get them situated before I headed out to work and haven't eaten anything since lunch yesterday, running on fumes right now.

 

[Cowboysfan22]

If you watch the players they don't seem prepared and they are confused and lost out there.

 

[Mash]

Who knows....but.....

When we won our first SB in the 90's...it was Jimmy Genius....and Jerry Jones had no part of it...

When we won our 3rd one in the 90's ....it was Jimmy Players that won....not Coaching or Jerry Jones.....Switzer was just there for the ride

Now we have a talented team again and Jerry is still a idiot....our Coaching sucks and the players are dumb......right?

It will be interesting that if by chance....we make the playoffs...turn it around and win this SB.....who would get this credit? Rowdy?