It's time for Martin in the Ring, Jerry

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seventeen months ago, Harvey Martin faced the real possibility that he might not see anything but the inside of a jail cell for a long time. More than a decade of drug and alcohol abuse had taken its toll, and he ended up being arrested one more time--the last time--for beating his live-in girlfriend. By the summer of 1996, the football hero had become just one more drunken, coked-out disgrace.

Twice that year, Martin was arrested for turning Debbie Clark into a punching bag. Dallas police went to his home in March and August, responding to disturbance complaints; both times, they found Clark battered at the hands of the man who became an NFL legend beating up quarterbacks.

The cops also found drugs on Martin, cocaine stuffed in his pockets. He claimed it wasn't his--he always did. For more than a decade, he denied he had a drug and drinking problem--no matter the trip to rehab in 1983, the pile of arrest reports, the business failures, his disappearance from friends and family.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-comeback-of-harvey-martin-6402182

But Hardy is a bad man.

 

[Chuck 54]

Sorry, but I don't see Martin or Jones ever in the ring. The ring isn't just for being great Cowboys. It's a very rare club.

 

[CCBoy]

Sorry, but I don't see Martin or Jones ever in the ring. The ring isn't just for being great Cowboys. It's a very rare club.

I'll never justify a criminal personality...on the carpet, he was pretty good.

As to Jerry, he has three Lombardis and the great Tom Landry, was only able to get two. It doesn't matter which folk lore one follows, Tom's or Jimmah's, Jerry belongs in the ring.

Think Murchison was anywhere close to the equal on stadium, team, and developments around the NFL? No, he inherited his money and loved the NFL to supplement his drug and gambling nature. Murchison did a lot, but didn't eclipse Jerry. That, and he put faith in a really articulate, ethical, and attentive man, Tom Landry.

There is too much glory in the history of the Cowboys, to insult other fans with blame for not getting more. That is really not a classy approach.

Oh, but of course...Too Tall. Never understood the boxing route shortly taken.

 

[KJJ]

Sorry, but I don't see Martin or Jones ever in the ring. The ring isn't just for being great Cowboys. It's a very rare club.

I don't see either player getting in the ROH Jerry appears done adding players from the 70's. It took a lot of convincing just to get Drew Pearson in.

 

[AbeBeta]

Please. Everyone you had a poster of when you were nine doesn't need to be in the ring.

 

[Fletch]

I know it's a little early, but I always thought Zach deserved the ROH.

 

[percyhoward]

What Cowboy bias?

These are all the players who retired prior to 2000, and are not in the Hall of Fame with

• 3+ All-Pro selections (1st team)
  
• HOF All-Decade team
• SB ring

Cliff Harris, Cowboys
Jerry Kramer, Packers
Ralph Neely, Cowboys
Drew Pearson, Cowboys

And this doesn't even count Chuck Howley (5 All-Pro selections, SB ring, SBMVP), who had already been All-Pro four times when he was somehow left off the All-Decade team in favor of Larry Morris (no All-Pro, no Pro Bowl).

 

[CCBoy]

These are all the players who retired prior to 2000, and are not in the Hall of Fame with

• 3+ All-Pro selections (1st team)
  
• HOF All-Decade team
• SB ring

Cliff Harris, Cowboys
Jerry Kramer, Packers
Ralph Neely, Cowboys
Drew Pearson, Cowboys

And this doesn't even count Chuck Howley (5 All-Pro selections, SB ring, SBMVP), who had already been All-Pro four times when he was somehow left off the All-Decade team in favor of Larry Morris (no All-Pro, no Pro Bowl).

Lol, Percy, that is the real burr in the crawl for a Cowboys fan. And the rub of having to overcome the late to the dance and couldn't even match steps.

The press for the Cowboys through the years, have been worse than in Texas politics. The current political picture, doesn't even match the vile then...in the sporting venues.

The Cowboys only got a franchise to rub the NFL in the face of the AFC.

 

[muck4doo]

Sorry, but I don't see Martin or Jones ever in the ring. The ring isn't just for being great Cowboys. It's a very rare club.

You never saw Harvey Martin play, did you?

 

[KJJ]

Another reason Martin will likely never be added to the ROH is he's no longer with us and the Cowboys have never added a player to the ROH posthumously. If Jerry were to add him there would be a lot Cowboy fans upset wondering why he's being added 15 years after his death and not while he was alive so he could enjoy it. If Martin was going to be added after his death Jerry needed to do it a short time after not all these years later. It just raises questions as to why now and I doubt Jerry could come up with a good answer.

 

[KJJ]

The ROH is a select group and although Martin was a terrific player who I grew up watching he got cancelled out by an even better player on the Cowboys defense in Randy White who was a first ballot Hall of Famer. The Cowboys had a lot of great players over the years and you can't add everyone to the ROH it wouldn't be as special an honor if you did. Tony Hill was a terrific receiver but he got overshadowed by all the clutch plays Drew Pearson made.

When most fans think about the 70's and the Cowboys receivers most are going to point to Drew Pearson. When you look back on the 70's and the Cowboys Doomsday Defense Randy White will be the first player most will point to as the leader of that defense. A teams ROH and the HOF are the best of the best and some very good players are going to be left out.

 

[KJJ]

Actually it was 23 sacks unofficially... also the voters wanted to name the entire defense as co-mvp of the Super Bowl but the league said no...
Yes, I agree, Harvey Martin belongs in the ring... still holds the rookie team sack record with 9... led the team in 7 of 9 seasons in sacks... finished
with 114 in career, "unofficially".... if Dallas could've split SBs with the Steelers in the 70s, guys like Martin, Pearson and Cliff Harris would be in the HOF.

Like I mentioned the league didn't start keeping sack records until Martin's last 2 seasons so most of his sacks are unofficial and will be ignored by the HOF voters and possibly even Jerry. If the Cowboys split SBs with the Steelers during the 70s it would have helped open the door for Drew Pearson and maybe Martin but I doubt Cliff Harris would have made it he would have been cancelled out by Dick Anderson. Very difficult to make the HOF as a safety and Anderson whose best years came in the 70's was one of the greatest of all-time.

 

[Afigueroa22]

Please. Everyone you had a poster of when you were nine doesn't need to be in the ring.

To this day I lobby for Raquel Welch, the poster girl from Shawkshank, to be in the ring and I will continue to do so until it comes into fruition.

 

[mrmojo]

To this day I lobby for Raquel Welch, the poster girl from Shawkshank, to be in the ring and I will continue to do so until it comes into fruition.

Or Farrah

 

[AbeBeta]

To this day I lobby for Raquel Welch, the poster girl from Shawkshank, to be in the ring and I will continue to do so until it comes into fruition.

One million years B.C. I so get you

 

[muck4doo]

Or Farrah

Jaclyn Smith for the win! Booyah!!!!

 

[RoboQB]

Like I mentioned the league didn't start keeping sack records until Martin's last 2 seasons so most of his sacks are unofficial and will be ignored by the HOF voters and possibly even Jerry. If the Cowboys split SBs with the Steelers during the 70s it would have helped open the door for Drew Pearson and maybe Martin but I doubt Cliff Harris would have made it he would have been cancelled out by Dick Anderson. Very difficult to make the HOF as a safety and Anderson whose best years came in the 70's was one of the greatest of all-time.[/quote]

The starting safeties for the 70's All Decade Team are Ken Houston and Cliff Harris...Anderson was second-team... not better than Harris....

I am aware of the sack record-keeping... just kindly correcting your mention of 20 sacks... it was in fact 23... unofficially... Dallas kept records of team sacks long before the NFL began doing so.
Since we're talking sacks here, if the records were kept in his era, Deacon Jones would be the all-time and single season leader by a country mile.

 

[CCBoy]

Or Farrah

Farrah was from here in Corpus Christi...

 

[CCBoy]

To this day I lobby for Raquel Welch, the poster girl from Shawkshank, to be in the ring and I will continue to do so until it comes into fruition.

One really can't go wrong with a current age poster as well...love that woman.

 

[plasticman]

Agreed Martin was one of the founding back bones to Landry's doomsday 4-3
and rightfully deserves not just the ring of honor, But to be enshrined along with
Two tall and Drew Pearson who have all been snubbed from their rightful place
in football history

Absolutely.

The reason why it wont happen is because Jerry Jones is a petty jerk.

If he honors that era of cowboy football it takes away from what he claims that he has contributed.

As he proceeds to rewrite history, he attempts to convince us that he was responsible for acquiring Haley and Allen.