It's time to ponder some realities

[Sydla]

People probably don't want to hear it because he's a young qb. You guys are judging him like he's a 36 year old Romo but he's not. He's a 2nd year pro in this league. Far too early to make statements like "He's not very good.....".

Note I only said these are discussions we need to start thinking about having.

Nowhere did I say the book is written on Dak. But he's making mistakes that we shouldn't expect him to make.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Are we really going down the road where an awesome QB is what we need? Really?

With a garbage and scared coaching staff, the margin for error is thin.

There is a reason why, at the end of the day, Jason Garrett is a .500 coach.

Garrett is 61-49.

Not amazing but this idea that he's some 0.500 coach isn't supported by objective analysis.

But when does objectivity rule the day of a loss?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Note I only said these are discussions we need to start thinking about having.

Nowhere did I say the book is written on Dak. But he's making mistakes that we shouldn't expect him to make.

Your very first sentence was "Dak might not be that good.....". After having arguably one of the best rookie campaigns of all time. It seems a bit too soon. That's conversations we should be having at the end of the season not week 4.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Garrett is 61-49.

Not amazing but this idea that he's some 0.500 coach isn't supported by objective analysis.

But when does objectivity rule the day of a loss?

Take out his best season and his worst season; now what is he? Answer: A .500 coach

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Take out his best season and his worst season; now what is he? Answer: A .500 coach

If I take out 12-4 and 4-12? He's still 12 games above 0.500 because that's how math works.

 

[Sydla]

Your very first sentence was "Dak might not be that good.....". After having arguably one of the best rookie campaigns of all time. It seems a bit too soon. That's conversations we should be having at the end of the season not week 4.

Actually the first sentence of the post reads "I am not saying these are definite, but these are POTENTIAL realities we may need to discuss."

But sure, read what you want to read.

 

[WillieBeamen]

People probably don't want to hear it because he's a young qb. You guys are judging him like he's a 36 year old Romo but he's not. He's a 2nd year pro in this league. Far too early to make statements like "He's not very good.....".

Fans, myself included, are just frustrated. While Dak hasnt been terrible, he hasnt played at the level he did last year. A lot of it is due to the OL not protecting him like last year and hes rushing his throws, making his accuracy shaky. This was due to happen. The level at which he played as a rookie, is hard to sustain for any QB, let a lone a second year one. A lot of his problems right now are the same issues he had in college which caused him to slide in the draft. Hes still throwing off his backfoot and is showing poor pocket awareness. On top of all of that, his ball security has been worse as well. He is on pace for double digit INTs and he should have a lot more than he does.

Its still early in the season, but if Dak doesnt improve his accuracy and pocket awareness, we are heading for another 8-8 season

 

[Sydla]

If I take out 12-4 and 4-12? He's still 12 games above 0.500 because that's how math works.

He's average. Maybe slightly above average.

But he's not a guy who is taking the team beyond what they are. A team that might make the playoffs and likely bow out early.

 

[TrailBlazer]

If I take out 12-4 and 4-12? He's still 12 games above 0.500 because that's how math works.

How many 8-8 finishes? Playoff wins? Consistently fails to maximize talent..

 

[Toruk_Makto]

He's average. Maybe slightly above average.

But he's not a guy who is taking the team beyond what they are. A team that might make the playoffs and likely bow out early.

So he's better than the average coach.

Yes I'd like to have an all exceptional staff. I want all pros at every coaching position. But who are those guys exactly and when have they become available?

Who have we been passing on to keep Garrett? Scott and Rod are well regarded all around the NFL. They've both done good to great jobs here.

Look at this thread... A poster said we have the worst staff in the NFL.

This is silly.

 

[RomoFor6]

The coaching staff are some of the worst in the NFL, IMO.

what do you mean, some? No one comes close. Seriously, who is even remotely close?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

How many 8-8 finishes? Playoff wins? Consistently fails to maximize talent..

I'm sorry you asked a silly question and I answered it. Garrett is not a 0.500 coach if "you are what your record says you are."

 

[Cowboy89]

I think Garrett's time should be up if they don't make the NFCCG this season. At some point you've gotta be all in on a championship. I just don't believe this guy will win here.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Actually the first sentence of the post reads "I am not saying these are definite, but these are POTENTIAL realities we may need to discuss."

But sure, read what you want to read.

1) Dak might not be that good. He looks uncomfortable in the pocket. He throws a lot of ducks and bad passes. He seems to get gun shy the first time something bad happens and suddenly the dump offs start to come in waves. It makes me crazy when it's 3rd and 8, and he literally hits Beasely in like a second on a 5 yard out. He doesn't even scan the field at times, immediately looking for the quick dump off. Is that Prescott or is that the coaches?


What poster made this post? Is this you or am I confusing you with someone else?

Fans, myself included, are just frustrated. While Dak hasnt been terrible, he hasnt played at the level he did last year. A lot of it is due to the OL not protecting him like last year and hes rushing his throws, making his accuracy shaky. This was due to happen. The level at which he played as a rookie, is hard to sustain for any QB, let a lone a second year one. A lot of his problems right now are the same issues he had in college which caused him to slide in the draft. Hes still throwing off his backfoot and is showing poor pocket awareness. On top of all of that, his ball security has been worse as well. He is on pace for double digit INTs and he should have a lot more than he does.

Its still early in the season, but if Dak doesnt improve his accuracy and pocket awareness, we are heading for another 8-8 season

They may need another 8-8 or worse season. Something has to give....but its not just Dak. Its not just Zeke. Its not just Dez.....we spent A LOT on Tyron, Fredericks and Zach Martin is on his way to get paid. We have had it beaten into our heads that this line is "the best in the league". I'm not sure why everyone is searching for who to blame here....the offensive line hasn't performed up to last years standards and neither has the offense because of them. This line is built through its offensive line. This offensive line protects the defensive line and the defense. Its hurting both sides of the football whether they know it or not.

 

[RomoFor6]

I'm not worried about Dak. You can win with his level of play. Maybe not with his level of play and a defense that can't stop anyone, but Dak is more than good enough to get the job done. His accuracy is down which isn't good to see but he's still making plays and giving his team a chance to win. He's a young player and will work to get better. He may not have the same year he had last year in some regards but last year was a special year.

He's being asked to pass a lot more, his OL isn't as steady, the running game isn't where it was last year, he has to hold the ball simply because the offense doesn't have a lot of speed. For whatever reason Beasley's quickness and ability to get open off the line has been underutilized. Also, he gets little help in the way of scheming. He's better on the move and should be rolling out more than he has been. Dallas lined up in a formation they usually don't today and Moose channels his inner Romo to accurately call the play as a QB draw.

Too early for me to worry about Dak.

Exactly, nothing more needs to be said. You can EASILY win with his level of play as is. Bunch of clowns on here.

 

[Sydla]

So he's better than the average coach.

Yes I'd like to have an all exceptional staff. I want all pros at every coaching position. But who are those guys exactly and when have they become available?

Who have we been passing on to keep Garrett? Scott and Rod are well regarded all around the NFL. They've both done good to great jobs here.

Look at this thread... A poster said we have the worst staff in the NFL.

This is silly.

Who knows who we could have gotten. We never tried because the Jones family is married to Garrett.

What you see is what you get.

If you guys are fine with inconsistent results year to year and think that if we load the roster up with all stars then he'll be fine, have at it.

I want something more out of this franchise.

 

[Sydla]

1) Dak might not be that good. He looks uncomfortable in the pocket. He throws a lot of ducks and bad passes. He seems to get gun shy the first time something bad happens and suddenly the dump offs start to come in waves. It makes me crazy when it's 3rd and 8, and he literally hits Beasely in like a second on a 5 yard out. He doesn't even scan the field at times, immediately looking for the quick dump off. Is that Prescott or is that the coaches?


What poster made this post? Is this you or am I confusing you with someone else?



They may need another 8-8 or worse season. Something has to give....but its not just Dak. Its not just Zeke. Its not just Dez.....we spent A LOT on Tyron, Fredericks and Zach Martin is on his way to get paid. We have had it beaten into our heads that this line is "the best in the league". I'm not sure why everyone is searching for who to blame here....the offensive line hasn't performed up to last years standards and neither has the offense because of them. This line is built through its offensive line. This offensive line protects the defensive line and the defense. Its hurting both sides of the football whether they know it or not.

Are you purposely obtuse or just trolling at this point?

 

[RomoFor6]

Dak also did throw a bad pick. And luckily didn't have like 2 others today.

Dak also is throwing 5 yard outs when we need 8 yards for a first down.

He's not playing all that well and that's just reality. People don't want to hear it but there is the possibility that Dak is just a decent QB and will never become one of the elites in the league.

So what, to you, is the larger issue here?

1) the fact that he is throwing 5 yard outs when we need 8

2) that 5 yard out routes are being run when we need 8?

Is it Daks fault that receivers are running poor routes? Or that the scheme is garbage? Why are receivers running 5 yard outs when we need 8? Should Dak throw it 8 yards to the invisible receiver? See how this works?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Who knows who we could have gotten. We never tried because the Jones family is married to Garrett.

What you see is what you get.

If you guys are fine with inconsistent results year to year and think that if we load the roster up with all stars then he'll be fine, have at it.

I want something more out of this franchise.

Strawman

 

[Sydla]

So what, to you, is the larger issue here?

1) the fact that he is throwing 5 yard outs when we need 8

2) that 5 yard out routes are being run when we need 8?

Is it Daks fault that receivers are running poor routes? Or that the scheme is garbage? Why are receivers running 5 yard outs when we need 8? Should Dak throw it 8 yards to the invisible receiver? See how this works?

I honestly don't know. But it's a discussion worth having. Based on my postings on this coaching staff, clearly this could be a coaching issue more than anything.

I mean while I think the coaching is blah, I also don't believe in 3rd and 8, Linehan calls a play where 4 or 5 receivers are all running 5 yard patterns.