Jabaal Sheard to Pats

[Stash]

I don't think "stole" is the right word, but it is one of the better value signings so far-- maybe the best one.

But keep in mind virtually all deals up to this point have been ridiculous to one extent or another.

Not this one. It looks like a bargain to me. I expected him to get in the $7 -$9 million range, given the lack of pass rushers available.

There's now essentially one good one left.

 

[LittleD]

I don't think "stole" is the right word, but it is one of the better value signings so far-- maybe the best one.

But keep in mind virtually all deals up to this point have been ridiculous to one extent or another.

It's much easier for Teams like New England & Seattle to attract great players for reasonable contracts because they
make the playoffs virtually every year with a great chance to get to a SB. Teams like Dallas have only smelled
the playoffs a couple of times over the last 20 years so if Dallas wants a great player they have to really
commit to paying them well. Just sayin'

 

[Alexander]

Not this one. It looks like a bargain to me. I expected him to get in the $7 -$9 million range, given the lack of pass rushers available.

There's now essentially one good one left.

And that one (I assume Morgan) we have "interest" in, yet he's visited the Falcons and now the Buccaneers.

But we got Jed Collins in to Valley Ranch. We are razor sharp in our precision in addressing priorities.

 

[Alexander]

It's much easier for Teams like New England & Seattle to attract great players for reasonable contracts because they
make the playoffs virtually every year with a great chance to get to a SB. Teams like Dallas have only smelled
the playoffs a couple of times over the last 20 years so if Dallas wants a great player they have to really
commit to paying them well. Just sayin'

This does not make sense. I have heard right here that Dallas is a grand stage with a great owner and charismatic head coach that everyone wants to play for and just get the star on their helmet.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's much easier for Teams like New England & Seattle to attract great players for reasonable contracts because they
make the playoffs virtually every year with a great chance to get to a SB. Teams like Dallas have only smelled
the playoffs a couple of times over the last 20 years so if Dallas wants a great player they have to really
commit to paying them well. Just sayin'

I just don't think Sheard is a great player. He could develop into one but he isn't close at this point.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Don't cry Nors

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

And that one (I assume Morgan) we have "interest" in, yet he's visited the Falcons and now the Buccaneers.

But we got Jed Collins in to Valley Ranch. We are razor sharp in our precision in addressing priorities.

Did he mean Morgan... I was thinking Hardy.

 

[LittleD]

I just don't think Sheard is a great player. He could develop into one but he isn't close at this point.

I think he has more sacks than anyone on our current team. Now we can all sit back and wait for the Adrian Clayborn signing.

 

[LittleD]

This does not make sense. I have heard right here that Dallas is a grand stage with a great owner and charismatic head coach that everyone wants to play for and just get the star on their helmet.

Did you just wake up from a time warp. The last time that happened was 1995.

 

[Stash]

And that one (I assume Morgan) we have "interest" in, yet he's visited the Falcons and now the Buccaneers.

But we got Jed Collins in to Valley Ranch. We are razor sharp in our precision in addressing priorities.

Actually I was referring to Hardy. A 6 sack guy like Morgan isn't what I would call a pass rusher.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I just don't think Sheard is a great player. He could develop into one but he isn't close at this point.

He's not a great player but he's the type of player you try to sign for about $5 mil a year on a one or two year contract. Michael Bennett was coming off his best season (9 sacks) when the Seahawks signed him to a one year $4.8 mil contract, but they got him for cheap because prior to that he had 6 combined sacks in 4 years in the league. Not a proven player but a player that showed potential who they could get for cheap. They got him and it paid off. Sheard has a similar career and potential to Bennett when Seattle signed him. It might not work out for the Patriots, but it won't destroy their cap if it doesn't work out. There's a lot more to gain in a signing like Sheard than there is to lose in a signing like Suh. Good teams draft well and sign guys like Sheard.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He's not a great player but he's the type of player you try to sign for about $5 mil a year on a one or two year contract. Michael Bennett was coming off his best season (9 sacks) when the Seahawks signed him to a one year $4.8 mil contract, but they got him for cheap because prior to that he had 6 combined sacks in 4 years in the league. Not a proven player but a player that showed potential who they could get for cheap. They got him and it paid off. Sheard has a similar career and potential to Bennett when Seattle signed him. It might not work out for the Patriots, but it won't destroy their cap if it doesn't work out. There's a lot more to gain in a signing like Sheard than there is to lose in a signing like Suh. Good teams draft well and sign guys like Sheard.

Sheard may have the potential that Bennett did, but performance wise over the last two years, there's no comparison.

Bennett had 9 sacks, 14 QB hits and 48 pressures in 2012 for Tampa Bay.

Sheard had 2 sacks, 4 QB hits and 24 pressures in about 80% of the snaps that Bennett did in 2012.

Bennett was the far more polished player.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Not a lot of options left now

 

[boysfanindc]

Would have liked to bring him in, Morgan/Hardy.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Sheard may have the potential that Bennett did, but performance wise over the last two years, there's no comparison.

Bennett had 9 sacks, 14 QB hits and 48 pressures in 2012 for Tampa Bay.

Sheard had 2 sacks, 4 QB hits and 24 pressures in about 80% of the snaps that Bennett did in 2012.

Bennett was the far more polished player.

Sheard also had 8.5 sacks as a rookie and 7 sacks as a sophomore in the 4-3. He had his worst year (2 sacks) last year in the 3-4. His years in the 4-3 are a more accurate comparison, and his production in the 4-3 early in his career was far better than Bennett's.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Sheard also had 8.5 sacks as a rookie and 7 sacks as a sophomore in the 4-3. He had his worst year (2 sacks) last year in the 3-4. His years in the 4-3 are a more accurate comparison, and his production in the 4-3 early in his career was far better than Bennett's.

That was three years ago... Plus NE runs a 3-4 a lot, so Sheard is going to be back at OLB.

Hey, it's like this, I like Sheard, but he's not some automatic "10 sack a year guy".

 

[BigStar]

I still think JJ's one big splash will be Hardy, and we'll also have to spend a bit to retain RoMac.

I've noticed Dallas PR has turned re-signings into FA signings. Yes, technically they are FAs, only bc the org didn't have the foresight to work out deals before they expire. This doesn't relate to the one year deals where you can't resign long term but the Dez, Murray, Free, Barber type of deals where earlier deals would have prevented the team from being in the predicament to overpay to retain them. Lee was just a terrible contract and doesn't fit the mentioned players drafted by the team above. Did Carr scar them that bad?

 

[Doc50]

I've noticed Dallas PR has turned re-signings into FA signings. Yes, technically they are FAs, only bc the org didn't have the foresight to work out deals before they expire. This doesn't relate to the one year deals where you can't resign long term but the Dez, Murray, Free, Barber type of deals where earlier deals would have prevented the team from being in the predicament to overpay to retain them. Lee was just a terrible contract and doesn't fit the mentioned players drafted by the team above. Did Carr scar them that bad?

I think when you go all in to sign a player before he hits FA, there is certainly the chance that his market value a year later will be lower, and you find you've overpaid -- could be higher as well, so it's a calculated risk. I'd offer just slightly more than the predicted market value, just because time is money, and if the player & agent don't accept the deal, then testing FA is just another step in the negotiation process.

 

[jterrell]

This does not make sense. I have heard right here that Dallas is a grand stage with a great owner and charismatic head coach that everyone wants to play for and just get the star on their helmet.

you might have also heard SEA was a dumpster fire not long ago.
and they were getting great value signings before they were in super bowls... that's how you get there.

dallas is on the right track.
there are a lot of other orgs wishing they had the youngest team in the league and coming off 13 wins.

 

[jterrell]

I've noticed Dallas PR has turned re-signings into FA signings. Yes, technically they are FAs, only bc the org didn't have the foresight to work out deals before they expire. This doesn't relate to the one year deals where you can't resign long term but the Dez, Murray, Free, Barber type of deals where earlier deals would have prevented the team from being in the predicament to overpay to retain them. Lee was just a terrible contract and doesn't fit the mentioned players drafted by the team above. Did Carr scar them that bad?

Resignings are a big deal. The talent you draft and key is huge for any team's success.
They celebrate the same moves other places.

You sign guys early to lock them up at reasonable rates. You can't always get that bargain rate.

With a guy like Barber or Austin, Dallas probably should have pushed themselves away from the table.
But those last years of the contract were career years.
The players motivated by future paychecks really delivered at a high level.
Not certain removing that motivation is always a good move.