Jags vs. Titans Game Thread

[TheRomoSexual]

This shows how little you pay attention. Bortles efficiency metrics were bad with a ton of his counting stats coming late in games after they were decided.

I even made that point earlier in the year and people tried to shout me down.

As to the Ramsey bashing....he was the better long term pick. RB position is fungible and an injury prone position.

Ramsey has been good this year. He's going to get better. And he's likely to play longer at a higher level than Zeke will. People who say we had to get Zeke to have this type of running game ignore we had a special one in 2014 with a 3rd round back. And the two best rbs in football (Bell and D.Johnson) went outside of the first round yet alone not in the top 5.

I realize you're going to stick to this position until you die. And I won't convince you otherwise, just like you won't convince me that it's not silly to argue that one position will last longer while simultaneously arguing that the position takes longer to develop.

But honestly answer me this -- if we drafted Ramsey, do you think we'd be 5-1?

 

[jazzcat22]

Though I really didn't want a RB after Zeke or Henry, would have rolled the dice with another year of McFadden....then looked for the 2017 draft for Formette....but if they did take a RB later Yeldon would have been the 3rd RB at the right pick.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I realize you're going to stick to this position until you die. And I won't convince you otherwise, just like you won't convince me that it's not silly to argue that one position will last longer while simultaneously arguing that the position takes longer to develop.

But honestly answer me this -- if we drafted Ramsey, do you think we'd be 5-1?

Yes. I do.

The first two games of the season we went 1-1 with the one loss obviously being by a single point. Zeke was borderline awful both of those games. So one we lost where perhaps a more patient would have caused us to win. The other game we won despite Zeke being an average runner and putting the ball on the ground. Zeke has broken just 11 tackles this year. The one thing we would be missing was that 60 yard explosion he had from competent runner.

I maintain the prudent thing would have been to bring in Lamar Miller at half the cost of Zeke while drafting defensive help.

Zeke being productive in our offense isn't surprsing. He has to be what he currently is for over a decade to just justify the pick. And that is just unlikely for his position.

 

[dallasdave]

My God the Jaguars suck.

And to think Gus Bradley was the 2nd choice when the Eagles hired Chip Kelly.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Yes. I do.

The first two games of the season we went 1-1 with the one loss obviously being by a single point. Zeke was borderline awful both of those games. So one we lost where perhaps a more patient would have caused us to win. The other game we won despite Zeke being an average runner and putting the ball on the ground. Zeke has broken just 11 tackles this year. The one thing we would be missing was that 60 yard explosion he had from competent runner.

I maintain the prudent thing would have been to bring in Lamar Miller at half the cost of Zeke while drafting defensive help.

Zeke being productive in our offense isn't surprsing. He has to be what he currently is for over a decade to just justify the pick. And that is just unlikely for his position.

Well, then we just have a basic disagreement. Zeke has been out of this world better than Miller in my opinion, and I think we'd probably be 3-3 without Zeke. And no, Zeke has not been "borderline awful" in any game -- that's a silly statement.

And no, he doesn't have to be elite for a decade to "justify" the pick. Again, what difference does it really make if he retires after 7-10 years of elite production vs. a CB who becomes above-average after the same amount of time? Do I really need to link the article proving that CBs peak at 27 and fall off at 30?

 

[Stash]

Aaahhhhh! Matt Cassel sighting!

 

[dallasdave]

I'll tell you what, the NFL knows how to schedule. This game is riveting. They should flex Cleveland and Buffalo in week 15 to Sunday night.

 

[Deep_South]

Wow, just found out the Commanders-Bengals game is at 0830 on Sunday. (Go Bengals!) Twelve hours later we have the Cowboys-Beagles at 8:30 pm. In between locally are the Seahawks-Saints at 1200 and the Packers-Falcons at 3:25. This will probably be the first time I've ever had breakfast at halftime.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yes. I do.

The first two games of the season we went 1-1 with the one loss obviously being by a single point. Zeke was borderline awful both of those games. So one we lost where perhaps a more patient would have caused us to win. The other game we won despite Zeke being an average runner and putting the ball on the ground. Zeke has broken just 11 tackles this year. The one thing we would be missing was that 60 yard explosion he had from competent runner.

I maintain the prudent thing would have been to bring in Lamar Miller at half the cost of Zeke while drafting defensive help.

Zeke being productive in our offense isn't surprsing. He has to be what he currently is for over a decade to just justify the pick. And that is just unlikely for his position.

It's completely mind-numbing that people watched a 2015 season in which a washed up 28-year old running back in the wrong system suddenly rush for 1,000+ yards in 11 starts at a 4.6 YPC clip WITHOUT the benefit of anything remotely acceptable running the offense at QB.

Yet, it's somehow far-fetched for some to think we couldn't have found a more talented running (than DMac) in either free agency or later in the draft or Alfred Morris to team with Romo or Dak and found similar success.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yes. I do.

The first two games of the season we went 1-1 with the one loss obviously being by a single point. Zeke was borderline awful both of those games. So one we lost where perhaps a more patient would have caused us to win. The other game we won despite Zeke being an average runner and putting the ball on the ground. Zeke has broken just 11 tackles this year. The one thing we would be missing was that 60 yard explosion he had from competent runner.

I maintain the prudent thing would have been to bring in Lamar Miller at half the cost of Zeke while drafting defensive help.

Zeke being productive in our offense isn't surprsing. He has to be what he currently is for over a decade to just justify the pick. And that is just unlikely for his position.

Miller would have cost more cap dollars. Also Zeke gets the dirty yards.....he can take a hit that would be a1 yard gain, or a 1 yard loss and turn it into a 3 yard gain...and that is important. Can Miller do that?

Also in the score right before half, at GB. It was Zeke that got us away from the goal line with those dirty uards to set up the Lucky Whitehead jet sweep. As he also nearly broke that first run for a 97 yard TD run.

Also later in the 2nd half on one of the drives, when he hurdled the GB player, he was hit in mid air, and it did not change his path, he took the hit, did not move, landed and took a defender for another 4 or 5 yards....can Miller do that....

 

[TheRomoSexual]

It's completely mind-numbing that people watched a 2015 season in which a washed up 28-year old running back in the wrong system suddenly rush for 1,000+ yards in 11 starts at a 4.6 YPC clip WITHOUT the benefit of anything remotely acceptable running the offense at QB.

Yet, it's somehow far-fetched to think that we could have found a more talented running (than DMac) in either free agency or later in the draft or Alfred Morris to team with Romo or Dak and found success.

Who is arguing that we couldn't have found someone better than DMac? What a stupid argument. We drafted Zeke because he's an elite prospect, not because he's merely "better" than DMac.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Miller would have cost more cap dollars. Also Zeke gets the dirty yards.....he can take a hit that would be a1 yard gain, or a 1 yard loss and turn it into a 3 yard gain...and that is important. Can Miller do that?

Also in the score right before half, at GB. It was Zeke that got us away from the goal line with those dirty uards to set up the Lucky Whitehead jet sweep. As he also nearly broke that first run for a 97 yard TD run.

Also later in the 2nd half on one of the drives, when he hurdled the GB player, he was hit in mid air, and it did not change his path, he took the hit, did not move, landed and took a defender for another 4 or 5 yards....can Miller do that....

So now we're counting yards that didn't actually happen (97-yarder), lol?

The reason why he didn't fall when he was hit in the air was because he landed on Swaim who was blocking a defender.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Miller would have cost more cap dollars. Also Zeke gets the dirty yards.....he can take a hit that would be a1 yard gain, or a 1 yard loss and turn it into a 3 yard gain...and that is important. Can Miller do that?

Also in the score right before half, at GB. It was Zeke that got us away from the goal line with those dirty uards to set up the Lucky Whitehead jet sweep. As he also nearly broke that first run for a 97 yard TD run.

Also later in the 2nd half on one of the drives, when he hurdled the GB player, he was hit in mid air, and it did not change his path, he took the hit, did not move, landed and took a defender for another 4 or 5 yards....can Miller do that....

Miller got less guaranteed money. For the same number of years. You can move the cap charges around however you want.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

So now we're counting yards that didn't actually happen (97-yarder), lol?

The reason why he didn't fall when he was hit in the air was because he landed on Swaim who was blocking a defender.

Are you really arguing against Zeke when he's leading the NFL in rushing as a rookie and is on pace to break the rookie rushing record? lol

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Who is arguing that we couldn't have found someone better than DMac? What a stupid argument. We drafted Zeke because he's an elite prospect, not because he's merely "better" than DMac.

Keep up with the conversation Donk.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It's completely mind-numbing that people watched a 2015 season in which a washed up 28-year old running back in the wrong system suddenly rush for 1,000+ yards in 11 starts at a 4.6 YPC clip WITHOUT the benefit of anything remotely acceptable running the offense at QB.

Yet, it's somehow far-fetched for some to think we couldn't have found a more talented running (than DMac) in either free agency or later in the draft or Alfred Morris to team with Romo or Dak and found similar success.

The cognitive dissonance is incredible.

In some ways I get it though. People always get on Jerry for liking shiny toys...but it's really the fans who enjoy the bling.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The cognitive dissonance is incredible.

Cognitive dissonance? "You keep using those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean."

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The cognitive dissonance is incredible.

In some ways I get it though. People always get on Jerry for liking shiny toys...but it's really the fans who enjoy the bling.

"Momma!?! What's congenital distances?" ---Romosexual [yelling upstairs from the basement]

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Cognitive dissonance? "You keep using those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean."

No I very much was intentional with my diction.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yes. I do.

The first two games of the season we went 1-1 with the one loss obviously being by a single point. Zeke was borderline awful both of those games. So one we lost where perhaps a more patient would have caused us to win. The other game we won despite Zeke being an average runner and putting the ball on the ground. Zeke has broken just 11 tackles this year. The one thing we would be missing was that 60 yard explosion he had from competent runner.

I maintain the prudent thing would have been to bring in Lamar Miller at half the cost of Zeke while drafting defensive help.

Zeke being productive in our offense isn't surprsing. He has to be what he currently is for over a decade to just justify the pick. And that is just unlikely for his position.

Also what is the definition of a broken tackle....in the grasp and breaks free...runnnng over a defender.....I used to see defenders try to reach in and grab Emmitt, get a tug on a jersey, Emmitt runs on through it, and the announcers would say he broke a tackle.....but really did he?
Where did this 11 seat number come from.....and is it a real number?