Jamaica Rector

[Baileyneverfailey]

Yeah, I figured the coaches had to know something I didn't, but I have a feeling if given the chance this guy could become a player. It may not be here, but we'll see I guess. In terms of him being stymied by corners, I don't put any stock in saying a receiver is too small.

In today's NFL, corners can't physically dominate guys past five yards, so tiny guys like Steve Smith and Santana Moss can dominate with their quickness. Small does not mean a guy can't play.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, I figured the coaches had to know something I didn't, but I have a feeling if given the chance this guy could become a player..

Why do you believe he hasn't had a "chance"? Why is that usually the tendency to assume when a favorite doesn't make it?

Does Rector bear no responsibility? Is he being oppressed in some way that the rest of us do not know about?

Hurd and Austin seized their chances. This will be Rector's third camp. When is it going to dawn on someone that maybe he has had plenty of chances and just isn't taking them?

He's had three chances to make it. The punt returner job has been there for the taking for a while. I don't believe he has any excuses, nor has he been denied any opportunity. Particularly with Coach Parcells, who really liked him personally. Just like he did with others who he eventually had to give up on even though he liked them.

 

[Stash]

Obviously, all you need to know is that he's a fringe player who can look decent against bad competition in the preseason.

And that should be somehow held against him?

He made plays when given the opportunity - end of story.

I don't know who he was playing against and I really don't care.

That's something neither he nor I can control.

All I know is that I saw a guy who came up big each time he had the chance.

 

[Stash]

Why do you believe he hasn't had a "chance"? Why is that usually the tendency to assume when a favorite doesn't make it?

Does Rector bear no responsibility? Is he being oppressed in some way that the rest of us do not know about?

Hurd and Austin seized their chances. This will be Rector's third camp. When is it going to dawn on someone that maybe he has had plenty of chances and just isn't taking them?

He's had three chances to make it. The punt returner job has been there for the taking for a while. I don't believe he has any excuses, nor has he been denied any opportunity. Particularly with Coach Parcells, who really liked him personally. Just like he did with others who he eventually had to give up on even though he liked them.

I seem to remember a certain team's staff giving up on another receiver - a guy named Jimmy Smith.

And before anyone starts, I'm not comparing the player's talent levels or situations, just pointing out the fact that even the coaches aren't infallable.

I don't claim to know more than a coach, I'm just going by what I saw last year - a guy who continually made plays when he got the opportunity.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I beleive they felt Hurd had more upside and would rather have risked Rector.

 

[jobberone]

Personally I think Dallas does have a bias against small and quick WRs. Glenn is here because he's proven and was a Parcells acquistion.

There are obviously more reasons than that, if a bias truly does exist, for Rector to be PS material at best so far.

If he were the answer at PR then we'd not have wasted a pick last year on Green. Or perhaps this year on Stanback. Not saying he's a waste but he's here more for STs play right now than anything else. Maybe Rector has the moves but can't catch the ball. There are guys who just can't catch a punt well. Maybe he doesn't see the field well. Not everyone can see where an opening is going to be and run to it. I don't know but he's not a ST demon. If the 4th and 5th WRs can't play STs then they probably aren't going to make it.

Others are right. He'll have a heck of a time getting a job here. I agree with some about going to another team that isn't loaded at WR.

You're right. Coaches don't always get it right. But Rector has been around long enough that it's mighty unlikely he's a diamond in the rough. I'd like to have someone with the quicks on this team outside of Glenn though.

 

[DeaconBlues]

I seem to remember a certain team's staff giving up on another receiver - a guy named Jimmy Smith.

And before anyone starts, I'm not comparing the player's talent levels or situations, just pointing out the fact that even the coaches aren't infallable.

Except the coaches didn't make the decision on Smith - the doctors did.

Please repeat after me:

(1) Jimmy Smith was cut because he was consistently injured. Not because he did not have talent.

(2) It took Smith 3 years to get completely healthy, including a stint with Philly, where he was cut.

There is not a single team in the NFL that will wait 3 years for a player to get healthy, 5 years if you include the two with Dallas prior.

Jimmy Smith is not an example of coaches missing talent.

 

[Stash]

Except the coaches didn't make the decision on Smith - the doctors did.

Please repeat after me:

(1) Jimmy Smith was cut because he was consistently injured. Not because he did not have talent.

(2) It took Smith 3 years to get completely healthy, including a stint with Philly, where he was cut.

There is not a single team in the NFL that will wait 3 years for a player to get healthy, 5 years if you include the two with Dallas prior.

Jimmy Smith is not an example of coaches missing talent.

Nice diagnosis of his 'stomach ache' too - don't forget that.

That point that just flew over your head is that everybody makes mistakes - even you apparently.

 

[Alexander]

I seem to remember a certain team's staff giving up on another receiver - a guy named Jimmy Smith.

:laugh2:

So now he's even in the same universe as Jimmy Smith?

Incredible.

We gave up on Jimmy Smith for medical reasons, as he had a colostomy and we didn't think he would ever play again and things got ugly.

That's a far cry from Rector's case of not cutting it after two consecutive failed attempts to make the final roster or even stick on the practice squad.

I don't claim to know more than a coach, I'm just going by what I saw last year - a guy who continually made plays when he got the opportunity.

Against preseason talent.

Obviously the plays weren't enough. They saw things in practice and otherwise that lead them to the same conclusion as the previous year, nice but sorry.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I guess I just mean if he had a chance to play in a regular season game, but there's a lot that goes into getting there. It's on him to do it I know, I just saw flashes that got me excited.

 

[Stash]

:laugh2:

So now he's even in the same universe as Jimmy Smith?

Incredible.

Nice try. I qualified the example, but I guess you missed it - figures.

We gave up on Jimmy Smith for medical reasons, as he had a colostomy and we didn't think he would ever play again and things got ugly.

Didn't say why we gave up on Smith, only pointed out that it was a mistake and that NFL staffs aren't infallable.

That's a far cry from Rector's case of not cutting it after two consecutive failed attempts to make the final roster or even stick on the practice squad.

Show me where he didn't 'cut it.' The fact is that the guy made plays whenever he had the chance.

Against preseason talent.

Again, that's his fault? Amazing!

If the guy didn't make plays, then you'd have something to complain about. He can't control who he's playing against. The only thing he can control is what he does when he does get the chance.

Obviously the plays weren't enough. They saw things in practice and otherwise that lead them to the same conclusion as the previous year, nice but sorry.

And as we've all clearly seen, they can never make mistakes. Oh, wait a minute.......

 

[DeaconBlues]

Nice diagnosis of his 'stomach ache' too - don't forget that.

That point that just flew over your head is that everybody makes mistakes - even you apparently.

Way to backpeddle, but thats not what you said. Quote:

"I seem to remember a certain team's staff giving up on another receiver"

No one on the Dallas staff made a mistake. He was not release because of talent, but because he was constantly injured. And again, please note that it took 3 years for him to play during a regular season game.

If you still believe it was a "mistake" by the coaching staff not to retain him, please back it up by naming any player that was kept on the roster and payroll for three years while injured and unable to play.

 

[conner01]

He was the opposite of Stanback, he was small and weak, he would have been stymied by corners in the league let alone a safety or LB.

weak? he was the strongest guy pound for pound on the team

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I thought Parcells said on multiple occasions that Rector was the strongest guy on the team, pound-for-pound ....????

The old Parcell's kiss of death.............remember Daleroy Stewart and how BP said he was the future stud of the DL in Dallas. One week later he was cut and never heard from again.

Rector actually made the roster last year, and played in the first game over Austin and Hurd. He returned punts and was never active again, and cut a few weeks later.

So obviously he wasn't making plays everytime he played, at least not against the big boys.

 

[Alexander]

Nice try. I qualified the example, but I guess you missed it - figures.

The situation wasn't even in the same realm as your typical release or "giving up on a player" as you like to put it.

Rector is nothing like Smith's case. It's not a case of just "making a mistake" as you maintain.

There were concrete reasons why Smith was released. Hence, not even the same universe.

You should feel honored I even bothered to give you the benefit of the doubt in being able to distinguish the difference in talent.

Didn't say why we gave up on Smith, only pointed out that it was a mistake and that NFL staffs aren't infallable.

So, we have "made a mistake" twice?

Anyone could have signed this playmaking machine for the last two years. Yet, no one has bothered. But that doesn't faze you, obviously.

Show me where he didn't 'cut it.' The fact is that the guy made plays whenever he had the chance.

He didn't cut it. He didn't make the team. End of story. I don't know how else you would qualify the statement.

Again, that's his fault? Amazing!

Is it easier to blame the staff for making a mistake rather than realize that a two time training camp causalty is just not good enough? I guess so.

Fault, that's a funny one. It's not his fault? Again, are you aware of some sort of irrational bias or oppressive attitude we have towards this player?

Or could it be that your lay evaluations of him "making plays" doesn't impress those who get paid to make those decisions?

Again, it's not a one shot. He's had TWO camps to make his impression. And he's failed. Both times.

If the guy didn't make plays, then you'd have something to complain about. He can't control who he's playing against. The only thing he can control is what he does when he does get the chance.

So, you are saying he did everything perfectly and did everything asked? So the team is just foolish, because?

Unlike you, I will play the odds. Chances are, a two time cut who doesn't get an opportunity elsewhere in two years isn't just some oppressed super talent who has done everything asked and is being overlooked. Sorry.

Had even one team signed him (as often is the case), I would feel less certain.

And as we've all clearly seen, they can never make mistakes. Oh, wait a minute.......

And the few times we have over the last five years or so numbers how many?

How many times have we missed out on a talent in recent years? The landscape is littered with training camp heroes just like this player. Most aren't setting the league on fire. Many aren't even on another NFL roster.

But by all means, continue defending your armchair preseason analysis of him being a dynamic playmaker that's just being bypassed. It really makes sense.

 

[Stash]

Way to backpeddle, but thats not what you said. Quote:

"I seem to remember a certain team's staff giving up on another receiver"

No one on the Dallas staff made a mistake. He was not release because of talent, but because he was constantly injured. And again, please note that it took 3 years for him to play during a regular season game.

If you still believe it was a "mistake" by the coaching staff not to retain him, please back it up by naming any player that was kept on the roster and payroll for three years while injured and unable to play.

If you don't think the Cowboys giving up on Jimmy Smith was a mistake, nothing I can post here will change your mind.

And that was precisely my point, that the people in Dallas are fully capable of making mistakes.

 

[Alexander]

If you don't think the Cowboys giving up on Jimmy Smith was a mistake, nothing I can post here will change your mind.

Especially since this circumstance has nothing in common with it, you are correct. You cannot change someone's mind when what you are arguing makes no inituitive sense.

If Smith had spent two camps with the Cowboys and been cut at the end of each, you'd have a leg to stand on.

 

[Stash]

The situation wasn't even in the same realm as your typical release or "giving up on a player" as you like to put it.

Rector is nothing like Smith's case. It's not a case of just "making a mistake" as you maintain.

There were concrete reasons why Smith was released. Hence, not even the same universe.

You should feel honored I even bothered to give you the benefit of the doubt in being able to distinguish the difference in talent.

Sorry, there's nothing you can "give" me that I could care less about. Hate to bruise your 'internet know-it-all' ego....

So, we have "made a mistake" twice?

Anyone could have signed this playmaking machine for the last two years. Yet, no one has bothered. But that doesn't faze you, obviously.

Like anyone could have signed Kurt Warner or any other undrafted player who has made a solid career for themselves?

He didn't cut it. He didn't make the team. End of story. I don't know how else you would qualify the statement.

I'm qualifying it in that I think the guy is a quality player who should be on the roster - nothing more, nothing less. It seems that your ego makes you incapable of realizing that not every opinion jives with yours.

Is it easier to blame the staff for making a mistake rather than realize that a two time training camp causalty is just not good enough? I guess so.

About as funny as not being capable of distinguishing one man's opinion from another I guess.

Fault, that's a funny one. It's not his fault? Again, are you aware of some sort of irrational bias or oppressive attitude we have towards this player?

Only yours. You somehow have no trouble using the quality of the guys playing opposite Rector against him somehow. But that's supposed to be okay, right?

Or could it be that your lay evaluations of him "making plays" doesn't impress those who get paid to make those decisions?

About as much as yours does, I guess.

Again, it's not a one shot. He's had TWO camps to make his impression. And he's failed. Both times.

Yet he's still 'sticking around' so he can't be that 'terrible' I guess.

So, you are saying he did everything perfectly and did everything asked? So the team is just foolish, because?

Reading is fundamental. Show me where I said anything close to that. I said I saw a player who made plays whenever he got the chance.

Unlike you, I will play the odds. Chances are, a two time cut who doesn't get an opportunity elsewhere in two years isn't just some oppressed super talent who has done everything asked and is being overlooked. Sorry.

Seems more like you have an unfounded, overinflated opinion of yourself and your opinion to me.

Had even one team signed him (as often is the case), I would feel less certain.

How you 'feel' matters about as much as how I feel, see where I'm going?

And the few times we have over the last five years or so numbers how many?

Good thing you qualified your question with the 'five years' part.

How many times have we missed out on a talent in recent years? The landscape is littered with training camp heroes just like this player. Most aren't setting the league on fire. Many aren't even on another NFL roster.

But by all means, continue defending your armchair preseason analysis of him being a dynamic playmaker that's just being bypassed. It really makes sense.

And by all means, continue your pompous tirade. Your 'schtick' is past getting old and there are plenty of others who do it better.

At least, my position has some merit in terms of the numbers the guy put up and the tapes of the games he played in. The great part about your stance is that it requires no substantial proof.

 

[Stash]

Especially since this circumstance has nothing in common with it, you are correct. You cannot change someone's mind when what you are arguing makes no inituitive sense.

If Smith had spent two camps with the Cowboys and been cut at the end of each, you'd have a leg to stand on.

The point was about the team being entirely capable of making a mistake. I attempted to qualify the example just for the 'special' posters like yourself, but as usual, you see what you want to see.

And I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. You have every right to your opinion and so does M'Kevon. And so do I.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think once the season started and Rector basically turned into a pumpkin, that Parcells decided that the game was too big for him.(at least at that time)