James Washington please

Hardline said:
He's not worth the 19th pick and will get taken long before the 50th pick.
He's basically in no man's land for the Cowboys.
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I didn't see the senior bowl but wasn't there reports he didn't do well? If so guys like Miller, Kirk, Sutton and Ridley will all go before him which would push him to round 2
 
cnuball21 said:
I like Washington but just not in the 1st. I know the route tree is limited, but reports were pretty good about him having a solid senior bowl week creating seperation and displaying good hands. I'm not sure what he'll run, but the dude obviously has game speed and he's a finisher.

I've been big on Sutton since the get go, as I think he might have the highest ceiling for WRs in the draft, but his timed speed will be what everyone's watching. Originally I was thinking he was a top 15 pick but after hearing about a concern in his speed he might be more of a bottom of the 1st early 2nd guy.
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I like Sutton as well and reports are that he said he will run a 4.4. I think he ran in the 4.5 already
 
Irvin88_4life said:
I didn't see the senior bowl but wasn't there reports he didn't do well? If so guys like Miller, Kirk, Sutton and Ridley will all go before him which would push him to round 2
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Some fun tidbits:

Gil Brandt

✔@Gil_Brandt

Highest speed reached at Tuesday's practices was by @CowboyFB WR James Washington (21.25 mph). By comparison, top speed reached by ballcarrier in NFL game in 2017, per Next Gen Stats, was Leonard Fournette's 22.05 mph. https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/956279764213366784 …

PFF also had him at 10 for 12 on his catches against 1v1 press coverage during practice ( some are concerned on his ability to beat press at the next level).

Also - not sure if you tune into the Cowboys Draft show but they also had good things to say about his senior bowl performance, talking about his ability to win with speed and quickness in his routes and the ability to snatch the ball with his hands away from his body.
 
Irvin88_4life said:
I like Sutton as well and reports are that he said he will run a 4.4. I think he ran in the 4.5 already
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If Sutton does end up running a sub 4.5 I think it could be the difference in him going in the 1st and 2nd.

If he runs a 4.4ish, I think he'll fly off the board.

Another guy I can't wait to see at the combine is Eq. St. Brown.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Lends some credence to my hunch that Washington isn't going to time well at the Combine. Fournette ran a 4.51 last year in Indy.
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I'm not so sure it matters for a guy like Washington, teams have a ton of tape on him creating seperation and blowing by DB's for the last few years. I think 40 is a lot more important for the WR's where the speed is a question on tape or they come from a smaller program (Sutton, Gallup, etc...).

I'll also add that a 4.51 for a RB weighing 230+ is exceptional.
 
cnuball21 said:
I'm not so sure it matters for a guy like Washington, teams have a ton of tape on him creating seperation and blowing by DB's for the last few years. I think 40 is a lot more important for the WR's where the speed is a question on tape or they come from a smaller program (Sutton, Gallup, etc...).

I'll also add that a 4.51 for a RB weighing 230+ is exceptional.
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Like I was mentioning earlier, I think a lot of Washington's success was a product of the passing attack OSU runs. Fournette ran a 4.51 at 240 lbs which is great for a big RB. I was simply making the contrast that when a 240 lbs RB has a higher top end speed than a 210 lbs wideout, it's not a good indicator.
 
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CalPolyTechnique said:
Like I was mentioning earlier, I think a lot of Washington's success was due to the passing attack OSU ran. Fournette ran a 4.51 at 240 lbs which is great for a big RB. I was simply making the contrast that when a 240 lbs RB has a higher top end speed than a 210 lbs wideout, it's not a good indicator.
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Yup - the concern with him will be understanding an NFL playbook and being able to run quality routes. He did a great job with it in a short week at the senior bowl so that could translate to the next level.

What you can't teach is his game speed, his ability to finish and his large/strong hands.

If we want a WR, and he's available in the 2nd, I'd certainly consider him as a viable option.
 
cnuball21 said:
If Sutton does end up running a sub 4.5 I think it could be the difference in him going in the 1st and 2nd.

If he runs a 4.4ish, I think he'll fly off the board.

Another guy I can't wait to see at the combine is Eq. St. Brown.
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I agree. Sutton running at the combine will be huge in where he is drafted
 
cnuball21 said:
Watch the tape- he faced a lot of off coverage where DB's gave him a cushion respecting his speed and he still blew by everyone.
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I watched the tape bro. I need validation from his combine. Shelton Gibson was blowing by guys in college too. He ran a low 4.5 and faded in Philly
 
stilltheguru88 said:
I watched the tape bro. I need validation from his combine. Shelton Gibson was blowing by guys in college too. He ran a low 4.5 and faded in Philly
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Gibson's scouting reports read focus issues and inconsistent hands...his speed wasn't the problem.
 
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