Jane Slater: Player has concern that Dak panics when 1st read not there

[nate dizzle]

Funny, he didn’t panic during the season. It’s not like he was passing to his first read. All season he was given credit for having complete control of the offense and reading defenses, moving guys around, and going through his progressions. I’m going to bet that wasn’t Ferguson, Lamb, or Cooks.

We faced the softest schedule in the league for pass defense DVOA. It was a mirage. Ya been duped.

 

[Nav22]

If you can’t see that Dak’s stats are misleading, then you are delusional. Three years in a row, Dak has been exposed in playoff games. Since you are a stats fan, how much did those stats matter against GB? Dak really had nice stats the last six minutes of the game. The Cowboys took beatdowns from the 49ers, Cards, Bills, etc and in all of those games Dak was ineffective at best. The blueprint for rattling Dak is simple, make Dak beat you and you will win. How many more embarrassing playoff games do you have to see before you wise up?

What the hell are you even talking about?

"Misleading" how?

Since YOU brought up regular season games, does he get credit for the good games he played in as well? Or those don't count because of what happened in the playoffs?

He went 12-5 and was excellent overall in doing so.

There's no such thing as an All-Pro QB who isn't a very good QB, but it's cute when know-nothing fans try to pretend otherwise. I'll give you that.

"Make Dak beat you and you'll win".... we literally led the league in scoring with a mediocre run game. How do you think that happened?

Who can you credit for that while still being able to trash the QB with an NFL-high 36 passing TDs?

I remember when you used to say it was all Zeke LMAAOOO!

 

[LittleD]

It's way past time for Fat Mike and Dakota to take that bus ride to Green Bay and have a Miller Lite. They can afford it on Jerry's checkbook.

 

[nate dizzle]

where is the Dak friendly system?

Mississippi St.

 

[nate dizzle]

#2 in Total QBR, #2 in NFL MVP odds, NFL-high 36 TD and 9 INT.

You don't have to lie and exaggerate to make your point. He was outstanding in the regular season and terrible Sunday vs the Packers.

See thread on DVOA.

 

[Redline360]

We have been saying this for years. Dak is not the quarterback to step up and win games. He's a glorified fantasy football quarterback as my father puts it.

While he had a phenomenal regular season (who cares in the long run) he's just an above average quarterback who shows flashes of MVP level stuff that completely folds in big games.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Before the pick 6 he threw interception #1 and gave them good field position.

Besides that he couldn't freaking score.

He almost threw 2 other interceptions.

You guys keep defending him, how much evidence do we need to show you that he is not the answer. He is a born mediocre QB.

The only thing left we can do is come back here after he is done in this league and write a big told ya so to fans like you.

How am I defending him when I said he sucked? Lol….don’t lump me in with others. The defense allowed 1 punt the whole day. There’s no big “I told you so” if you’re only measuring stick for if a quarterback is good or not is “did he win a super bowl”. If that’s the litmus than guys like Marino aren’t good quarterbacks.

Now dak couldn’t sniff Mariano’s jock but even all time great qb’s like Bree’s, Rodgers, have only won 1 Super Bowl and why? Because it’s extremely hard to do. That’s an idiots argument. The defense yesterday was horrendous- dak was terrible but even with good quarterback play they aren’t winning that game. They couldn’t stop the packers to save their lives. It started drive 1 and continued the entire game.

I can say dak sucked and also realize other things that happened in the game, people like you can only realize dak sucked and ignore the rest bc they only want it to be about 1 thing. Small minds.

 

[FoxF]

First a positive article on MM and then points the finger at Dak. Agenda here.

 

[BoysForLife]

I'm realistic and always have been.

Dak's a very good QB, so I'll defend him when people try to say "he sucks" or "he's average". All-Pro QBs don't grow on trees. He was outstanding in the regular season.

Dak also played like total garbage Sunday vs the Packers, for the 1st half at least. Him and the defense took turns blowing it, until the deficit got too big to overcome. He was much better in the 2nd half but his early mistakes were killer and he's as much to blame for the loss as anyone.

Both points can be true, and both points are true.

Can it also be true that this is pretty much who he's always been? (Feast on marginal teams when stakes are low and shrink like George Costanza in a hot tub when the lights get bright)

Why the venom all year towards people who reminded everyone of this?

 

[CowboyoWales]

I'm realistic and always have been.

Dak's a very good QB, so I'll defend him when people try to say "he sucks" or "he's average". All-Pro QBs don't grow on trees. He was outstanding in the regular season.

Dak also played like total garbage Sunday vs the Packers, for the 1st half at least. Him and the defense took turns blowing it, until the deficit got too big to overcome. He was much better in the 2nd half but his early mistakes were killer and he's as much to blame for the loss as anyone.

Both points can be true, and both points are true.

But you'll also have to agree that for the past three years we've gone out with Dak not able to step up. The two SF loses, he had the ball in his hands and failed to win/tie both games. The argument about Dak is diluted when fans bring up regular season performance.....that doesnt matter, it's his abilities in the play-offs that count. Time and time again he comes up short with the weight of expectation, which is compounded as soon as something goes wrong.

But to your final point, yes it's not all on him, however, he's paid a high % of the CAP and doesnt deliver.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

How am I defending him when I said he sucked? Lol….don’t lump me in with others. The defense allowed 1 punt the whole day. There’s no big “I told you so” if you’re only measuring stick for if a quarterback is good or not is “did he win a super bowl”. If that’s the litmus than guys like Marino aren’t good quarterbacks.

Now dak couldn’t sniff Mariano’s jock but even all time great qb’s like Bree’s, Rodgers, have only won 1 Super Bowl and why? Because it’s extremely hard to do. That’s an idiots argument. The defense yesterday was horrendous- dak was terrible but even with good quarterback play they aren’t winning that game. They couldn’t stop the packers to save their lives. It started drive 1 and continued the entire game.

I can say dak sucked and also realize other things that happened in the game, people like you can only realize dak sucked and ignore the rest bc they only want it to be about 1 thing. Small minds.

Read through all your posts in this thread. You are a Dak supporter and are passive aggressively defending him. It's clear as day and anyone else can see it.

You blanket it with a "Dak sucked yesterday" but no sh1t he sucked. You then proceed to pick apart all the reasons he sucked as it was mainly the defense fault.

The defense was terrible but I'm not worried about the defense long term. They showed in the last 2 playoffs against SF, they can do their job.

Dak shows his 4ss every year despite the team, HC, running back, defense, offensive weapons. When will you guys learn, Dak only works in certain scenarios but is a no show in big games or games where the script isn't read to him.

 

[Hadenough]

It's just a matter of time. I told people when McCarthy was hired Dak was gonna get him fired.

 

[BoysForLife]

I'm realistic and always have been.

Dak's a very good QB, so I'll defend him when people try to say "he sucks" or "he's average". All-Pro QBs don't grow on trees. He was outstanding in the regular season.

Dak also played like total garbage Sunday vs the Packers, for the 1st half at least. Him and the defense took turns blowing it, until the deficit got too big to overcome. He was much better in the 2nd half but his early mistakes were killer and he's as much to blame for the loss as anyone.

Both points can be true, and both points are true.

Also, the more I think about it--I'm not buying this "realist" angle.

I remember a post you made midseason when the team was rolling (I think it got deleted because it came off the rails fast) but you posted the question "Who deserves the credit for this Cowboys dominant stretch" and I don't remember you talking team game then. We had the 5th ranked defense this year in yards allowed, don't recall you mentioning that. Don't remember you mentioning Daron Bland setting a single season record for pick 6's. Or talking about Cee Dee Lamb having one of the greatest years in Cowboy receiver history. Or McCarthy making the offense more comfortable for Dak to run.

Nope, I remember clear as day your answer on who deserves the credit: "Dak Mother ****** Prescott, that's who!"
I remember a lot of emoji laden posts telling "haters" to eat it and reminding them (with glee) that Dak was about to be the highest paid player in NFL history.
I remember a lot of "durrr, durr, durrrr" type nonsense which had nothing to do with legit discussion.

It wasn't "realism". It was a blatant attempt to flame, and fine, that's your right. It's a free country. There are guys on both sides of this debate that do this.

But you know what I Think? I think you didn't see any of what happened Sunday coming, despite that fact that many of us tried to tell you. You were genuinely shocked because you really thought this year was going to end up different and you doubled down on that all year.

You were not sure what to do. And so now--you can't deny the obvious--you're retreating to some "realist" safe space that you are trying to create, while spreading around as much blame as possible away from Dak in the process.

Sorry, not buying it. Dak will get his extension (unfortunately), and by next season we'll have 8 months of Jerry telling us how this year is going to be different. Dak will tell us too. Coaches will get fired, players will get let go, maybe a FA or two is added, lather, rinse, repeat. And by August, it's going to be time for Dak to finally show us how incredible he is.

And you'll be here, come week 1, with the same old schtick acting like anything but a "realist". Until (apologies to Jake Ferguson) the "wheels fall off" again.
Nobody is buying your realist trope, friend. At this point, just like Dak after 8 years, you are who you are. Embrace it.

 

[G2]

Wait, is the claim the OP knows the reads? What reads were the drops?

 

[CTcowboy203]

Read through all your posts in this thread. You are a Dak supporter and are passive aggressively defending him. It's clear as day and anyone else can see it.

You blanket it with a "Dak sucked yesterday" but no sh1t he sucked. You then proceed to pick apart all the reasons he sucked as it was mainly the defense fault.

The defense was terrible but I'm not worried about the defense long term. They showed in the last 2 playoffs against SF, they can do their job.

Dak shows his 4ss every year despite the team, HC, running back, defense, offensive weapons. When will you guys learn, Dak only works in certain scenarios but is a no show in big games or games where the script isn't read to him.

I haven’t defended him at all…in fact I’ve said dak is not as good as his most passionate fans think he is nor is he as bad as his biggest detractors think. When dak plays terrible and makes horrible decisions like he did yesterday he absolutely deserves to be crushed for it and I’ve dealt it out to him plenty.

You absolutely should be worried about the defense long term however as well. In every single big game this year they either were outclassed or came up short ; Miami; gave up the drive end of game, Detroit ; great all game until you need a stop, Buffalo terrible. San Fran ; again same thing. 1st Philly game ; no stops in crucial part of game.

Dak sucked- that’s a fact. The defense is overrated and a mirage just like you think dak is. both things can be true. My brain can process both things bc it’s larger than a fruit bats.

 

[G2]

I haven’t defended him at all…in fact I’ve said dak is not as good as his most passionate fans think he is nor is he as bad as his biggest detractors think. When dak plays terrible and makes horrible decisions like he did yesterday he absolutely deserves to be crushed for it and I’ve dealt it out to him plenty.

You absolutely should be worried about the defense long term however as well. In every single big game this year they either were outclassed or came up short ; Miami; gave up the drive end of game, Detroit ; great all game until you need a stop, Buffalo terrible. San Fran ; again same thing. 1st Philly game ; no stops in crucial part of game.

Dak sucked- that’s a fact. The defense is overrated and a mirage just like you think dak is. both things can be true. My brain can process both things bc it’s larger than a fruit bats.

Good post

 

[Hadenough]

he does but other than lamb and 87. Too easy to guard the wr. They need get separation. Not good enough. Example cooks did horrible route and effort to prevent the int.

When you get into the playoffs the WRs are wide open when they have a step on a guy.
Dak is waiting for them to have 3 steps. He is too inaccurate.

 

[zenmastersauce]

One thing about Dak I noticed is that he tries to play too fast when the team is behind. What I saw yesterday was a lot like what happened at Washington back in the 2022 finale. His internal clock goes wild and every pass becomes a tick too early or off target.

Now that actually makes sense. He gets into rush mode and pushed the ball like he shouldn't. That's what gets him in trouble. Not sure to say it's fixable but it's not a glowing remark to have either.

 

[zenmastersauce]

I haven’t defended him at all…in fact I’ve said dak is not as good as his most passionate fans think he is nor is he as bad as his biggest detractors think. When dak plays terrible and makes horrible decisions like he did yesterday he absolutely deserves to be crushed for it and I’ve dealt it out to him plenty.

You absolutely should be worried about the defense long term however as well. In every single big game this year they either were outclassed or came up short ; Miami; gave up the drive end of game, Detroit ; great all game until you need a stop, Buffalo terrible. San Fran ; again same thing. 1st Philly game ; no stops in crucial part of game.

Dak sucked- that’s a fact. The defense is overrated and a mirage just like you think dak is. both things can be true. My brain can process both things bc it’s larger than a fruit bats.

I like this post because it's true on both ends. QB okay is crc3ans never should be overshadowed by anything. You play well we have a chance to win period. Dak did not play well and struggled with coming from behind and thus forced into mistakes. He is responsible for that.

But he doesn't okay the other parts of the field. And if it's so clear that we can see Dak issues at certain times then it should be crystal clear of the issues of our defense. We cannot stop anyone. We cannot hold anyone. We cannot make a key play when we need. If there is anything that was more glaring this season in our losses is how we looked like we didn't practice and looked absolutely confused as we were torched. You cannot let GB score on 6 of their first 7 drives and tell me there's not an issue there. And it's not talent because we have that at least.

 

[Sydla]

What the hell are you even talking about?

"Misleading" how?

Since YOU brought up regular season games, does he get credit for the good games he played in as well? Or those don't count because of what happened in the playoffs?

He went 12-5 and was excellent overall in doing so.

There's no such thing as an All-Pro QB who isn't a very good QB, but it's cute when know-nothing fans try to pretend otherwise. I'll give you that.

"Make Dak beat you and you'll win".... we literally led the league in scoring with a mediocre run game. How do you think that happened?

Who can you credit for that while still being able to trash the QB with an NFL-high 36 passing TDs?

I remember when you used to say it was all Zeke LMAAOOO!

He struggles against good defenses. As someone noted in another thread, he feasted upon defenses that had average to below average opposing passer ratings but struggled against ones with good pass defenses. Isn't that fairly obvious at this point?

He's a good QB. But he clearly has a ceiling and unfortunately, that ceiling seems to be what we saw in the postseason again this year.