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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=3503038
ASHBURN, Va. -- You have to hand it to Washington Commanders quarterback Jason Campbell: The guy really knows how to roll with whatever comes his way.


Some of that nature comes from the laid-back southern vibe he developed while growing up in Mississippi. The rest of it comes from ample life experience. After all, Campbell is once again learning another offense -- for the third time in four NFL seasons no less. And, once again, he's taking it in stride, as if change will always be the one constant in his career.


It's easy to underestimate what Campbell is going through because we tend to focus on more measurable factors when evaluating young quarterbacks, especially statistics like touchdown-interception ratios and quarterback ratings. In Campbell's case, those numbers don't mean nearly as much as his mental toughness. Ask other young quarterbacks how hard it is to frequently go from one offensive system to another, and most will tell you that lack of continuity can kill a career. Campbell just sees it as another reason to work harder at his craft.


Now don't misunderstand this. The man doesn't deserve pity because he's trying to absorb the West Coast offense that new head coach Jim Zorn has installed this offseason. But it is important to note that Campbell is proving his leadership by how deftly he handles another change.
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Instead of growing frustrated by constant change, Commanders QB Jason Campbell is embracing the challenge of learning yet another new offense.




"It does feel like I'm starting school all over again," said Campbell, who threw for 2,700 yards with 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions in 2007. "I thought I had graduated, but it does feel like starting over. I'm putting a lot of time and effort in but I also realize we have a long way to go before we're where we want to be."


You couldn't blame Campbell if he felt a little more frustrated with the trajectory of his pro career. He spent his rookie season sitting and learning behind former Commanders quarterback Mark Brunell. He played six games in 2006 but he still had to wait patiently for his chance. Then he became a full-time starter last season, only to see his season end with a dislocated left kneecap in Week 13. Then there was the retirement of head coach Joe Gibbs. Every time Campbell starts building momentum, something interferes with the process.


Still, there is one main advantage Campbell has in Zorn's offense: Familiarity. Campbell turned into a first-round pick in the 2005 draft primarily because Auburn installed a West Coast system during his senior year. In that offense, Campbell displayed his decision-making and his efficiency, and he's hoping it can do the same this season. At the very least, he knows he's gone through so many systems (including four in college) that he's finally running out of new offenses to learn.


But that doesn't mean there aren't challenges involved in this process. For one, Campbell is learning new mechanics again. He had to revise his technique when former Commanders assistant Bill Musgrave coached him as a rookie and he did it a second time when the team hired former offensive coordinator Al Saunders in 2006. Now Zorn is asking Campbell to alter his fundamentals once more. The most noticeable change, according to Campbell, involves how he stands in the pocket -- Zorn wants Campbell to avoid standing so upright so the quarterback can deliver the football more quickly.


For a 6-foot-5, 233-pound quarterback like Campbell, learning to stay low can be a chore -- Zorn has even had his signal-callers play dodgeball in practice to hone that skill -- but Campbell has impressed his coach with his quick learning.


"You can see he's very serious about wanting to be great," Zorn said. "What I really like is that he can make his body make the changes that I want technique-wise. If you tell him to hold the ball higher as he drops back, he can do that. Some guys can make the change in an individual drill and then they revert back to their old habits in a competitive situation. Jason doesn't do that."


It's hard to explain how much Zorn could mean to Campbell's development. In fact, the first big move the coach made was to avoid a quarterback controversy. It would be easy to think backup Todd Collins deserves a shot at starting, especially after he rallied the Commanders to three straight wins last season while Campbell was sidelined. Instead, Zorn said Campbell was his quarterback immediately after the team hired the coach in February. Campbell earned that opportunity and he wasn't going to lose it because of an injury.


Campbell says he wasn't worried about the possibility of competing for his job -- "I knew I didn't do anything to lose the job," he said -- but it had to feel good knowing Zorn was in his corner. Zorn made a point to say he wasn't going to play mental games with his young quarterback. He was going to coach him as well as possible and hope Campbell responded. So far, that's the case.


Campbell has worked with Zorn throughout the offseason to get up to speed on this offense. He's also heard countless stories of how great Zorn can be with quarterbacks. After all, Zorn spent the previous seven years as Seattle's quarterback coach before joining the Commanders and he helped Matt Hasselbeck blossom from a raw talent into a Pro Bowl signal-caller for the Seahawks. He wants Campbell to be just as consistent in his own development.


"Jason won't be as good in his first year in this offense as he will be down the line" Zorn said. "But what I'm hoping is that he can manage the game and play solid football. We don't have to win because of him but we do have to be able to win with him."

That last part isn't lost on Campbell, either. Sure, he'd love to put up huge numbers, but he also accepts that such a goal won't help at this stage. His job needs to be more simple than that; he needs to learn as much as possible about his new offense so he can lead the Commanders with the necessary amount of confidence. As long as he does that, his team will be in good hands with him under center.

Campbell always gets an excuse for poor play and is always raved as the next best. But that is BS, when we have Quincy Carter he went through at least 3 different offenses and I never get him the excuse. Romo just got a new offense last season and still put up stellar numbers, but we never gave him the excuse incase he does bad.

I feel like everyone wants to give Campbell credit regardless of what he doesnt do, and honestly I dont think he is that good. At least not Romo good.
 

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Not sure the barometer for QBs being good should be Romo, honestly...I think Campbell is a good QB and definitely has upside...The last time Zoners bashed the dude, he turned in a great performance against the Boys and shot that theory down...We don't have to like the opponents but respect folks
 

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Tell them. Romo is apparently not a good QB because he "chokes" in playoffs. Whats Campbell's excuse?
 

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FCBarca;2157733 said:
Not sure the barometer for QBs being good should be Romo, honestly...I think Campbell is a good QB and definitely has upside...The last time Zoners bashed the dude, he turned in a great performance against the Boys and shot that theory down...

"Great game"??

It wasn't even a particularly GOOD game, if the truth were to be known... yeah, he threw for 348 yards, but let's remember that he had to throw the ball FIFTY FOUR freakin' times to put up that yardage... that works out to a 6.4 yards per attempt average, which is actually pretty bad... then there's the fact that he only led his team to 23 points, which is hardly a "great performance"... it's OK, but nothing to write home about... ditto his 61.1 completion percentage; that's acceptable, but somewhat short of "great"... ditto his 84.5 quarterback rating; that's good enough, but not "great"...

So if you look at his numbers, you might think he played a good, but not great game... but that's not even the case, not when you consider that he basically lost his team the game, with a crucial 4th quarter interception, then on the final series, he hit one completion for ten yards, then three straight incompletions...


You call THAT "great"?? I surely don't...

Maybe Jason Campbell will some day be good, but he's nowhere close to it now... consider that he's had 10 games in which he's thrown the ball 30 times or more, and the Skins have lost every single one of them... good quarterbacks would have been able to produce at least 2 or 3 wins out of those 10 games...

No sir, I truly don't understand your lofty opinion of Jason Campbell... suffice it to say I don't share it...
 

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silverbear;2157756 said:
"Great game"??

It wasn't even a particularly GOOD game, if the truth were to be known... yeah, he threw for 348 yards, but let's remember that he had to throw the ball FIFTY FOUR freakin' times to put up that yardage... that works out to a 6.4 yards per attempt average, which is actually pretty bad... then there's the fact that he only led his team to 23 points, which is hardly a "great performance"... it's OK, but nothing to write home about... ditto his 61.1 completion percentage; that's acceptable, but somewhat short of "great"... ditto his 84.5 quarterback rating; that's good enough, but not "great"...

So if you look at his numbers, you might think he played a good, but not great game... but that's not even the case, not when you consider that he basically lost his team the game, with a crucial 4th quarter interception, then on the final series, he hit one completion for ten yards, then three straight incompletions...


You call THAT "great"?? I surely don't...

Maybe Jason Campbell will some day be good, but he's nowhere close to it now... consider that he's had 10 games in which he's thrown the ball 30 times or more, and the Skins have lost every single one of them... good quarterbacks would have been able to produce at least 2 or 3 wins out of those 10 games...

No sir, I truly don't understand your lofty opinion of Jason Campbell... suffice it to say I don't share it...


Lofty opinion and lousy are too very different things...I simply have said he is a good QB, unlike the majority of Zoners who have tossed up lousy
 

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Dangerous Dave;2157728 said:
Sounds to me like Zorn isn't sold on Campbell long term in his system.

Oh, how so?

"Jason won't be as good in his first year in this offense as he will be down the line" Zorn said. "But what I'm hoping is that he can manage the game and play solid football. We don't have to win because of him but we do have to be able to win with him."

What part of "down the line" doesn't impart the idea of faith in the long term?
 

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FCBarca;2157764 said:
Lofty opinion and lousy are too very different things...I simply have said he is a good QB, unlike the majority of Zoners who have tossed up lousy

Well, that would require a level of objectivity that they're not capable of.
 

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Well right now Campbell is below Qunicy Carter, since he has never led his team to the playoffs. Off the top of my head does Campbell even has a winning record as a starter?
 

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Sonny#9;2157852 said:
Well, that would require a level of objectivity that they're not capable of.


Says the guy on his biggest rivals message board.
 

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Sonny#9;2157852 said:
Well, that would require a level of objectivity that they're not capable of.

No, we have just seen this exact same thing before. Quincy Carter, which Commander fans were only too eager to point out his flaws. Now that you basically have him, you are cutting him the same breaks.

Campbell is an NFL calibur QB but not a person that will put the team on his shoulders. He will have that one game that makes you continue to hope... but it will end the same. He is definitely not great nor have I ever seen him have that "great" game.
 

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silverbear;2157756 said:
"Great game"??

It wasn't even a particularly GOOD game, if the truth were to be known... yeah, he threw for 348 yards, but let's remember that he had to throw the ball FIFTY FOUR freakin' times to put up that yardage... that works out to a 6.4 yards per attempt average, which is actually pretty bad... then there's the fact that he only led his team to 23 points, which is hardly a "great performance"... it's OK, but nothing to write home about... ditto his 61.1 completion percentage; that's acceptable, but somewhat short of "great"... ditto his 84.5 quarterback rating; that's good enough, but not "great"...

So if you look at his numbers, you might think he played a good, but not great game... but that's not even the case, not when you consider that he basically lost his team the game, with a crucial 4th quarter interception, then on the final series, he hit one completion for ten yards, then three straight incompletions...


You call THAT "great"?? I surely don't...

Maybe Jason Campbell will some day be good, but he's nowhere close to it now... consider that he's had 10 games in which he's thrown the ball 30 times or more, and the Skins have lost every single one of them... good quarterbacks would have been able to produce at least 2 or 3 wins out of those 10 games...

No sir, I truly don't understand your lofty opinion of Jason Campbell... suffice it to say I don't share it...
I suppose you're also one of those who thinks that Campbell can't succeed in a West Coast offense.

The reason that Skins fans point to that game is that the coaches finally let Campbell put the game on his back, and he responded well. Hopefully, he can learn from his mistakes late in the game and improve - there is no reason not to be patient and give him time to continue to improve.
 

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Another year, another offensive system, another excuse for for Campbell to be mediocre. At this rate they may be able to stretch his career out for another five years. Every year, the rallying cry will be "If we could only get Jason in the same system year after year! Look at these flashes!"

meh.
 

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FCBarca;2157764 said:
Lofty opinion and lousy are too very different things...I simply have said he is a good QB, unlike the majority of Zoners who have tossed up lousy

Terrific... now, care to tell me what you base your opinion on??

I think it's a legitimate question, pal; is it based on his career quarterback rating of 77.3?? That would have rated him 21st in the NFL this past season... or maybe you're basing it on his career 57.7 completion percentage?? That would have rated him 27th in the NFL last season... it can't be his career 6.4 yards per attempt average, that would have rated him 25th in the NFL last season...

I'm a Cowboys fan, but I'm not just down on Campbell because of that... he's not in the top 20 in any major statistical category, and I don't call that good, or anywhere close to it...

Then there's the little matter of his 8-12 career won-loss record; it's not likely a coincidence that the Skins went on a 4 game winning streak AFTER he got hurt... or the aforementioned 0-10 record in games in which he's thrown at least 30 passes... every time the Skins have asked him to take the game on his shoulders, he's lost the game for him...

Look at how often he committed critical mistakes in the 4th quarters of close games (including the one game he played against the Boys last season); that doesn't scream "good" to me...

In fact, to this point in his career, Jason Campbell has really been rather bad... even Quincy Carter put up similar numbers to Jason, and I'm sure you wouldn't call ol' Q-Bong "good", would you??

So again I ask, and this question is open for anybody out there who thinks that Jason Campbell is "good"-- based on WHAT??
 

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Sonny#9;2157852 said:
Well, that would require a level of objectivity that they're not capable of.

I've backed up my argument with statistical fact, thereby rendering it more objective than YOURS...
 

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silverbear;2157933 said:
Terrific... now, care to tell me what you base your opinion on??

I think it's a legitimate question, pal; is it based on his career quarterback rating of 77.3?? That would have rated him 21st in the NFL this past season... or maybe you're basing it on his career 57.7 completion percentage?? That would have rated him 27th in the NFL last season... it can't be his career 6.4 yards per attempt average, that would have rated him 25th in the NFL last season...

I'm a Cowboys fan, but I'm not just down on Campbell because of that... he's not in the top 20 in any major statistical category, and I don't call that good, or anywhere close to it...

Then there's the little matter of his 8-12 career won-loss record; it's not likely a coincidence that the Skins went on a 4 game winning streak AFTER he got hurt... or the aforementioned 0-10 record in games in which he's thrown at least 30 passes... every time the Skins have asked him to take the game on his shoulders, he's lost the game for him...

Look at how often he committed critical mistakes in the 4th quarters of close games (including the one game he played against the Boys last season); that doesn't scream "good" to me...

In fact, to this point in his career, Jason Campbell has really been rather bad... even Quincy Carter put up similar numbers to Jason, and I'm sure you wouldn't call ol' Q-Bong "good", would you??

So again I ask, and this question is open for anybody out there who thinks that Jason Campbell is "good"-- based on WHAT??

thanks you answered a question I just asked:bow:
 

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DCBoysfan;2157895 said:
Well right now Campbell is below Qunicy Carter, since he has never led his team to the playoffs. Off the top of my head does Campbell even has a winning record as a starter?

Only if 8-12 is a winning record, LOL...

Skins fans don't seem to be able to recognize reality when it comes to Campbell... they can't bring themselves to admit that their team played much better when Jason left the lineup... went on a 4 game winning streak, they did...

Jason's stats are a little better than Quincy's were, but as you noted, Quincy was a winning quarterback, Jason isn't...
 

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Skinsmaniac;2157916 said:
The reason that Skins fans point to that game is that the coaches finally let Campbell put the game on his back, and he responded well.

Wherein "well" is defined as (a) inferior to the QB on the other team; (b) choking; and (c) losing.
 
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