Jason Campbell

[BourbonBalz]

I suppose you're also one of those who thinks that Campbell can't succeed in a West Coast offense.

The reason that Skins fans point to that game is that the coaches finally let Campbell put the game on his back, and he responded well. Hopefully, he can learn from his mistakes late in the game and improve - there is no reason not to be patient and give him time to continue to improve.

Patient? You mean the way Skins' fans have been with Romo? All I see posted by Skins' fans is that Romo is overrated because he has't won a playoff game yet. They seem to forget that he's only been a starter for 1 1/2 years. Hell, he's only played for that length of time, but every Foreskin fan on the internet calls him a choker. Sounds a bit like the pot and kettle situation to me.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Wherein "well" is defined as (a) inferior to the QB on the other team; (b) choking; and (c) losing.

I suppose if you had been Aikman's coach you would have looked for a new QB after a 1-15 season.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Patient? You mean the way Skins' fans have been with Romo? All I see posted by Skins' fans is that Romo is overrated because he has't won a playoff game yet. They seem to forget that he's only been a starter for 1 1/2 years. Hell, he's only played for that length of time, but every Foreskin fan on the internet calls him a choker. Sounds a bit like the pot and kettle situation to me.

Because all Commanders fans are the same person.

 

[silverbear]

I suppose you're also one of those who thinks that Campbell can't succeed in a West Coast offense.

Actually, I AM dubious about that, the West Coast offense requires a quarterback to be accurate, especially in the short passing game... that has never been Campbell's strong suit, and you know it... he can be right scatter-armed when throwing the ball short...

I also think that it's quite likely that Jason will struggle badly trying to learn this new offense, as he has with each new offense he's had to assimilate throughout his college and pro careers... the knock on him has always been that he doesn't learn things quickly...

The reason that Skins fans point to that game is that the coaches finally let Campbell put the game on his back, and he responded well.

No, he didn't... he pretty much lost the game for them, with his 4th quarter play...

ANY NFL quarterback can pass for 300 yards plus, if you let him throw it 50 plus times...

Hopefully, he can learn from his mistakes late in the game and improve - there is no reason not to be patient and give him time to continue to improve.

Of course there's no reason not to be patient with him, y'all don't have a viable option to replace him... but you don't seem to recognize that your boy struggles with the mental side of the game... he always has, this is not a new thing... and the West Coast offense demands that a QB have a firm grasp of the mental aspects of playing the position...

What's kind of funny is if he does struggle this year, that will almost certainly lead to Zorn losing his job at the end of the season, which means Jason will be learning a new system again next year... I can't imagine that Zorn is on anything other than a very short leash with Danny Boy...

I wonder if Cowher will like Campbell as much as you do??

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

I suppose if you had been Aikman's coach you would have looked for a new QB after a 1-15 season.

please tell me you are not saying that campbell is Aikman.

 

[silverbear]

I suppose if you had been Aikman's coach you would have looked for a new QB after a 1-15 season.

Bad analogy, Aikman was saddled with a LOUSY team as a rookie... even Joe Montana in his prime couldn't have coaxed five wins out of that bunch...

Compared to that dreck, Campbell has had a MUCH better team to work with...

 

[streetcredit]

I think he'll be a backup in a year or 2 and will out of the league in 3 or 4....but I hope the skins keep thinking that he has potential....maybe he'll be 40, working on his 10th system and looking to break that elusive 80 Qb rating.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Of course there's no reason not to be patient with him, y'all don't have a viable option to replace him

That's backwards - we don't have an option to replace him because we are being patient with him. It's obvious that we aren't going to agree on this because I like the potential I have seen from Campbell, and potential is hard to quantify. For what it's worth, his teamates are also patient with him and there hasn't been a peep about players prefering Collins, and most players are interested in winning now - not setting up the team to win in the future.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Bad analogy, Aikman was saddled with a LOUSY team as a rookie... even Joe Montana in his prime couldn't have coaxed five wins out of that bunch...

Compared to that dreck, Campbell has had a MUCH better team to work with...

Silver... stop confusing them with facts!!

 

[Sonny#9]

I've backed up my argument with statistical fact, thereby rendering it more objective than YOURS...

Well, at least you're not comparing him to Quincy Carter.

4-0 win streak? For someone that is so objective and love numbers so much How bout this one: Collins beat the 11th, 13th, 22nd and 32nd pass defenses, while playing in the same system for 10 years. Not to mention the team got healthy and the line began to jell after some early season injuries. But I am sure those don't factor into it at all.

It's been well stated, over and over again, here that Dallas didn't game plan. We'll throw that game out. In Giants stadium, in horrible weather, he was 9-for-25. So, he had two good games. Beating the horrible Vikings and Bears secondary. And he was awful in Seattle.

As for the 0-10. Yes that's bad. But a deeper look into the numbers, are you going to tell me this game is Campbell's fault:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271111028

or this one:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271014009

Here's another stat for you: at this point in his career he has better numbers then both Matt Hasslebeck and Drew Brees. Both of those QBs are pretty good.

Am I saying he's going to be great? Not at all. Will he ever put up numbers like Romo? No, most likely not. My point is he's improving. And to cherry pick stats that don't include the whole picture is hardly objective.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

wow.....I don't see how he throws that ball the way his grip is.....what is Zorn's phone nbr?

 

[Velvet Jones]

That's backwards - we don't have an option to replace him because we are being patient with him. It's obvious that we aren't going to agree on this because I like the potential I have seen from Campbell, and potential is hard to quantify. For what it's worth, his teamates are also patient with him and there hasn't been a peep about players prefering Collins, and most players are interested in winning now - not setting up the team to win in the future.

How has being patient worked for Baltimore and Boller? Same situation where he has so much potential but if you step back to look at the forest through the tree's, his stat's are just not good. Potential, for a team, is more of a curse than a gift. You have hope and I do hope it works out for you. More often than not, it doesn't.

 

[Danny White]

I suppose if you had been Aikman's coach you would have looked for a new QB after a 1-15 season.

Great analogy.

Jason Campbell is what, in his fourth season now?

By the end of his fourth season Aikman had already made the Pro Bowl twice and been named the MVP of the Super Bowl.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Great analogy.

Jason Campbell is what, in his fourth season now?

By the end of his fourth season Aikman had already made the Pro Bowl twice and been named the MVP of the Super Bowl.

and stay down

 

[FCBarca]

Terrific... now, care to tell me what you base your opinion on??

I think it's a legitimate question, pal; is it based on his career quarterback rating of 77.3?? That would have rated him 21st in the NFL this past season... or maybe you're basing it on his career 57.7 completion percentage?? That would have rated him 27th in the NFL last season... it can't be his career 6.4 yards per attempt average, that would have rated him 25th in the NFL last season...

I'm a Cowboys fan, but I'm not just down on Campbell because of that... he's not in the top 20 in any major statistical category, and I don't call that good, or anywhere close to it...

Then there's the little matter of his 8-12 career won-loss record; it's not likely a coincidence that the Skins went on a 4 game winning streak AFTER he got hurt... or the aforementioned 0-10 record in games in which he's thrown at least 30 passes... every time the Skins have asked him to take the game on his shoulders, he's lost the game for him...

Look at how often he committed critical mistakes in the 4th quarters of close games (including the one game he played against the Boys last season); that doesn't scream "good" to me...

In fact, to this point in his career, Jason Campbell has really been rather bad... even Quincy Carter put up similar numbers to Jason, and I'm sure you wouldn't call ol' Q-Bong "good", would you??

So again I ask, and this question is open for anybody out there who thinks that Jason Campbell is "good"-- based on WHAT??

Far cry from the original reaction to posting on how overrated or terrible Campbell was...Now we're on to how is he good?...Like I said, last season everyone piled on in here as to how bad Campbell is and he very nearly led them to victory...I said it before the game and I'll continue to say it until he bombs out completely...He is good and he has potential to even be better.

Opinions are opinions, everyone is entitled to them...We see them with plenty of haters on Romo...'Hasn't won anything yet' etc...Yet, we, as Cowboy fans, see what we see in him...There are plenty of ways to break down whether a player has potential, especially at the QB position.

As for Campbell, it's clear that many see that promise in him otherwise they wouldn't continue to be behind him as far as the organization is concerned...Everyone is high on him until you venture out of DC, let alone into Dallas...How is that different than Romo haters?

I don't prance around with rose colored shades, I call it like I see it and I see a good QB in Campbell who is getting better...Let's face it, they all don't end up flipping a switch like Romo and coming in at halftime to jumpstart a superstar career.

Career passing ratings on a team with little to no help in terms of WRs, in terms of one new offense after another, one new coach after another, etc...Stability...He hasn't had it...Given time, he has shown leadership, good decision making and fearlessness...I like both his tangibles and intangibles.

Stats are great for fantasy leagues and for 'rankings', I look at how a player looks on the field which never shows up in stats...And for all the stats, he still very nearly beat this Cowboy team in Texas stadium...No small feat

Comparing him to Quincy?...Apples & Oranges...One lousy black QB doesn't make another, pretty simplistic

 

[Sonny#9]

Comparing him to Quincy?...Apples & Oranges...One lousy black QB doesn't make another, pretty simplistic

Anyone that compares Campbell to Quincy Carter is purely ignorant.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Great analogy.

Jason Campbell is what, in his fourth season now?

By the end of his fourth season Aikman had already made the Pro Bowl twice and been named the MVP of the Super Bowl.

And after 20 games he was 320/568 for 3366 yds 14tds and 31ints. Obviously the only reason he stuck around is that the Cowboys knew he had potential to be great.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I suppose if you had been Aikman's coach you would have looked for a new QB after a 1-15 season.

Actually did bring in another young QB. He took the guy from Miami (his name escapes me at the moment) in the supplimental draft but he also realized Aikman was better and traded him to NO for a bunch of picks.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Anyone that compares Campbell to Quincy Carter is purely ignorant.

For the ignorant, how are they so different that comparisons cannot be made?

 

[Velvet Jones]

Anyone that compares Campbell to Quincy Carter is purely ignorant.

Alright, give me why they can't be compared. Or is it just that you have a "feeling"? Give me some defense of your QB other than having a feeling. If it makes you feel better, I will compare him to Boller. The point is still the same.