Jason Garrett And The "S11" Package

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I thought this deserved some more attention/discussion from Bob Sturm's great analysis of the game Sunday.

That package, known as "S11" in this space - Shotgun, 1 RB (Murray), 1 TE (Witten), and 3 WR (Bryant, Robinson, Austin) - took 78% of the snaps on Sunday as the Cowboys were forced to scrap everything they had worked on and simply were going to try to dig back into the game.

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But, beyond that, it was the same 11 players running the same approximately half-dozen plays for the entire night. 6-8 is the normal number of different plays a team installs for its 2-minute offense. Since Jason Garrett has been the offensive coordinator the Cowboys are exclusively in S11 for their 2-min drill. S11 is certainly the most-used package in his offense, but also has consistently been one of the more inefficient packages as the yards per attempt are painfully low. All the Eagles must do is "pin their ears back" and go get Romo. By the way, the Eagles didn't even have to blitz. Just 4 times in the game did the Eagles send more than their front 4. All that work in picking up blitzes that DeMarco Murray and Phillip Tanner had to prepare for were hardly even seen during the game.

According to our data that goes back every snap since 2008, Dallas has run the "S11" package over 35 times on 6 occasions. They are now 0-6 in those game (39 snaps vs Baltimore '08, 37 at Philadelphia '08, 37 at Green Bay '09, 36 vs New York Giants '10, 48 vs Jacksonville '10, and 38 at Philadelphia '11).

The reasons for the issues with the Cowboys 2-minute drill span this entire 4 season study. The unit has never been able to exploit defenses in the passing game with this strategy. Instead, Tony Romo has demonstrated a great ability to accumulate numbers and wins through the traditional "under-center" offense. His production in this regard is actually quite impressive and compares favorably to many of the best in the sport. However, what must frustrate Romo and Garrett to no end is the way that New England, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Green Bay, and many other teams have devoured the NFL in the shotgun/3WR offenses by spreading out a defense and isolating poor coverage players in space and simply picking them apart. This was the rationale behind assembling a cast of skill players but it has never materialized.

Again that showed on Sunday. The sling-it-around offense is not something they excel at. 38 snaps in S11 with some very talented players on the field, and yet in 34 pass attempts, they are only able to rack up 174 yards. 5.11 yards per attempt in the shotgun is nowhere close to acceptable. In fact, if you subtract the 1 big play from the results - the 70-yard pass to Laurent Robinson for the Touchdown in the 4th Quarter - then you simply get 3.15 yards per attempt for the other 33 plays. Beyond putrid.

Any thoughts on why Garrett seems unable or unwilling to deviate from this unsuccessful package? Just another reason why I feel we need to revamp the offensive coaching staff and get some new voices in here that he will actually listen to.
 
DOUBLE WING;4220563 said:
I thought this deserved some more attention/discussion from Bob Sturm's great analysis of the game Sunday.



Any thoughts on why Garrett seems unable or unwilling to deviate from this unsuccessful package? Just another reason why I feel we need to revamp the offensive coaching staff and get some new voices in here that he will actually listen to.

Sturm more or less answered the question in his blog post. We were down 21-0 by the time we took our 9th snap on offense, so any game plan that we had was out the window and the Cowboys went into catch up mode.

We stayed in the hurry up/3rd down package for the whole game, and the Eagles knew exactly what was coming.

He also hints on the fact that we stayed in the shotgun to protect Romo from taking unnecessary shots in what was basically an already lost game.
 
SWG9;4220676 said:
Sturm more or less answered the question in his blog post. We were down 21-0 by the time we took our 9th snap on offense, so any game plan that we had was out the window and the Cowboys went into catch up mode.

We stayed in the hurry up/3rd down package for the whole game, and the Eagles knew exactly what was coming.

He also hints on the fact that we stayed in the shotgun to protect Romo from taking unnecessary shots in what was basically an already lost game.



You must have missed the part about the s11 getting destroyed in previous seasons. I know, I know, those were Wades fault.
 
Yeah nothing to really say here. S11 is the same package that we've gotten destroyed in every year.

Every blow out loss as been 70%+ S11 with the defense pinning their ears back and teeing off of our weaker offensive line.

Might be time to scrap this formation along with the game plan.
 
And the evidence keeps piling up.......

More people are realizing ..........

And the excuses are depleting.......
 
Cochese;4220683 said:
3.16 yards per play. Awesome.

An even easier explanation:

Garrett = HC

Somebody Please = OC

Seriously. :pray:

casmith07;4220726 said:
Yeah nothing to really say here. S11 is the same package that we've gotten destroyed in every year.

Every blow out loss as been 70%+ S11 with the defense pinning their ears back and teeing off of our weaker offensive line.

Might be time to scrap this formation along with the game plan.

Maybe our current OC doesn't have time to think of new tricks...
Like I said... :pray:
 
Yeah, 3 WR sets just dont work in today's NFL. We needed more Phil Tanner right there. When youre down 21 you gotta go 2 TEs and a FB. And if passing doesnt work, stop doing it. 67 million was for the photo ops and merch.
 
DOUBLE WING;4220563 said:
I thought this deserved some more attention/discussion from Bob Sturm's great analysis of the game Sunday.



Any thoughts on why Garrett seems unable or unwilling to deviate from this unsuccessful package? Just another reason why I feel we need to revamp the offensive coaching staff and get some new voices in here that he will actually listen to.

What do you mean deviate?

Philly was the first game of the year that he used that formation to that extent.

Prior to the Philly game, he used it less than 1/5th of the time.

Personally, I want more of that formation. I wish he'd deviate from the 2TE set.

It's not doing anything for the team. That extra blocker isn't solidifying the OL and Martellus is probably the least reliable player in the passing game.
 
Yeah so we didn't mix it up at all. Freakin obvious. Everyone wants to straight out blame the o-line. It wasn't all on the o-line.
 
Cochese;4220696 said:
You must have missed the part about the s11 getting destroyed in previous seasons. I know, I know, those were Wades fault.

Cause-Effect or Effect-Cause?

Is Dallas in the S11 because they are getting blown out or are they getting blown out because they are in the S11?

The fact that the 3WR set is used less than 1/3rd of the time from either under center or out of the shotgun should tell you that 3WR isn't his typical plan.
 
DOUBLE WING;4220563 said:
I thought this deserved some more attention/discussion from Bob Sturm's great analysis of the game Sunday.

Any thoughts on why Garrett seems unable or unwilling to deviate from this unsuccessful package? Just another reason why I feel we need to revamp the offensive coaching staff and get some new voices in here that he will actually listen to.

I'd like you to go and look at any game where a team gets down by 21 points before having run even 10 offensive plays. You'll likely find that most are forced to go to alignments that lean heavily toward pass as a FB isn't going to break a play that gets you back into the game quickly. Pretty much any team down by this much goes three wide ... just like we did.
 
There's plenty fo bash Garrett for.

Redzone offense.

Situational football.

But, bashing the guy for any player package that doesn't have 2TEs in it is about as far down the totem pole as you can go to look for something to bash him for.
 
casmith07;4220726 said:
Yeah nothing to really say here. S11 is the same package that we've gotten destroyed in every year.

Every blow out loss as been 70%+ S11 with the defense pinning their ears back and teeing off of our weaker offensive line.

Might be time to scrap this formation along with the game plan.

Yes. When you are getting blown out, it should be 2 TE and 2RB with a single WR all the way
 
Hoofbite;4220791 said:
There's plenty fo bash Garrett for.

Redzone offense.

Situational football.

But, bashing the guy for any player package that doesn't have 2TEs in it is about as far down the totem pole as you can go to look for something to bash him for.

It's not so much why we're doing it, but why we're so bad at doing it.
 
DOUBLE WING;4220809 said:
It's not so much why we're doing it, but why we're so bad at doing it.

Gee, how many teams have great success passing when the other team knows they have to pass?
 
I don't even agree that we had to pass. People act like being down so much early means you can't even try to run the ball, but it's when you're down 21-0 late in the game that you are fighting the clock and are truly forced to pass.

Looks to me like when you're losing early, you'd do whatever you were best at to get that first score on the board, whether that be passing or running. If the defense truly thought you had to pass, that should make running the ball even easier.
 
Chocolate Lab;4220815 said:
I don't even agree that we had to pass. People act like being down so much early means you can't even try to run the ball, but it's when you're down 21-0 late in the game that you are fighting the clock and are truly forced to pass.

Looks to me like when you're losing early, you'd do whatever you were best at to get that first score on the board, whether that be passing or running. If the defense truly thought you had to pass, that should make running the ball even easier.

30 of our 49 plays were run in the 2nd half when we were down 24-0. We had a 6 play drive, then Philly scored another field goal. We got the ball back with under 6 minutes left in the third, down 27-0. We ran 24 plays from there on out.

Half our plays were with less than 20 minutes left in the game, needing 4 TDs. That seems like a "truly forced to pass" deal to me
 

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