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  1. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Why should I spend an hour digging up and rereading your pathetic posts defending your hero? Everyone knows your reputation here and will never believe you.
     
  2. Hawkeye0202

    Hawkeye0202 Well-Known Member

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  3. DandyDon52

    DandyDon52 Well-Known Member

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    you could wind up banned then lol.
    JG is not as bad as some make him out to be as far as being OC.
    I also think Jones is the type of QB that fits JG , much more than dak or romo did.
    He has barkley, and appreciates the run way more than he did back when he was OC.

    This coming season, will be fun, and JG at nyg makes it more fun.
    I wanted JG gone, but is it possible the giants beat us 1 game? yes it is.
    JG knows a lot about our players, and all that info will go to the giants HC and DC,
    count on it.
     
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  4. ESisback

    ESisback Well-Known Member

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    Name one poster. All I’ve seen is people listing stats, and/or suggesting there was actually more there than some doofus whose only function was applauding failure. Most of us are in agreement that Garrett was an average HC at best, and a change was needed, but why must it always be extreme? Why must it always be either total condemnation or blind, loving support? Isn’t there a middle ground anymore?
     
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  5. ESisback

    ESisback Well-Known Member

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    Because some won’t let go of the clapping. People have actually said he did NOTHING but applaud failure. Besides, it all boils down to perspective. Person “A”’s methods are labeled as dedication, picking your spots, being smart and proactive, etc. Person “B” does the same thing and is called a manipulator
     
  6. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Go to page 5 of this thread, There's a poster there mistakenly claiming that Garrett always had a top 10 offense when he was calling the plays. Patently false.
     
  7. Idgit

    Idgit Fattening up Moderator

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    Because you explicitly cited an argument I’ve never made.

    My posts have been right on on this topic. It’s your intentional mischaracterization that has been pathetic. And you mischaracterize because it’s the only way you can pretend to hang in a discussion. It’s childish.
     
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  8. TexasFrog

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    Here is my deal Idgit and I'll let it lie. It's a message board of course. I respect you. We've had this talk. I have found you to be reasonable also over time. And it is because of that, that I get confused on your Garrett talk. Over the years I've admitted when JG had good years. I've eaten crow, as stated, when needed. Overall, we are Cowboy fans so it's not that big of a deal to move on and hope we win. I consider myself "pliable" where I can change stances with good arguments. But on your end, this has never happened regarding JG. Over 10 years a lot went wrong. He was part of the reason. I get that you think Jerry is our biggest issue. You are right on that to some extent. I get that. But with on the field coaching, where Jerry isn't making calls, there were still consistent issues over the years. So I guess my question is...do you see those? Do you just think he could have been great but was done wrong? Like the stats I threw out...you may be able to say they don't prove in game adjustments...but they still show a disturbing inconsistency over 5 years regarding being behind and what we were able to do. We don't have to agree but just explain your unbending stance on it and I'll leave it be!
     
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  9. Direwolf63

    Direwolf63 RXP

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    The groans among my Giants fans friends with the Garrett hire was priceless. I quite enjoyed it.
     
  10. Idgit

    Idgit Fattening up Moderator

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    Sure I see them. To be fair, I post on this topic a lot, and get round-robinned by a lot of posters on a lot of variations of this topic. He’s blown specific games because of coaching mistakes. The Cardinals game where everyone said he iced the kicker and he didn’t but he absolutely blew the time management. The Packers game the season where Callahan was falling the plays where they blew the halftime lead when the two MLBs went out is another example. And there are countless examples where he made tough 50/50 calls that didn’t work out. Fans will lambast the HC for that no matter what. It comes with the dinner.

    I think Garrett was too conservative most of the time. I’m not a huge fan of his scheme. He didn’t stand up to Jerry enough re his staff, and I think that hurt him in certain seasons. I’ve said all of this multiple times before in other threads. I’ve never said he’s a “great” coach, either. I think he’s been a good coach, and that he was a great fit for this team given the owner and the spotlight that comes with this job.

    I’ve also said he didn’t deserve an extension if he didn’t get the 2019 team into the post season to make a run. None of that is new, though if you listen to how my position gets purposely mischaracterized, it’ll seem like it’s all new.

    I just hate to see anybody villainized unfairly. And I don’t like pretending the issue is one thing when I know damn well it’s another. Pretending Coach Blart is going to get this organization over the top is an example of that. I don’t hate McCarthy. I actually kinda like him. But I don’t think we’re being serious about addressing the team’s liabilities. The issue hasn’t been coaching. It’s organizational.
     
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  11. LifetimeBoysFan

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    Well the XFL sure likes the hire. :muttley:

     
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  12. TexasFrog

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    Awesome! Sorry if I don’t see some of those posts. I can be sketchy on time here where I waste a week posting then disappear! I agree with almost all of this! Honestly, like I said in an earlier post, I went to school with a Garrett. I see her and her family with him on the field pregame in posts. They are all close. I know he was a good guy. I almost felt bad disliking him being coach. But I just thought we were wasting years and talent and that’s on Jerry for not seeing it. I thought he did some things post Wade that were positive but that changed over time. Thanks for this. Appreciate it. I have hope for McCarthy but it’s more I hope we have one coach who can win one more before they get worn down in the system.
     
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  13. Idgit

    Idgit Fattening up Moderator

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    You and I have been through this one before think. We’re not all that far apart on the Garrett spectrum. I like him more than you, and more than most. Mostly, it just pisses me off that he gets blamed for a ton of stuff that has nothing to do with him. I don’t actually usually respond to critical posts about him that I think are fair or at least reasonable, though. But I dig in hard on the ones I think are stupid or really unfair.

    Anyway, cheers. Enjoy the games today.
     
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  14. JoeKing

    JoeKing Diehard Zone Supporter

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    People say all kinds of crazy things. I've never been one to promote the crazy things other people say. I speak for myself and I say Garrett does much more that clap. He is a manipulator. The problem with being a manipulator is it grows old and your bosses eventually expect results. When you can't deliver, you get let go. It will all play out again in NY just as it did in Dallas.
     
  15. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Oh, bull roar! You're just gonna miss him saying, "How we doing, guys?" lol j/k...have a good day, hound dog. Why does my band always book a gig on Sunday football!
     
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  16. TexasFrog

    TexasFrog Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! You too! Thanks for discussion again. Enjoy
     
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  17. Wapp5200

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    Thats a fact
     
  18. Corso

    Corso Offseason mode... sleepy time

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    Who's your band?
     
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  19. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    COMP...
     
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  20. ESisback

    ESisback Well-Known Member

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    Let’s hope!
     
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