Jason Garrett's Strengths

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Jason Garrett's Strengths... well he likes to watch the "tapes"... not sure what he's watching but he's go to "watch the tapes"...
 

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Hey buddy, whats up.................yes, we clearly disagree on Garrett.

My point is that after 8 years on the job, the "not enough talent" excuse goes out the window. If the team has not been playoff caliber for more than 1 or 2 of the years Garrett has been here, is that not on him as well? Isnt he suppose to make the roster playoff caliber?

As I have alluded to, no other team puts up with this much futility other than Cincinnati. For crying out loud, the Tennessee Titans WON A PLAYOFF GAME and then fired their head coach for getting routed by the Pats. So don't tell me that keeping coaches that constantly lose is what happens in the NFL, because it isn't. Garrett is an anomaly in the NFL, very few head coaches can accomplish as little as he has accomplished in his coaching career and still have a job.

I don’t agree. I think the issue in Dallas not being even more successful than they have been has been the ability to assemble talent.

And I don’t think it matters that much what other teams do. Dallas is organized differently than those teams and the team presents different challenges.
 

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He’s intelligent, organized, consistent, and able to dampen the circus atmosphere Jerry insists on cultivating. He develops players well. He keeps the team focused, and they play hard.

Most of what he does poorly is massively exaggerated by upset fans. They hated his play calling, though his offenses were generally in the top ten in the league in terms of production/series. They are his press conferences, though fail to understand he does it for a very good reason. They hate his clapping...never understood why that was such an issue. Really, what they’re unhappy about is the team not going on a playoff run, and when they don’t like that result, the easiest person to blame is the coach. Personally, I don’t think he’s miss d the playoffs with a playoff caliber team until last season.

I agree with you on a few points and respectfully disagree with you on others. To me his is an enigma. I will give him credit for 3 things: 1) His players play hard for him. Even during the dismal 2015 season many of the games were fairly close and even as the losses mounted I saw players playing hard for 60 minutes. 2) He keeps internal issues in house most of the time. You rarely hear players going to the media to complain about internal issues. 3) Unlike Wade and several before him I do think he has a strong voice within the organization as far as what direction and what identity he wants the Cowboys to me. Unlike Wade who basically was told here are the players you have and the offensive system we run, your job is simply to coach within whatever we give you.

Not his fault as far as the media constantly bringing up the Princeton Grad thing but everyone knows there is difference between book smart and street smart. The book smart guy might be able to split the Atom but has no common sense. Every NFL message board can bring up a specific play, game, questionable clock management issues, etc. But JG seven years in continue to make decisions decisions that are simply mind boggling. Calling time outs during the last 2-3 minutes of a blowout loss to the Falcons last year is a perfect example. This is not a split second decision like should I have my QB spike it, call a TO, etc. He had the best seat in the house and watched Dak get destroyed all game thanks to Chaz Green. I still find it a minor miracle Dak survived that game without getting hurt. So 2-3 minutes left in the game in a blowout loss, your franchise QB is still in the game and instead of just trying to get out of dodge and get back to Dallas he is calling timeouts so....what?..were the Cowboys going to perform a miracle comeback? To make matters worse he almost looked puzzled when the media questioned him on it. How do you explain this or defend it?

And regarding his robotic press conferences, The Hoodie in New England might mumble about but the results on the field year in and year out speak for him selves. All of his talk about stacking good practices together, etc. He talks about being consistent all the time and yet this team under his watch is anything but. Game to game, week to wee, year after year, this team has not been consistent even two years in a row. They have never been really good 2 years in a row, or bad two years in a row. Other than the last month of the 2014 season or 2016 you never know what to expect from this team game to game, or even quarter to quarter. Someone name me a HC who after 7 years with his track record suddenly becoming a great HC. I actually like him personally and he has always conducted himself with class. I really hope I'm wrong but I never thought I would see the day when this franchise would think that one wildcard playoff win in 7 years is acceptable. Like I said I will gladly say I was 100% wrong if this team has a great year.
 

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I agree with you on a few points and respectfully disagree with you on others. To me his is an enigma. I will give him credit for 3 things: 1) His players play hard for him. Even during the dismal 2015 season many of the games were fairly close and even as the losses mounted I saw players playing hard for 60 minutes. 2) He keeps internal issues in house most of the time. You rarely hear players going to the media to complain about internal issues. 3) Unlike Wade and several before him I do think he has a strong voice within the organization as far as what direction and what identity he wants the Cowboys to me. Unlike Wade who basically was told here are the players you have and the offensive system we run, your job is simply to coach within whatever we give you.

Not his fault as far as the media constantly bringing up the Princeton Grad thing but everyone knows there is difference between book smart and street smart. The book smart guy might be able to split the Atom but has no common sense. Every NFL message board can bring up a specific play, game, questionable clock management issues, etc. But JG seven years in continue to make decisions decisions that are simply mind boggling. Calling time outs during the last 2-3 minutes of a blowout loss to the Falcons last year is a perfect example. This is not a split second decision like should I have my QB spike it, call a TO, etc. He had the best seat in the house and watched Dak get destroyed all game thanks to Chaz Green. I still find it a minor miracle Dak survived that game without getting hurt. So 2-3 minutes left in the game in a blowout loss, your franchise QB is still in the game and instead of just trying to get out of dodge and get back to Dallas he is calling timeouts so....what?..were the Cowboys going to perform a miracle comeback? To make matters worse he almost looked puzzled when the media questioned him on it. How do you explain this or defend it?

And regarding his robotic press conferences, The Hoodie in New England might mumble about but the results on the field year in and year out speak for him selves. All of his talk about stacking good practices together, etc. He talks about being consistent all the time and yet this team under his watch is anything but. Game to game, week to wee, year after year, this team has not been consistent even two years in a row. They have never been really good 2 years in a row, or bad two years in a row. Other than the last month of the 2014 season or 2016 you never know what to expect from this team game to game, or even quarter to quarter. Someone name me a HC who after 7 years with his track record suddenly becoming a great HC. I actually like him personally and he has always conducted himself with class. I really hope I'm wrong but I never thought I would see the day when this franchise would think that one wildcard playoff win in 7 years is acceptable. Like I said I will gladly say I was 100% wrong if this team has a great year.

Nice response. To be clear, I’m not suggesting one playoff win is acceptable. But that the losses in the playoffs weren’t due to coaching limitations. There are a number of things we actually do have to do better in order to win those games, and those are the things I want addressed.

As for the timeout management, I don’t recall that issue in the ATL game, but I’d bet his thinking was that he wants the team to execute the called plays regardless of circumstance. He probably was legitimately confused about why he was asked about that series.
 

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Why should he? He gets paid 6 million a year and there are no performance expectations. I'd be giving everyone the bird too as I clapped and gave high fives. I'd even throw in a few cliches about "processes" for that kind of money.


Gotta give Garrett credit for one thing, he's the best salesman I've ever seen. He keeps selling that "process" to Jerry for 6 mil$ a year and like you said, with "no performance expectations" and only mediocre results, and Jerry keeps buying it. :huh:
 

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Hey buddy, whats up.................yes, we clearly disagree on Garrett.

My point is that after 8 years on the job, the "not enough talent" excuse goes out the window. If the team has not been playoff caliber for more than 1 or 2 of the years Garrett has been here, is that not on him as well? Isnt he suppose to make the roster playoff caliber?

As I have alluded to, no other team puts up with this much futility other than Cincinnati. For crying out loud, the Tennessee Titans WON A PLAYOFF GAME and then fired their head coach for getting routed by the Pats. So don't tell me that keeping coaches that constantly lose is what happens in the NFL, because it isn't. Garrett is an anomaly in the NFL, very few head coaches can accomplish as little as he has accomplished in his coaching career and still have a job.

In 2 of the last 4 years, the Cowboys have had the best overall record in the NFL.

2014: 12-4 Tied with Seahawks and Packers for top record in the NFL. Although Dallas beat Seattle, who beat Green Bay in the regular season, Dallas lost the tie breakers due to Conference record
2015: 4-12 Cowboys lost DeMarco Murray before the season, Dez Bryant in Game 1, and Tony Romo in Game 2. That's the equivalent of the 90's Cowboys losing all three triplets before the end of the 2nd game of the year.
2016: 13-3 Secured #1 seed in playoffs
2017: 9-7 6-game suspension of Elliott derailed season. Dak's 1st half QB rating of 97.9 plummeted to 73.8 in 2nd half of season.

I don't share what happened in 2015 and 2017 to make excuses. Those are just the facts of what happened. I believe that without those two seasons of the Cowboys playing very well, Garrett would have gotten fired. But the Jones family believes the mitigating factors of 2015 & 2017 don't accurately reflect the talent of the team, as reflected by what Jerry Jones recently said about the gap between the Cowboys and Eagles being smaller than perceived. But I do think Garrett MUST have a big bounce back year in 2018 to keep his job in 2019.
 

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He claps better than most. As a matter of fact, I believe he is on a course for 1st ballot induction into the Clappers Hall of Fame.
CAREFUL!!! you'll get ole streetwise all uppity and pissing himself calling out the clapping carrot!
 

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In 2 of the last 4 years, the Cowboys have had the best overall record in the NFL.

2014: 12-4 Tied with Seahawks and Packers for top record in the NFL. Although Dallas beat Seattle, who beat Green Bay in the regular season, Dallas lost the tie breakers due to Conference record
2015: 4-12 Cowboys lost DeMarco Murray before the season, Dez Bryant in Game 1, and Tony Romo in Game 2. That's the equivalent of the 90's Cowboys losing all three triplets before the end of the 2nd game of the year.
2016: 13-3 Secured #1 seed in playoffs
2017: 9-7 6-game suspension of Elliott derailed season. Dak's 1st half QB rating of 97.9 plummeted to 73.8 in 2nd half of season.

I don't share what happened in 2015 and 2017 to make excuses. Those are just the facts of what happened. I believe that without those two seasons of the Cowboys playing very well, Garrett would have gotten fired. But the Jones family believes the mitigating factors of 2015 & 2017 don't accurately reflect the talent of the team, as reflected by what Jerry Jones recently said about the gap between the Cowboys and Eagles being smaller than perceived. But I do think Garrett MUST have a big bounce back year in 2018 to keep his job in 2019.

My thought is great coaches overcome injuries to their star players even QBs. The Steelers and Pats both come to mind.
 

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Dang! 17+ pages about the strengths of Garrett! We must have a great coach!
Yea, and here I said on the 1st page that this would be a short discussion. But hey, I can still predict the weather better than some meteorologists can.
 

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My thought is great coaches overcome injuries to their star players even QBs. The Steelers and Pats both come to mind.
Yes, and let us NOT forget the egglets SB win missing not only their ace QB but a few more on their O line and D line...but hey the clapping carrot makes a living off blaming it on "something else".
 

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I also forgot to mention that he gives R2D2 and CP3O both a run for their money in the area of communication.
 

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Players love him and play hard for him, and that counts for a lot. Contrast this to McAdoo and Fisher who were hated amongst their most recent group of players.

He handles his relationship with Jerry much better than Parcells or Phillips did, at least publically.

He hires quality assistants because he is well liked and thought of in coaching circles.

He vouched for FO guys like McClay which has improved player eval tremendously.

His teams are generally excellent in the red zone both offensively and defensively as well as on special teams.
 

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He’s intelligent, organized, consistent, and able to dampen the circus atmosphere Jerry insists on cultivating. He develops players well. He keeps the team focused, and they play hard.

Most of what he does poorly is massively exaggerated by upset fans. They hated his play calling, though his offenses were generally in the top ten in the league in terms of production/series. They are his press conferences, though fail to understand he does it for a very good reason. They hate his clapping...never understood why that was such an issue. Really, what they’re unhappy about is the team not going on a playoff run, and when they don’t like that result, the easiest person to blame is the coach. Personally, I don’t think he’s miss d the playoffs with a playoff caliber team until last season.

Agree

Garrett would have a job in 30 minutes if we fired him. Among NFL coaches and GMs he is extremely well thought of.
 

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Agree

Garrett would have a job in 30 minutes if we fired him. Among NFL coaches and GMs he is extremely well thought of.

That seems to be the case. And he'd handle himself well in an interview. Would have good references. It'd be interesting to see if he'd be (more) successful elsewhere.
 

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This is a topic that is a glutton for punishment. :( Whatever strengths he has, I hope he puts them to use this season! :clap:
 
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