Jason Taylor is being shopped

[CF74]

You mean the same aggressive Defense which we hung up 75+ points on in two games?

We lost cause TO was hurt and had no one else to pick up the slack.

If you want to beat the Giants D again, get another WR to complement TO.

And cause they outlawed stick em

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Unlike Parcells, Wade taylors (pun intended) his defense around his players, not vice-versa. His Defense would not look the same if Taylor were obtained. The Giants seemed to do okay with their surplus of Defensive ends, so outside the box thinking can be a good thing.

As to your sack stat, Jason Taylor got 11 sacks by being his teams greatest defensive player and their only pressure player, getting gameplanned around and double teamed each week. In Dallas, Ellis gets padded stats due to Ware being the one teams gameplan around. Comparing their "sack stats" alone would be a good gauge if they were both second fiddle, but not in this case.

I would reason that Miami is already stupid to think non-Commanders teams would bite at Taylor for a number one pick and the Commanders won't bite because they are still trying to get that receiver for their two number ones. Parcells is also the same guy that thought Carp would make a good 3-4 LB and that they should pick Spears over Ware, so he can have some brain farts here and there.

One final thing: Parcells was instrumental in pushing Emmitt out the door in favor of that all time great Troy Hambrick. They are going to get rid of Taylor if they can and I would suspect that he will still be around later this summer for a much cheaper price tag.

Emmitt needed to be out the door. Sorry to say but those are the facts of the matter. Carp does not fit the 34 IMO and Spears is just steady IMO. How do any of these things make a case for trading for a backup? Taylor will play behind Ware in a 34 because that's the only place he can play. His game is edge rusher. How are you going to change your defense to suite that? He can't play ILB, he can't play Strong OLB, he can't play NT, he can't play NT. I guess we could really jump out the box and play him at Safety.

You don't trade for old players with the entent to change your defense to fit them. They will be gone soon. Why would you do that.

At this point, I can only assume that you are yanking my chain. Nobody could possibly believe what you are writting could be true. It's been great but now I have to move along. I recommend you go seek out Hos' leg to pull. His play Jingle Bells.

 

[joseephuss]

Emmitt needed to be out the door. Sorry to say but those are the facts of the matter. Carp does not fit the 34 IMO and Spears is just steady IMO. How do any of these things make a case for trading for a backup? Taylor will play behind Ware in a 34 because that's the only place he can play. His game is edge rusher. How are you going to change your defense to suite that? He can't play ILB, he can't play Strong OLB, he can't play NT, he can't play NT. I guess we could really jump out the box and play him at Safety.

You don't trade for old players with the entent to change your defense to fit them. They will be gone soon. Why would you do that.

At this point, I can only assume that you are yanking my chain. Nobody could possibly believe what you are writting could be true. It's been great but now I have to move along. I recommend you go seek out Hos' leg to pull. His play Jingle Bells.

I disagree that Taylor can't play SOLB. I think he can especially in a platoon type situation. I just don't think he is worth the price to bring him in to play that position for Dallas. Plus Dallas is fine at the position already with Ellis and Spencer. Why throw a lot of money or draft picks to address a position that is already in good shape? There are other areas that Dallas needs to improve upon in order to win a championship. You don't do that throwing out a 1st round pick for a $7 million dollar player.

 

[America's Team]

I think he is too old, sorry hostile, no offense

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Emmitt needed to be out the door. Sorry to say but those are the facts of the matter. Carp does not fit the 34 IMO and Spears is just steady IMO. How do any of these things make a case for trading for a backup? Taylor will play behind Ware in a 34 because that's the only place he can play. His game is edge rusher. How are you going to change your defense to suite that? He can't play ILB, he can't play Strong OLB, he can't play NT, he can't play NT. I guess we could really jump out the box and play him at Safety.

You don't trade for old players with the entent to change your defense to fit them. They will be gone soon. Why would you do that.

At this point, I can only assume that you are yanking my chain. Nobody could possibly believe what you are writting could be true. It's been great but now I have to move along. I recommend you go seek out Hos' leg to pull. His play Jingle Bells.

Of course people could believe it to be true. I'm not one of them (the first post was in jest), but to say that no one could believe that would be very far fetched. I would just as soon say no one would ever use "writting" in a sentence, but it just happened.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I disagree that Taylor can't play SOLB. I think he can especially in a platoon type situation. I just don't think he is worth the price to bring him in to play that position for Dallas. Plus Dallas is fine at the position already with Ellis and Spencer. Why throw a lot of money or draft picks to address a position that is already in good shape? There are other areas that Dallas needs to improve upon in order to win a championship. You don't do that throwing out a 1st round pick for a $7 million dollar player.

He's only 255 lbs. I don't see him lasting at SOLB. Besides, if you put him in that role, your basically taking away from what you would be paying for to begin with. He's a edge pass rusher. It makes very little sense, IMO, to spend on a guy who excells at a hard position to find in the NFL and use him in another position. I would liken this to taking a DB who could play cover CB and moving him to FS. It just is not the best use of talent or financially smart IMO. There are other, better suited, cheaper options out there if you want to find a SOLB.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Of course people could believe it to be true. I'm not one of them (the first post was in jest), but to say that no one could believe that would be very far fetched. I would just as soon say no one would ever use "writting" in a sentence, but it just happened.

OK, maybe one guy.

 

[joseephuss]

He's only 255 lbs. I don't see him lasting at SOLB. Besides, if you put him in that role, your basically taking away from what you would be paying for to begin with. He's a edge pass rusher. It makes very little sense, IMO, to spend on a guy who excells at a hard position to find in the NFL and use him in another position. I would liken this to taking a DB who could play cover CB and moving him to FS. It just is not the best use of talent or financially smart IMO. There are other, better suited, cheaper options out there if you want to find a SOLB.

If he can last a full game playing DE in a 4-3, then he can play a full game as a SOLB in the 3-4. The SOLB probably takes less of a beating than a 4-3 DE. Like I said, I think he can do it. I just don't think he is worth the cost that it would take for him to do it in Dallas. It is about value. On that we both agree.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If he could play SOLB, I doubt Miami would be trying to trade him. Even when they played a 34 set, he was a WOLB. I just don't think so but, your right. We do agree on the value proposition.

 

[BAT]

Just because you say something over and over ad nauseum does not make it true.

Jason Taylor is much better against the run than Ellis. Maybe if you watched him play more than a couple of times you would realize this.

Hell, Ware would make a better SOLB than Ellis due to his athleticism and tenacity. Just b/c a player is bigger, that does not equate to ability.

Otherwise Bobby Carpenter would have beaten out both James and Ayodele by now.

On a side note, no one, not even Jerry will trade a first for Taylor. Ellis and Fasano for Taylor and a 2008 second day pick, maybe. Parcells would love 2 guys who understand his philosophy AND plug & play in 2008. And Wade would love the addition of another catalytic player likeTaylor, who would take the Dallas pass rush to another level whether he plays as 3rd down pass rush specialist or starter at OLB.

 

[Eskimo]

Just because you say something over and over ad nauseum does not make it true.

Jason Taylor is much better against the run than Ellis. Maybe if you watched him play more than a couple of times you would realize this.

Hell, Ware would make a better SOLB than Ellis due to his athleticism and tenacity. Just b/c a player is bigger, that does not equate to ability.

Otherwise Bobby Carpenter would have beaten out both James and Ayodele by now.

On a side note, no one, not even Jerry will trade a first for Taylor. Ellis and Fasano for Taylor and a 2008 second day pick, maybe. Parcells would love 2 guys who understand his philosophy AND plug & play in 2008. And Wade would love the addition of another catalytic player likeTaylor, who would take the Dallas pass rush to another level whether he plays as 3rd down pass rush specialist or starter at OLB.

That deal would be fine by me. Parcells gets a big, Italian TE from New Jersey (is he a coach's son - that would be a perfect Parcells player) and Ellis to bring in his attitude/approach and we get an elite pass rusher that we can use creatively. Imagine a pass rush rotation of Ware/Taylor/Spencer/Ratliff/Johnson/Canty/Hatcher. We could pound QBs into oblivion with the secondary blanketed by Pacman/TNew/Henry.

So much for the problem of getting teams off the field on 3rd downs.

 

[jobberone]

They could find a way to use Taylor. You don't give up a one for a player who is 34 and has a $8 million not $7 million contract. He'd be a part-time player. Ellis is better than people think.

 

[MONT17]

callin an O teams change the strong side based on how they want to attack the D, they use shifts and motion... u dont see Ware and Ellis changing places just b4 the snap based on shifts and motion, do u?

Adding taylor would improve the D and maybe extend his career just like Ellis!

Salary? when was the last time a player traded did not get a new deal from his new team?

Like someone said its not the fans job to figure out where the guys play and line up... its the coaches job!

Taylor for a day 1 pick is alot but I would trade 5 Bobby Carpenters for him right now!


BP is asking 4 a 1 so he can get talked down to a 2 or 3.... everyone does it!!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You guys are funny. I almost hope we do something like this so I can watch all of you explain this proposed failed experiment away.

But yeah, go ahead and trade a #1 or whatever for this guy. Yeah, he's gonna take less money now then what he can get in Miami because why? Because we are Dallas, of course. Sure, I get it now. While we are at it, lets just move Ware to the Strong Side too. After all, good coaches make the talent work right? So lets just move Ware to the strong side. Lets take our best defensive player and diminsh his ability to make plays ourselves. Good idea.

Now, we can have Taylor, Ellis and Spencer at the Strong Side. Makes all the sense in the world.

Lets do that.

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

Per ESPN, Jason Taylor of the Miami Dolphins is being shopped for a 1st round pick FWIW.

I bet his Brother in law Z.thomas has already made a few calls to him, askin him: " Hey Jason, how does Dallas sound to you?"

 

[Vintage]

Vrabel weighs 261, 6 pounds heavier than Jason Taylor.

Is 6 pounds really that much of a difference?

 

[BrassCowboy]

There is ZERO reason to trade Ellis for Taylor. That is a wash. Ellis did just fine with his 12 sacks on the otherside of Ware last year. There is no need to trade his 30 something butt for another 30 something butt AND give up a first rounder to do so. That is just plain stupid.

agree with you 100%.

To give up a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd for Jason Taylor in our situation would be the absolute dumbest thing in the world to do.

 

[kbduke]

Yep, you can tell the draft is coming up cause now we are getting some of the absolutely most ridiculous rumors. Anyone trading a 32 year old defensive end/linebacker for a first round pick needs to go back to their playstation. Hey Bill, we will take an 7 million dollar cap hit on a 32 year old player, even though we just used a first round pick last year for one. We only have 5million caps space but I'm sure Goodell will make an exception cause he likes the team colors. LOL! No better time in football!

 

[Clove]

I'd make a play for JT, I'd move Ellis & Spears or both straight up, and maybe throw in a 6th. Either that, or we can give him 2 # 1 picks for JT. NO! not in reality, in theory, we can give them Carpenter and Spears, they were both #1s.

 

[Clove]

agree with you 100%.

To give up a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd for Jason Taylor in our situation would be the absolute dumbest thing in the world to do.

Except for 1 thing. Ellis doesn't bring CONSTANT pressure, he brings occasional pressure, and that won't cut it. Haley, brought constant pressure, so does JT.