Jay Cutler 7-yr Contract Extension - $50 mil guaranteed

DatWin said:
I'm not saying it was a good move by the Bears, but if we're using one game as a measuring stick for Jay Cutler, then we would have to do the same for Romo as well...and we all know what kind of games he's had.

Romo has more stats, but Cutler has advanced his team further than Romo has...that's what my criteria for accomplishment is. Jim Everett outclassed Aikman in just about every single passing statistic as well, I wouldn't say he's more accomplished. I wouldn't say Romo is more accomplished than Eli or Flacco either.

I realize Jay Cutler hasn't won a Super Bowl, but it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black when posters here say how horrible of a deal this was for Chicago without taking into consideration that we pretty much did the exact same thing.
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Football is a team sport genius. Romo needs a defense that can make the opposing team punt and not score on every single drive. He also needs a defense that doesn't fold every time the offense scores and that can actually hold a lead in the 4th quarter.
 
neobacon said:
Football is a team sport genius. Romo needs a defense that can make the opposing team punt and not score on every single drive. He also needs a defense that doesn't fold every time the offense scores and that can actually hold a lead in the 4th quarter.
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You're right, football is a team sport. Jay Cutler and Tony Romo both play for teams. Jay Cutler was on a team that advanced further into the playoffs than Tony Romo's teams.

The problem I have with what you just said is that both Romo lovers and Romo haters use the "team" argument to prove their point. If the Cowboys lose, it's because of Romo according to the haters, and because of the team according to the lovers. If they win, it's because of Romo according to the lovers, and the team according to the haters.

I'm simply trying to be objective here. Yes, there were times when certain defensive players contributed to the loss. But there have also been times when Tony Romo has contributed to a loss, and that right there, is a massive understatement.
 
DatWin said:
You're right, football is a team sport. Jay Cutler and Tony Romo both play for teams. Jay Cutler was on a team that advanced further into the playoffs than Tony Romo's teams.

The problem I have with what you just said is that both Romo lovers and Romo haters use the "team" argument to prove their point. If the Cowboys lose, it's because of Romo according to the haters, and because of the team according to the lovers. If they win, it's because of Romo according to the lovers, and the team according to the haters.

I'm simply trying to be objective here. Yes, there were times when certain defensive players contributed to the loss. But there have also been times when Tony Romo has contributed to a loss, and that right there, is a massive understatement.
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Tony Romo is a better QB than Jay Cutler. That's all that really matters, IMHO.
 
DatWin said:
You're right, football is a team sport. Jay Cutler and Tony Romo both play for teams. Jay Cutler was on a team that advanced further into the playoffs than Tony Romo's teams.

The problem I have with what you just said is that both Romo lovers and Romo haters use the "team" argument to prove their point. If the Cowboys lose, it's because of Romo according to the haters, and because of the team according to the lovers. If they win, it's because of Romo according to the lovers, and the team according to the haters.

I'm simply trying to be objective here. Yes, there were times when certain defensive players contributed to the loss. But there have also been times when Tony Romo has contributed to a loss, and that right there, is a massive understatement.
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no you are not being objective. Because outside of Romo haters find someone with credibility that would take Cutler over Romo.
 
DatWin said:
Since we signed then 33 year old Tony Romo, who's accomplished a tad bit less in his career than Jay Cutler, to a 6 year $110 million contract, we as Cowboys fans can't really ridicule this move...
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Except for the fact Romo has been consistently better than Cutler during the entirety of his career.
 
CyberB0b said:
He was terrible in that NFC championship game. Tim Tebow Terrible. 43% completion percentage and 2 picks, and then got injured. Romo has a higher completion percentage, 53 more TDs, 11 less INTs, more yards per attempt. Basically, every stat that matters, Romo has outclassed Cutler.
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Typical Romo fan. Could care less about wins.
 
burmafrd said:
no you are not being objective. Because outside of Romo haters find someone with credibility that would take Cutler over Romo.
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I would take neither. I want success, not a heart felt victory in September.
 
Clove said:
Who cares? How many playoff victories does he have. I'll give you 1 finger to count on.
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How many does Cutler have? The same amount.

I am not saying Romo is Brady, but he is better than Cutler.
 
fwiw

I think this QB contract derby has gotten out of hand.
Cutler, Romo, Stafford, Ryan....all overpaid in various degrees.
If there was no slary cap, that'd be one thing. But the guarenteed portions of theses deals--which is all that really matters--is really prohibitive.
 
DatWin said:
Like what? They both have a single playoff victory, only that Jay Cutler has played (a little bit) in an NFC Championship game. He's already the Bears all time leader for completions and passer rating and second (will no doubt end up first in both) for yards and TDs in 5 seasons.
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Cutler is already first in passing yards with the Bears. It isn't that great of an accomplishment. The Bear team record was and is under 15,000 yards(Cutler right now with 14,913 yds). That is a very low total no matter what era of the NFL. Dallas has 5 QBs with more than that(Meredith 17,199 yds, Staubach 22,700 yds, White 21,959 yds, Aikman 32,942 yds and Romo 29,565 yds)

Not that any of those Bear accomplishments really matter. Romo will be the team record holder for all those same stats with Dallas.

Clove said:
Typical Romo fan. Could care less about wins.
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Romo has more wins than Cutler and a better winning percentage.

Romo in 108 starts is 63-45 or 58.33%.

Cutler in 104 starts is 56-48 or 53.85%.

Romo has a higher completion percentage, higher touchdown percentage, lower interception percentage, higher average yards per attempt, higher average yards per completion, more passing yards, more TDs, less interceptions and a higher passer rating. There is a stat called the "adjusted net yards gained per pass attempt". It takes into account yards, TDs, interceptions, the number of times sacked and the yards lost to sacks. Romo has a ANY/A of 6.96 while Culter has a 5.84.
 
DatWin said:
Since we signed then 33 year old Tony Romo, who's accomplished a tad bit less in his career than Jay Cutler, to a 6 year $110 million contract, we as Cowboys fans can't really ridicule this move...
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Exactly and that's what erks me about some Cowboys fans, always quick to ridicule someone else when we in fact have done similar moves.
 
Romo, Cutler and Ryan are all about the same.Romo may be a little bitter but not that much.
 
joseephuss said:
Cutler is already first in passing yards with the Bears. It isn't that great of an accomplishment. The Bear team record was and is under 15,000 yards(Cutler right now with 14,913 yds). That is a very low total no matter what era of the NFL. Dallas has 5 QBs with more than that(Meredith 17,199 yds, Staubach 22,700 yds, White 21,959 yds, Aikman 32,942 yds and Romo 29,565 yds)

Not that any of those Bear accomplishments really matter. Romo will be the team record holder for all those same stats with Dallas.
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So by that logic, what Adrian Peterson is doing isn't very impressive since the Vikings haven't had any good running backs before him.
 
burmafrd said:
no you are not being objective. Because outside of Romo haters find someone with credibility that would take Cutler over Romo.
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I'm not a Romo hater. But jeeze, say anything but praise for the guy and it's like throwing a piece of meat into a shark tank...

My points are far more objective than the notion that "no one outside of Romo haters would take Jay Cutler over Tony"
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Except for the fact Romo has been consistently better than Cutler during the entirety of his career.
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Romo and Jay Cutler have been consistently mediocre during their entire careers. They aren't that much different from one another which is my whole point...people are saying this is the stupidest deal in Bears history when we just signed a guy to a similar contract, who's 4 years older, and the same amount of post season victories.
 
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