Twitter: Jaylon movement

[LocimusPrime]

 

[LocimusPrime]

 

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[Future]

pretty easy/lazy to clip one play and attach it to overall ability

Sturm has pointed out the same thing several times. He whiffed exactly the same way on the first screen to Cook too.

The problem with Jaylon is that, yes, he does struggle to move laterally, but it's made so much worse by the fact that he just has absolutely 0 feel. His only strength - he's great at it, mind you - is running very fast in a straight line and hoping the ball carrier is somewhere in that path because otherwise it's going to be a missed tackle.

 

[Future]

One thing he definitely does is try to tackle high.

Also on the play let’s note LVE whiffs too.

Our LBs have been very disappointing this year.

That's not a whiff. We just went over this. That is maintaining outside leverage and defeating the block to force the carrier back into the flow of the defense.

 

[jwooten15]

In the spirit of spreading the love around watch how long it takes for LVE to commit to the ball carrier. It's almost as if he expects play action so he's sitting back almost 5yds off the LOS.

The Akoye video on youtube speaks to your point and makes you depressed over LVE lol

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

They should get the thumper back in the fold. He wants back in.

 

[JohnsKey19]

My goodness. How do these guys watch film and not be thoroughly embarassed in front of teammates? We joked about Carpenter being soft but i dont recall ever seeing something as blatant as that. And if its a physical issue, he shouldnt be playing. Seriously, if you're an opposing OC, you're dialing up power runs right at 54.

 

[OmerV]

This was an affliction that struck a lot of the Cowboy defenders Sunday. I'm always wondering when watching NFL games if somewhere along the way coaches quit teaching tacklers to break down so they are prepared to move either way when the ball carrier makes a cut. I suspect it's similar to how we see things get lax in other sports where wanting to make the standout or highlight play often overrides making the fundamental and more sure play.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Yeah, Smith isnt' doing well this season. Gonna have to hang up the 54 Jersey, possibly hit back up #4 or #88.

Not too impressed with Smith or The "Wolf" this season. Lee been the best, but, even he has lost a step. What looked so promising last season, isn't this season. Kinda like 90 million.

 

[xwalker]

They coach him to error on the side of over-running the play to the outside.

His assignment to to cut of the outside path and then attempt to make the tackle.

Generally the deeper defender are to the inside. If he misses the tackle but redirects the RB inside, then the chance of help being available is much higher.

This type of play has happened too often for it to be an accident that he always errors to the outside forcing the cut back to the inside.

The bigger issue is that he had to move a significant distance to get there in the first place and nobody had slowed the RB down. LVE also had to come from too far away and had to navigate around multiple OL.

The DT (Is it Bennett) can make contact with the RB there but didn't. When the RB is a known threat on screens, the DT should bump him in that situation. Also, the DT didn't get his hands up when the QB started the throw.

There were scheme/coaching issues on that play and a couple of issues with the DT.

 

[blueblood70]

hes not the first or last player to be juked by a good RB or WR..it happens..

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I've tried hard to be excited about Jaylon, but I've just never seen what so many were praising him for.

People have been sucked in by the 3 or 4 splash plays he makes a year. But that is what fans do. So I can't be upset with fans. Lord knows Jerry loves fans like this. But the PROFESSIONALs over in that building. The coaches, the scouts, the front office...they should NOT be fans. And for FAR too long...the person with the MOST influence over this organization....is a FAN!!!!!

Splash plays are fine. But SOLID play should be the minimum. And I am with you...I don't see why everyone is so hype about this guy. He is not even SOLID!!

 

[Walker]

I saw a clip of Emmitt Smith get tackled behind the line of scrimmage, not sure how he got into the HOF.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

They coach him to error on the side of over-running the play to the outside.

His assignment to to cut of the outside path and then attempt to make the tackle.

Generally the deeper defender are to the inside. If he misses the tackle but redirects the RB inside, then the chance of help being available is much higher.

This type of play has happened too often for it to be an accident that he always errors to the outside forcing the cut back to the inside.

The bigger issue is that he had to move a significant distance to get there in the first place and nobody had slowed the RB down. LVE also had to come from too far away and had to navigate around multiple OL.

The DT (Is it Bennett) can make contact with the RB there but didn't. When the RB is a known threat on screens, the DT should bump him in that situation. Also, the DT didn't get his hands up when the QB started the throw.

There were scheme/coaching issues on that play and a couple of issues with the DT.

Is your assessment factual. Because I have to be honest...it sounds like you are making excuses for this guy. You are telling us that he is COACHED to overrun plays?

 

[xwalker]

Is your assessment factual. Because I have to be honest...it sounds like you are making excuses for this guy. You are telling us that he is COACHED to overrun plays?

Cutting off the outside path is a fundamental football concept.

It is the basic assignment for LBs on most teams that they must cut off the outside path in situations like the play in question.

LVE was on that side of the field but was in front of Jaylon and didn't make the tackle.

It was easy for Jaylon to see LVE and know that LVE was not behind him to come up and help from that side.

If you watch many hours of coaches film, you would see their assignment on those types of plays is to cut off the outside path.

Obviously some smaller LBs could likely get to the outside and stop more quickly than Jaylon did which would give them a better shot to cut off the outside but still make the tackle. Jaylon is obviously playing at a relatively heavy weight for a 4-3 LB. He has to be at least 250 and likely more. There are some plays that Dexter Coakley could have made that Jaylon won't make but there are many things Jaylon can do what Coakley couldn't. All of the Belichick LBs look much more like Jaylon than Coakley and the Pats played a 4-3 last season.

They are using Jaylon much more as a pass rusher. On 3rd downs they often play a 3 man DL with Jaylon replacing one of the DTs. Lee or Thomas then replace Jaylon's normal role while Jaylon plays the hybrid LB/DL role. It's very similar to how the Patriots use their LBs; although, the Pats do it much more often and in more varied ways.

Football is always about trade-offs. The Cowboys decided to draft big LBs and not have them keep their weight at the lower end of their range. There are trade-offs for doing that.

Back to the specific play:

• Several things went wrong before Jaylon "over-ran" the play.
• The fact that he had to cover as much distance as he did was a big part of it.
• He had to run full speed just to get there.
• Ideally LBs shouldn't be having to run full speed to get to a RB at that location on the field (i.e. within 10 yards of the line and inside the yard-line numbers.

 

[xwalker]

The Akoye video on youtube speaks to your point and makes you depressed over LVE lol

He is wrong on some of this points.

On the play starting at 4:04 in the video, if Jaylon takes the outside of the blocker then LVE's assignment is going to be the gap that Jaylon didn't fill which is to the inside of the same blocker.

On an earlier play he claims LVE took a horrible angle but he does not show the wide view to allow people to see the angle. He does this on other videos because it is easier to make the point if he does not show all of the play.

This video guy is better than some of the others but he is often wrong.

 

[xwalker]

That's not a whiff. We just went over this. That is maintaining outside leverage and defeating the block to force the carrier back into the flow of the defense.

@Sydla

@Future is correct.

That's not really a whiff.

LVE must cut off the path path outside that blocker. He has to run hard to have any chance to make the tackle while staying outside the blocker.

The issue is that LVE had to cover too much distance and nobody slowed down Cook prior to LVE getting to the point to attempt the tackle.

LVE and Jaylon having to cover that much distance and no defender before them slowing down Cook, points to either mistakes by other defenders or a scheme issue.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Sturm is rich on this one

 

[buybuydandavis]

Watch Jaylon get super-blocked with a simple shove on Mattison's 17yd run. Credit to xwalker for the link.

Everyone should look at Jaylon in this vid.

Not only is Jaylon taken out of the play with a push, at no moment after the push does he even *attempt* to get back in the play. Maximal loaf. Not a good look.