Go look at the OL stats and tell me Philbin is doing a horrible job again. You cant use stats when you feel like it. They are an all around thing.but the stats say otherwise...
funny thing about stats...they speak truth.
Tackles are a stupid stat. Every stadium does it differently
no, they speak what the person wants them to speak unless the audience knows the context. in this case the audience is well versed in how irrelevant & misleading this stat is. Jaylon is horrible. That is the truth.funny thing about stats...they speak truth.
I don't know about that. everytime i watch other teams one of the first thing that jumps out to me is their LB's sticking their nose in the hole & popping the ball carrier. and I'm not talking about highly touted LBers, I'm talking guys i don't even recognize.You know the hate Jaylen gets is because he doesn’t look as good as he did a few years ago. When you look around the league....or hell just look at the teams we play...linebacker play just isn’t what it once was. As crazy as it may sound...Jaylon is closer to league average than he is the worst.
Guy is a trash player, it'll be good to see him gone.
Yeah I’m not seeing it. Even look at the PFF grades...most linebackers are in the 50-60 range. I’m not saying Jaylon isn’t flawed. And we could get better linebacker play. I’m just saying that position is not getting great play around the league. There’s no Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis’s out there. There’s no Luke Kuechly. Hell there’s not even a Sean Lee out here.I don't know about that. everytime i watch other teams one of the first thing that jumps out to me is their LB's sticking their nose in the hole & popping the ball carrier. and I'm not talking about highly touted LBers, I'm talking guys i don't even recognize.
I don't hate it, it's entirely meaningless.
Tackle numbers are subjective. He has 25 more on PFF than NFL.com, and 23 more than ESPN lolthey are solo tackles....
no, they speak what the person wants them to speak unless the audience knows the context. in this case the audience is well versed in how irrelevant & misleading this stat is. Jaylon is horrible. That is the truth.
but the stats say otherwise...
funny thing about stats...they speak truth.
well no, not compared to those guys. you are putting out some big time names. but their is an ocean between Jaylon's play and what i'm seeing from other LBers. I don't say this lightly but he is a player that i would cut & feel like whoever replaced him was going to be better. That's how bad i think he is.Yeah I’m not seeing it. Even look at the PFF grades...most linebackers are in the 50-60 range. I’m not saying Jaylon isn’t flawed. And we could get better linebacker play. I’m just saying that position is not getting great play around the league. There’s no Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis’s out there. There’s no Luke Kuechly. Hell there’s not even a Sean Lee out here.
LOL....
There is a VERY famous quote....and true to many critical thinkers:
"there are lies damn lies and statistics"
I like hwo the OP didn't even give meaning to the quote. Just threw it out there. Bait.
That's exactly correct. Throwing out a stat is meaningless....unless you describe the situation in which you are using it. Dincanlso doesn't understand this philosophy. Probably because he's a notre dame homer or something.Yes, context is essential. If Smith makes the tackle, wherever and however he does it, then it goes down in the stats. But say he misses the tackle in the backfield, but the runner, etc. has to slow up past the line because the safety is in his way, and Smith tackles him after a 10 yard gain and a first down, then, well it's a tackle, but not a good play, he missed the opportunity to make a tackle for a loss.
Or if a runner is strung out down the line for 20 yards and Smith gets off the ground, again because he missed the tackle earlier, and chases him down and tackles the runner a yard before he would have gone out of bounds, it's still credited to Smith, but the play was really made by whoever kept the runner from cutting up field, and didn't do anything except keep the clock running (which maybe the Cowboys didn't want).
I don't pay much attention to tackle stats, just for those reasons....
That's exactly what my eyes have been viewing all year.....poor interior line play reflects on LBs, including LVE and Coach.
Myt boss is a statistician of sorts. A quality manager and COO. We keep a ton of records in our laboratory, including XL spreadsheets. When he makes the quality control charts, he makes the UQL and LQL movable....just in case you get some minor outliers. He can fool the auditors easily.I took stats in college. Doesn't take long to learn stats can be made to sit up and bark like a dog if you know what you're doing. Sometimes numbers look so logical but when you apply statistical analysis, the answer is not what "logic" would dictate...
Why can't Jaylon be where the 300 pound man...ISN'T. Is it that hard to not run directly at a 300 pound man?It's kind of hard to make tackles at the line of scrimmage when you have a 300-pound man blocking your way 5 yards downfield. Better DTs would allow Jaylon more clean runs to the ball. That he's fighting through traffic and blocks and still making a lot of tackles is a good thing. Hopefully, if we improve the interior, where he's making those tackles also will improve.
I think this idea that both Jaylon and LVE were good but now they both suck should tell us that's not the whole story, especially when we consider who we've got playing in front of them on the line.