Jaylon Smith Change of Direction Analysis

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not in the Dallas area. The sports talk guys dominate the local sports media. Most of the print media guys do guest spots and some are regulars on radio.

I've heard some of the radio guys in the Northeast that just spend all day screaming and ranting "Cowboys Suck" and "Wentz is already better than Joe Montana". In Dallas they actually do cover sports. Yes, they mix in "bits", but they cover sports topics in great detail and have great guests.

Who cares? Exposure is not the same thing as access and reliability. George and Machota have the same press pass that Galloway has.

Sports radio manufactures controversy out of innuendo and conjecture regularly and babble about it. Maybe you think it is relevant but I don't.

 

[xwalker]

I can't imagine he'd be effective at all playing with a paralyzed calf/foot.

Need to prepare like he's not even here, if he somehow makes the full recovery then that's gravy.

He can push off fine on his calf. The issue is that his foot does on come back up by itself. He has a "brace" that is a spring like device that forces the foot back into place.

The attached image is called a Leaf Spring Drop Foot AFO. I'm sure that Jaylon has a higher tech version. I would imagine they experiment with how much spring action is needed. Players have played games with this type of device.

 

[xwalker]

Who cares? Exposure is not the same thing as access and reliability. George and Machota have the same press pass that Galloway has.

Sports radio manufactures controversy out of innuendo and conjecture regularly and babble about it. Maybe you think it is relevant but I don't.

Galloway retired a few years ago.

The Cowboy media guys like Broaddus and Mickey also work for the Fan in the Cowboys agreement with the Radio Station. Jerry and Stephen do weekly shows with The Fan during he season. Fisher also works for The Fan.

If there is any hint that the nerve is really working, those guys will know about it. They bring up Jaylon multiple times per week, even now that the season is over. Most "what will happen next year" radio discussion include some reference to Jaylon.

I'm not sure why you're pursuing this issue when you know that if Jaylon's leg was working, that more than 1 reporter would know about it. Sometimes I think you just like to take a contrarian stance so you can argue about stuff.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Galloway retired a few years ago.

The Cowboy media guys like Broaddus and Mickey also work for the Fan in the Cowboys agreement with the Radio Station. Jerry and Stephen do weekly shows with The Fan during he season. Fisher also works for The Fan.

If there is any hint that the nerve is really working, those guys will know about it. They bring up Jaylon multiple times per week, even now that the season is over. Most "what will happen next year" radio discussion include some reference to Jaylon.

I'm not sure why you're pursuing this issue when you know that if Jaylon's leg was working, that more than 1 reporter would know about it. Sometimes I think you just like to take a contrarian stance so you can argue about stuff.

I am not pursuing anything. I am reference a report that explicitly indicates the nerve is firing. You are the one pursuing a backdoor to try and discredit the report.

Please point to anything they have said that contradicts George's report. Everything I see is them beating around the bush. We have seen them say the brace is not a factor.

As an added bonus you do not get to speak for what they know or don't know. You like filling in the gaps with unknowable assertions; we know this from experience.

Point is that George has the same press pass as those guys do.

 

[xwalker]

I am not pursuing anything. I am reference a report that explicitly indicates the nerve is firing. You are the one pursuing a backdoor to try and discredit the report.

Please point to anything they have said that contradicts George's report. Everything I see is them beating around the bush. We have seen them say the brace is not a factor.

As an added bonus you do not get to speak for what they know or don't know. You like filling in the gaps with unknowable assertions; we know this from experience.

Point is that George has the same press pass as those guys do.

Jaylon said that is he played in the playoffs that he would have to use the brace.

There is no back door. This is a big story and the Cowboys are widely covered by the media. If his leg is working, there would be more than one story about it. If his latest workout video was done without the brace, it would be big news, but in reality is latest video looks very similar to a video of him from months ago.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I am not pursuing anything. I am reference a report that explicitly indicates the nerve is firing. You are the one pursuing a backdoor to try and discredit the report.

Please point to anything they have said that contradicts George's report. Everything I see is them beating around the bush. We have seen them say the brace is not a factor.

As an added bonus you do not get to speak for what they know or don't know. You like filling in the gaps with unknowable assertions; we know this from experience.

Point is that George has the same press pass as those guys do.

We also have Jeff Sullivan who writes for the team website saying unequivocably Smith will be 100% for training camp and questioning why anyone thinks otherwise. That is not an insignificant development.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jaylon said that is he played in the playoffs that he would have to use the brace.

There is no back door. This is a big story and the Cowboys are widely covered by the media. If his leg is working, there would be more than one story about it. If his latest workout video was done without the brace, it would be big news, but in reality is latest video looks very similar to a video of him from months ago.

In the military they require that any brace or support is used until the injury is fully healed. Innervation doesn't necessarily turn the muscle on like a switch. There can be a partial palsy or it can just plain have to take time for strength and control to return. The George report indicated it his reaction was catching up to the nerve which is consistent with that.

It's interesting. On the one hand you calim that reporters are ignorant and do not understand then with that same brain you claim that these same reporters as a whole would have picked up on it too.

You seemingly do this with everything. You discard anything that contradicts your bias and you let anything in that seems to support it without checking for logical consistency. If that doesn't work you wave your hands at a possible outcome and front that it is certain.

And yes there is a back door. I have a direct report from a Dallas media member indicating that the nerve is firing. A direct rebuttal would be the contradictory report that I keep asking for.

Instead what we get is backdoor deductions in the form of if X is true then Y would also be true. The issue with such deductions is you need to show that Y is uniquely caused by X or you have proved nothing.

For example in this case, what if we take your assertion that the reporters are stupid. Then that could too cause it to not be reported elsewhere. Alternately, perhaps George got an exclusive off the record interview with a doctor or trainer. That too would cause George to be the only one because they cannot independently verify. Perhaps it has been reported elsewhere and you have not found it. Then of course there is the fact that we are not omniscient and have not considered every other possible cause of reporters not all being on the same page.

Backdoor deductions are logic wrought with peril. Unless you are dealing exclusively in human constructs they are generally not worth a damn.

 

[xwalker]

In the military they require that any brace or support is used until the injury is fully healed. Innervation doesn't necessarily turn the muscle on like a switch. There can be a partial palsy or it can just plain have to take time for strength and control to return. The George report indicated it his reaction was catching up to the nerve which is consistent with that.

It's interesting. On the one hand you calim that reporters are ignorant and do not understand then with that same brain you claim that these same reporters as a whole would have picked up on it too.

You seemingly do this with everything. You discard anything that contradicts your bias and you let anything in that seems to support it without checking for logical consistency. If that doesn't work you wave your hands at a possible outcome and front that it is certain.

And yes there is a back door. I have a direct report from a Dallas media member indicating that the nerve is firing. A direct rebuttal would be the contradictory report that I keep asking for.

Instead what we get is backdoor deductions in the form of if X is true then Y would also be true. The issue with such deductions is you need to show that Y is uniquely caused by X or you have proved nothing.

For example in this case, what if we take your assertion that the reporters are stupid. Then that could too cause it to not be reported elsewhere. Alternately, perhaps George got an exclusive off the record interview with a doctor or trainer. That too would cause George to be the only one because they cannot independently verify. Perhaps it has been reported elsewhere and you have not found it. Then of course there is the fact that we are not omniscient and have not considered every other possible cause of reporters not all being on the same page.

Backdoor deductions are logic wrought with peril. Unless you are dealing exclusively in human constructs they are generally not worth a damn.

Mike Fisher said definitely that the nerve is not firing. I can't provide a link to a report on the radio.

The sports radio guys see what guys like Brandon George report. They dig into any of these types of reports when they come out. That part of their process of filling the massive number of hours per week that they have to talk about the Cowboys. It's not as if we here at CZ are the only people that can see an article in the Dallas Morning News.

 

[Vinnie2u]

No matter how good or bad the man will turn out to be... it shouldn't of been our problem. We had Sean Lee and Byron Jones and JAGS going into the draft. If we had some quality LB's I would of been all for it.

 

[haleyrules]

I have nothing against young Smith and only hope he and his situation works out great for the Cowboys. There is little question he could have been had much later in the draft. This was a typical bonehead pick by our "HoF" ah "GM". I will be forced to, with joy, eat crow if Jaylon ever starts for the Club. I really hope he does.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

I have nothing against young Smith and only hope he and his situation works out great for the Cowboys. There is little question he could have been had much later in the draft. This was a typical bonehead pick by our "HoF" ah "GM". I will be forced to, with joy, eat crow if Jaylon ever starts for the Club. I really hope he does.

I wouldn't trade the draft for anything in hindsight. No guarantee that drafting someone other than Smith also lands us Prescott, Collins, Brown, etc. Etc. The entire draft order could have changed

 

[haleyrules]

I wouldn't trade the draft for anything in hindsight. No guarantee that drafting someone other than Smith also lands us Prescott, Collins, Brown, etc. Etc. The entire draft order could have changed

Sure. Its a crap shoot. I only hope that Smith makes it. I certainly don't know. The draft, every year, is like that. The club NEEDS Smith to work out. I hope he does.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I have no more info than anyone else, certainly no crystal ball. Think it's going to work. I think the signs point that way.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mike Fisher said definitely that the nerve is not firing. I can't provide a link to a report on the radio.

The sports radio guys see what guys like Brandon George report. They dig into any of these types of reports when they come out. That part of their process of filling the massive number of hours per week that they have to talk about the Cowboys. It's not as if we here at CZ are the only people that can see an article in the Dallas Morning News.

No podcast, no twitter, no nothing.

You are going to have to do better than that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Went back to mid Jan on Fishers Twitter feed. Found 22 tweets about Jaylon and not one even came close to what you claim.

Instead we get innuendo that leads the other way like:

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Not in the Dallas area. The sports talk guys dominate the local sports media. Most of the print media guys do guest spots and some are regulars on radio.

I've heard some of the radio guys in the Northeast that just spend all day screaming and ranting "Cowboys Suck" and "Wentz is already better than Joe Montana". In Dallas they actually do cover sports. Yes, they mix in "bits", but they cover sports topics in great detail and have great guests.

I'm not ignorant enough to think it's impossible, but in my experience it's unlikely. I do know that the DMN folks have a way more stable reputation as a reliable medium than any sports talk radio folks in the Dallas area.
Print guys would obviously do guest spots on radio because 1. They are the experts and 2. They want to take any opportunity to build their brand.

 

[Bohuntr97]

I may have asked this before, but why cant he play with a brace if needed? Many videos have shown that he can run and cut in drills. I understand that taking on a big DE could be a problem, down after down. However many players play with some kind of "support", brace or whatever. The dude, even with a brace still looks like a stud.

Are the brass just being cautious?

 

[xwalker]

I'm not ignorant enough to think it's impossible, but in my experience it's unlikely. I do know that the DMN folks have a way more stable reputation as a reliable medium than any sports talk radio folks in the Dallas area.
Print guys would obviously do guest spots on radio because 1. They are the experts and 2. They want to take any opportunity to build their brand.

Maybe 10+ years ago. DMN is barely surviving while Sports Talk Radio is thriving.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

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Maybe 10+ years ago. DMN is barely surviving while Sports Talk Radio is thriving.

Accuracy and credibility do not necessarily equal profitability and vice versa. Porn is thriving too but I'm not going to rely on a porn site for accurate information about Jaylon Smith's knee

 

[xwalker]

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Accuracy and credibility do not necessarily equal profitability and vice versa. Porn is thriving too but I'm not going to rely on a porn site for accurate information about Jaylon Smith's knee

You don't appear to live in Dallas. If not, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Run along and build up some credibility around here. Until then, I'm not interested in what newbie poster's opinion.