Jean-Jacques Taylor: Henson Project Could Be Sacked

[Bob Sacamano]

So do tell where Parcell's is wrong.

not saying he's wrong, just that he only knows what Henson is or isn't capable of now, not in the future, which is why he's still here

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe you ought to watch the game again, because I doubt Henson fumbled on his first snap because they were on loose coverage.

They were blitzing pretty well. But I think Chicago had game film on Henson and were prepared to play him, rather than Baltimore, who were really prepared to play only Vinny.

As far as second statement, I am sure Saints saw plenty of Jake Delhomme in practice and even in couple games, yet they, in their all their wisdom thought, Aaron Brooks was the better QB. So much for knowing by watching practices.

I'm pretty sure Chicago was run-blitzing and making Henson beat us w/ his arm, of course he couldn't

Both the guys you mention, are first rounders, with lot of money invested and they are usually pushed to play, much like J.P. Losman even if they suck in or not the best in Practice or Akili Smith etc.. In fact, there were many reports that Palmer wasn't the best player in practice and Kitna was when they decided to start him. Same with every year we keep hearing how Byron Leftwitch is outperformed in Practice by his backup, yet Leftwitch is the guy starting and might also add, indeed is the better QB.

exactly, why do you think Buffalo jettisoned Bledsoe and started Losman? because of what you just said, but I think coaches charting their players in practice is just as effective as watching them play in 2 or 3 games

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Hey, Jerry thought from the info given him Henson was the real deal. There were other NFL owners that felt the same way. Now, after 3 years we're possibly finding out that this wasn't the case, but we're in a pickle because we've committed too much time, money, and effort to abandon the plan, a plan that has changed somewhat over time

the plan was always that it's going to be a process with Henson, that it's going to take time, yet noone seems to get that...STILL hmmm

 

[silverbear]

Exactly...In Fact I can't believe that anyone who Actually watched all his games could come away with the Idea that He Hurt Himself at all... Let alone that he would now only a few weeks after be on the Bubble...There's just no way.

Well, there ARE valid criticisms of his play over there, and we don't know what exactly it was that Parcells was looking for when the Boys sent Drew over to Europe...

I just found it curious that he basically said he didn't see what he wanted to see, just days after being quoted saying he hadn't watched much of the play over there... yeah, I was confused by Parcells' recent remarks, and am inclined to believe they were part of his notorious mind games, an effort to see how Drew reacts to those words...

 

[silverbear]

It was that statement that leads me to believe that his comments at minicamp were psychological motivation aimed at Henson...


Silver Bear I have always liked your rationale and most of your posts, but if we all think about it, why would Parcells feel the need to "psychologically motivate" Henson if he felt he had seen enough?

Because that's Parcells' way of finding out if his QB is mentally tough... he knows that a quarterback is going to face adversity at some point in the season, and he wants a guy with the cojones to stand up to that...

And to turn your question back around on you, how could Parcells say that he didn't see all he was hoping to see, when just days before he said he really hadn't watched much of NFLE?? Perhaps he spent those few days studying film of Drew's play, but with minicamp right around the corner, I suspect he was doing other things...

I am not disagreeing with your point of view,

Aw, go on and disagree if you feel like it... it's not like my posts are the Sermon on the Mount, divinely inspired and never to be questioned...

LOL...

 

[silverbear]

i watched almost every game of NFLE - if not live, tivo'd.

i call bullshyte on this new found "stares down receivers" comment that seems to be coming in out of the blue.

I didn't see any of that either, ice...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And what would asking him to throw against a defense set on stopping the pass have gained given the shaky offensive line in that game?

At best, Romo might've shown the fortitude to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball with the rush bearing down on him.

At worst?

A major injury in an already lost contest that would've left his status for the 2006 season in doubt.

the best-case scenario can easily be discerned in watching a guy practice, the only point in playing somebody is to help you win football games, 2 or 3 games, even 16, isn't going to be an accurate measuring stick IMO, so why is Parcells going to bother then if it isn't going to help him win football games? after all, I've never seen anything in his track record that shows that Parcells is more concerned with the development of an individual over the collective team

 

[silverbear]

That statement was as revealing as anything. Didn't Parcells say at the rookie minicamp, when asked about Henson in NFLE, that he'd watched, "All but a couple" of his games?

I don't remember it that way, CL... I believe that the quotes came rather late in the season, like week 8 or so, and what Parcells said was that he'd SEEN a couple of Drew's games, not "all but a couple"...

If Parcells doesn't even bother to watch the guy play, in the offseason when he has plenty of time...

Then he's trying to recharge his batteries by getting entirely away from football for a few weeks... at his age, with the immense time and energy demanded by training camp and the regular season, I can understand the need to wind down, to basically forget all about football... go watch baseball spring training, go to the track, visit the grandkids...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't remember it that way, CL... I believe that the quotes came rather late in the season, like week 8 or so, and what Parcells said was that he'd SEEN a couple of Drew's games, not "all but a couple"...

Parcells actually said that the day of the draft, or the following, that time Drew had 3 weeks left to go

 

[silverbear]

Excuses, excuses. True starters makes those around them better.

Which is precisely what Drew did... compare the yardage and point production when he was in the game compared to how the team fared when he wasn't... their single worst offensive performance all year long came in game 9, which just happened to be the one game that Henson missed...

Perhaps you should forego expressing your opinion on this subject, when you clearly don't know a thing about how Henson played over in Europe... you're just making yourself look silly with this weak garbage...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you're just making yourself look silly with this weak garbage...

It began LOOOOONG before that

 

[silverbear]

no shrooms here man. never had 'em it just sounded funny.

You didn't miss anything, ice... my best friend in the world loved those things, and kept trying to talk me into trying them... eventually, I did, and I can tell you that I now know that tripping ain't for me...

And those things just taste NASTY...

 

[silverbear]

If they aren't playing well in practice, by what logic do you think they could even remotely look better in a real game?

In my athletic career (back in a younger day), I had any number of teammates who were all but useless in practice, but showed up big time on game day... some guys just step it up when the bullets start flying for real, they develop the sense of urgency that's missing in practice...

Which is not to say that how you practice isn't a useful indicator as to how you'll play the game-- MOST of the time...

 

[silverbear]

I should certainly hope not.

If so, he should see a doctor.

LOL... c'mon, Alexander, when he says Parcells is not "infowlable", he CLEARLY means he's not chicken...

That was one of the more enjoyable mis-spellings I've seen in a long time...

 

[iceberg]

I didn't see any of that either, ice...

i think some people just learned a phrase and can't wait to use it regardless if it applies.

 

[iceberg]

In my athletic career (back in a younger day), I had any number of teammates who were all but useless in practice, but showed up big time on game day... some guys just step it up when the bullets start flying for real, they develop the sense of urgency that's missing in practice...

Which is not to say that how you practice isn't a useful indicator as to how you'll play the game-- MOST of the time...

and this is what i mean. when i was in theater - i could do fine in rehearsals, but when the lights went on and people were there, it's a different game. you can and will react differently. you can see talent in rehearsal but you'll see a "gift" when it's for real in some.

i'm not saying henson or romo have "the gift" - i'm just saying when you have a chance to get them "real" playing time - it can tell you more than 50 1/3 speed practices when you're not allowed to hit anyone on the field.

most will be the same. some will fall and some will step it up. no way of knowing what you got till you play it.

period.

 

[jackrussell]

and this is what i mean. when i was in theater - i could do fine in rehearsals, but when the lights went on and people were there, it's a different game. you can and will react differently. you can see talent in rehearsal but you'll see a "gift" when it's for real in some.

i'm not saying henson or romo have "the gift" - i'm just saying when you have a chance to get them "real" playing time - it can tell you more than 50 1/3 speed practices when you're not allowed to hit anyone on the field.

most will be the same. some will fall and some will step it up. no way of knowing what you got till you play it.

period.

Well good, I'm glad we've gotten to the useless unrelated stories, so I'll share mine....

My dogs race straight line, 220 feet. I have my own track at home, and practice on occasion. So in my practices, I have a dog, that no matter how hard she tries, cannot finish better than 3rd out of 6.

So now I go to the official trial events, and don't enter the dog because I know her limits. Who is to tell me I should enter that dog in the official event so THEY can see how she does, when I already know she is not ready to perform at peak level?

OK, now we've had high school teammate story, theatre story, dog story....next?

 

[jackrussell]

the plan was always that it's going to be a process with Henson, that it's going to take time, yet noone seems to get that...STILL hmmm

OK, I'll save you some time and effort....If the guy that this post was intended for didn't get it's intent, I can assure you that you have know idea what I'm talking about.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I should certainly hope not.

If so, he should see a doctor.



Again, what games are "meaningless"? No self-respecting NFL coach is going to throw away a game if he can help it. It's simple: in 2004, Henson and Romo didn't give us the best chance to win. Last year, the gameplan was already in the can for the Rams game. Romo didn't get reps all that week and you want to just play him anyways? That would do next to nothing for your evaluation because he didn't get the reps. It's not fair to the player.

The ones that are not going to get you any further in a race for a playoff spot. They are meaningless. It is a perfect opportunity to see what you have. At that point, you should be building for the following year.

If your a backup QB, you have to be able to come in cold. That's the deal. Henson came in and played on Thanksgiving weekend with no preperation. Is that any more or less fair? That theory, IMO, does not hold water.

 

[wileedog]

In my athletic career (back in a younger day), I had any number of teammates who were all but useless in practice, but showed up big time on game day... some guys just step it up when the bullets start flying for real, they develop the sense of urgency that's missing in practice...

Which is not to say that how you practice isn't a useful indicator as to how you'll play the game-- MOST of the time...

I don't think a QB who had been out of football 3 years and a UDFA QB from a small school's problems in practice are "urgency."

Most likely they are still figuring out how to read defenses, pick up bltizes and hot receivers, and going through their progressions. If they are not doing those things well in practice, I have a hard time believing that the "urgency" of a 290lb DE bearing down on them is going to make them do something they can't do any better.

I would buy into your point more for a RB or LB. Not for two young QBs who are probably still just getting their heads around the mental aspect of being an NFL QB.