Jean-Jacques Taylor: Henson Project Could Be Sacked

[wileedog]

As far as second statement, I am sure Saints saw plenty of Jake Delhomme in practice and even in couple games, yet they, in their all their wisdom thought, Aaron Brooks was the better QB. So much for knowing by watching practices.

Kinda shot your own argument in the foot there, no?

 

[iceberg]

But think about Henson's real game experience. Take the Baltimore game. We all can see now that his success there was due in large part to the loose coverages the Ravens were in. Once Chicago had time to prepare for him, they confused the daylights out of him.

Say Romo was played in these trash games. Would we know more about him?

Sometimes we are more curious for ourselves than anything else. NFL coaches can and do gather what they need from practices. How else would they know a QB like for example, Carson Palmer was ready to start? He had very little meaningful gameplay his first year. Same for Culpepper.

this is one of those where i can see valid arguments either way but yes - i'd feel like i knew more about my qb and better about decisions involving him if i let him play in a real game when i could.

if others don't need that - great. i do. : )

 

[jackrussell]

so where'd you find this out? assuming from practice is great and all, but it still isn't "on the field" in a real game.

Why do you feel they are assuming? Could it be a possibility they know what they have, even without the benefit of our input? This thing where y'all have the need to see for yourself is perplexing.

Hey, Jerry thought from the info given him Henson was the real deal. There were other NFL owners that felt the same way. Now, after 3 years we're possibly finding out that this wasn't the case, but we're in a pickle because we've committed too much time, money, and effort to abandon the plan, a plan that has changed somewhat over time, but could take several more years than most people have the patience for. Hopefully, with some good QB training, Henson will one day be able to take control of the Cowboys, and we can send the others packing or in the least, close enough for support. Until then, this constant BP bashing is doing nothing for the morale of our team, and in that way, could be helping our opponents when they meet our team that doesn't have our full support.

 

[iceberg]

bill parcells is perfect - i realize that now and want to thank everyone for their guidance.

another glass please. : )

 

[wileedog]

bill parcells is perfect - i realize that now and want to thank everyone for their guidance.

another glass please. : )

No, he stinks at drafting OLineman.

And he totally suckered his own self in 2004.

Other than that....

 

[Alexander]

Maybe you ought to watch the game again, because I doubt Henson fumbled on his first snap because they were on loose coverage.

They were blitzing pretty well. But I think Chicago had game film on Henson and were prepared to play him, rather than Baltimore, who were really prepared to play only Vinny.

I am talking the coverage schemes, which were man and not complex zones. Chicago confused him and they made it look easy. And the film they had of Henson was a series or two, so it didn't take much.

As far as second statement, I am sure Saints saw plenty of Jake Delhomme in practice and even in couple games, yet they, in their all their wisdom thought, Aaron Brooks was the better QB. So much for knowing by watching practices.

How did they know to trade for Aaron Brooks? He never got a down of regular season time in. Rob Johnson looked great in real games with the Jags but couldn't play for Buffalo.

There isn't a right or wrong way to do this. But for some reason, some just stick to this actual game experience business as the end all be all, when there is no completely tried and true method.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I am talking the coverage schemes, which were man and not complex zones. Chicago confused him and they made it look easy. And the film they had of Henson was a series or two, so it didn't take much.



How did they know to trade for Aaron Brooks? He never got a down of regular season time in. Rob Johnson looked great in real games with the Jags but couldn't play for Buffalo.

There isn't a right or wrong way to do this. But for some reason, some just stick to this actual game experience business as the end all be all, when there is no completely tried and true method.

Agree there. But I do think it should be a mixture of both methods. I.e. practice and game time. Sometimes players look great in practice or in few games, but when given chance in games or long period of games depending on which situation we are talking about, they tank.

Thats why I guess QB position is such a hard position to evaluate.

 

[iceberg]

No, he stinks at drafting OLineman.

And he totally suckered his own self in 2004.

Other than that....

sorry - just frustrating when talking opinions to get "but you're not the coach...so there!" as an end all say all, so what's the point at that point.

NO ONE in particular, this has just been an ongoing gripe i've seen so many do recently.

 

[wileedog]

sorry - just frustrating when talking opinions to get "but you're not the coach...so there!" as an end all say all, so what's the point at that point.

I agree, its a horrible arguement. We're all here because we have opinions about what should be done, but lets face facts - if we really knew that much we'd be working in Valley Ranch not typing away at each other on a message board.

That said, we all have to realize that Parcells and the staff obviously have much, much, much, more information to go on than we do when making these decisions. Its easy to second guess when you don't have all the facts.

In fact I'm sure that drives a lot of the frustration about not seeing Romo or Henson play - its a rare chance for us to get the same data as Bill and the coaches.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree, its a horrible arguement. We're all here because we have opinions about what should be done, but lets face facts - if we really knew that much we'd be working in Valley Ranch not typing away at each other on a message board.

That said, we all have to realize that Parcells and the staff obviously have much, much, much, more information to go on than we do when making these decisions. Its easy to second guess when you don't have all the facts.

In fact I'm sure that drives a lot of the frustration about not seeing Romo or Henson play - its a rare chance for us to get the same data as Bill and the coaches.

I agree. No one wants to hear that the coach may actually know more about what is going on than a fan does however it is true and while we can all have opinions our opinions normally are driven by our own personal feelings or agenda.

 

[Alexander]

I agree, its a horrible arguement. We're all here because we have opinions about what should be done, but lets face facts - if we really knew that much we'd be working in Valley Ranch not typing away at each other on a message board.

That said, we all have to realize that Parcells and the staff obviously have much, much, much, more information to go on than we do when making these decisions. Its easy to second guess when you don't have all the facts.

In fact I'm sure that drives a lot of the frustration about not seeing Romo or Henson play - its a rare chance for us to get the same data as Bill and the coaches.

What I don't quite understand is that we do have a proven winning head coach. This isn't a coach who fell off the turnip truck yesterday nor is he some underqualified Jerry Jones puppet. He has a track record, yet some are prepared to state that his method here is just wrong.

He has made some grave mistakes in Dallas. But not playing Henson or Romo just so the fans can have a taste of what they can do isn't as high on the list as we make it out to be.

 

[jackrussell]

bill parcells is perfect - i realize that now and want to thank everyone for their guidance.

another glass please. : )

In an obvious attempt to invoke irony, it blows right by.....

 

[iceberg]

I agree. No one wants to hear that the coach may actually know more about what is going on than a fan does however it is true and while we can all have opinions our opinions normally are driven by our own personal feelings or agenda.

great - but what good does it to to tell someone who doesn't agree with something bp is doing that they're not the coach so their opinion is shyte?

 

[jackrussell]

great - but what good does it to to tell someone who doesn't agree with something bp is doing that they're not the coach so their opinion is shyte?

Who said your opinion is, um, shyte?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What I don't quite understand is that we do have a proven winning head coach. This isn't a coach who fell off the turnip truck yesterday nor is he some underqualified Jerry Jones puppet. He has a track record, yet some are prepared to state that his method here is just wrong.

He has made some grave mistakes in Dallas. But not playing Henson or Romo just so the fans can have a taste of what they can do isn't as high on the list as we make it out to be.

Parcells is not infowlable. Nobody is asking for Henson or Romo to be the starters. There wondering why were wasting time on either if neither is talented enough to get time in a meaningless game. Romo has four years, Henson has three. If neither are any good or if only one is no good, why is he still here? That, more then anything is the question IMO.

 

[iceberg]

Who said your opinion is, um, shyte?

what else is the point of "but you're not the coach so you don't know!!!"?

 

[jackrussell]

what else is the point of "but you're not the coach so you don't know!!!"?

Well since I know you can't edit other's post on this site, is this your way of putting words into someone's mouth?

My last elongated post was an obvious good natured jab at certain philosophies that you and I have differed on in the past, an example of irony if you will. OK, you didn't get it, so, time to throw the hands up and give us the Parcells is perfect shinola, and then tell the world we have crowned your opinion shyte.

Alrighty then. Anything else you'd like to tell us we said that we didn't?

 

[iceberg]

Well since I know you can't edit other's post on this site, is this your way of putting words into someone's mouth?

My last elongated post was an obvious good natured jab at certain philosophies that you and I have differed on in the past, an example of irony if you will. OK, you didn't get it, so, time to throw the hands up and give us the Parcells is perfect shinola, and then tell the world we have crowned your opinion shyte.

Alrighty then. Anything else you'd like to tell us we said that we didn't?

can we also go back to when i first made this comment in this thread and I FLAT OUT SAID my comment was NOT directed to anyone but overall statement of frustration at MANY arguments i've had where in the end i was told i wasn't the coach so what do i know.

quit trying to make me defend a twist of what i said. that's another irritation. : )

 

[Alexander]

Parcells is not infowlable.

I should certainly hope not.

If so, he should see a doctor.

Nobody is asking for Henson or Romo to be the starters. There wondering why were wasting time on either if neither is talented enough to get time in a meaningless game. Romo has four years, Henson has three. If neither are any good or if only one is no good, why is he still here? That, more then anything is the question IMO.

Again, what games are "meaningless"? No self-respecting NFL coach is going to throw away a game if he can help it. It's simple: in 2004, Henson and Romo didn't give us the best chance to win. Last year, the gameplan was already in the can for the Rams game. Romo didn't get reps all that week and you want to just play him anyways? That would do next to nothing for your evaluation because he didn't get the reps. It's not fair to the player.

 

[Bluefin]

Romo didn't get reps all that week and you want to just play him anyways?

And what would asking him to throw against a defense set on stopping the pass have gained given the shaky offensive line in that game?

At best, Romo might've shown the fortitude to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball with the rush bearing down on him.

At worst?

A major injury in an already lost contest that would've left his status for the 2006 season in doubt.