Jean-Jacques Taylor: Henson Project Could Be Sacked

[Jarv]

Has the team truly said this? Not really. And Romo's contract doesn't speak to this either. So I am curious about the source of the hype. To me, it's people reading what they want to in it.

Romo's contract ends this year, there has been articles printed about renewing, Witten and James...But I haven't heard about an extension for Romo ?

Maybe I missed something, I don't read every single article ?

 

[Alexander]

So what are you saying? Are you saying that the criteria only applies to the starter but not the backup? If that's the case, then let me just say that we are one play away from the backup being the starter so I can't see it myself.

This last post you made is completely wrong. EVERY player needs to justify there position on the team. EVERY player needs to be ready to play when called upon. EVERY player. Not just the 14 year vets who so admirably stand in and take the beating of there lives, thus gaining the respect of there team mates as if to say "SEE! It took 16 games to do it but now, I've finally earned your respect." at the hands of a beat down from the RAMS, no less.

That saying and criteria was more than likely taken out of context, at least in regards to the QB position. If you can find me the context of the quote and how it was said and how it was applied to the backup job, I would understand you more. If not, then you are basically taking his words and using them to criticize. That's exactly what I would expect from someone who doesn't agree with his philosophies.

Of course Romo needs to be ready to play. Getting him trash time play isn't going to serve much to evaluate him in a "pressure situation". You honestly think he is going to be operating off adrenalin in that game when everyone seemed to be mailing it in and the entire team was deflated by being eliminated from playoff contention? Or would it be better to get him time in a week where he could prepare and use it for his true dress audition. A player being ready to play has just as much to do with conditioning and filmwork as it does with on the field in a no-win scenario.

 

[Alexander]

Romo's contract ends this year, there has been articles printed about renewing, Witten and James...But I haven't heard about an extension for Romo ?

Maybe I missed something, I don't read every single article ?

If Romo gets a contract extension soon, then we can assume he is the "future".

If not, this is his year to show he has something. And honestly, two years on the bench for an UDFA is not that ususual. Most end up going to Europe. He chose not to.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why is that? You fault the head coach for not thinking like a fan.



And the team may. You don't. I don't, nobody does. I just won't lose sleep over it. I realize that regardless, our hopes rely on Bledsoe. Romo getting time would only serve to give us either false hope or excessive gloom.

No, that is the angle that you are using to defend the position. You base this premius on the idea that no coach would ever employee the idea of playing QBs to get them experience in meaningless games. I don't agree as a fan. I also don't agree that because this is What Parcells had done, that it means no coach in the NFL would ever consider doing it either.

Again, if we can believe what BP has said himself, you never know until the fur starts flying. I could be wrong but I never once remember him qualifying that statement with Starters only.

 

[Alexander]

i trust him to *try* and do the right thing. however, i feel those who rubber-stamp each move as trying to do the right things are fans also, just like me - a whiner. : )

giving blind faith to our coaching staff doesn't make someone a better fan any more than ripping each and every move that staff makes. it just puts a different end-approach to it.

I trust that he has been trying. I don't necessary agree, but it's hard to argue when the head coach and myself are operating off two different planes of knowledge. That's the difference.

I don't assume he has had an irrational notion to play Vinny more to get him his salary bonus. I don't think he has held Henson back because he is "Jones' boy". I think he has the best interest of the player and the organization at heart.

 

[Jarv]

If Romo gets a contract extension soon, then we can assume he is the "future".

If not, this is his year to show he has something. And honestly, two years on the bench for an UDFA is not that ususual. Most end up going to Europe. He chose not to.

Not sure we could just assume that, but I will say that if he doesn't get an extension we'll know for sure he's not the future...here at least.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That saying and criteria was more than likely taken out of context, at least in regards to the QB position. If you can find me the context of the quote and how it was said and how it was applied to the backup job, I would understand you more. If not, then you are basically taking his words and using them to criticize. That's exactly what I would expect from someone who doesn't agree with his philosophies.

Of course Romo needs to be ready to play. Getting him trash time play isn't going to serve much to evaluate him in a "pressure situation". You honestly think he is going to be operating off adrenalin in that game when everyone seemed to be mailing it in and the entire team was deflated by being eliminated from playoff contention? Or would it be better to get him time in a week where he could prepare and use it for his true dress audition. A player being ready to play has just as much to do with conditioning and filmwork as it does with on the field in a no-win scenario.

Are you saying Alex that you have not heard Parcells say these self same things on QBs?

I find it difficult to believe that you would not know what context he used them in or that you have not heard him say the self same things.

So be it.

As for the second part of your post, I believe that both situations would be valuable learning and evaluation opportunities. Things don't always go according to plan when playing QB in the NFL. You have to experience and evaluate both situations as a player and as a coach. Simple as that.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Not sure we could just assume that, but I will say that if he doesn't get an extension we'll know for sure he's not the future...here at least.

If he doesn't win the backup job this year, then thats pretty much forgone conclusion. So if he wins the backup job this year and clearly seems like the best of the two qbs ( Romo and Henson that is), then even if he doesn't get a contract extension this season, doesn't mean he wasn't offered or they are waiting till after season to do so, IMO. I guess thats why BP wants to play him more in pre-season to find out, once and for all, if he is worth contract talks or considering for future of franchise.

 

[Alexander]

No, that is the angle that you are using to defend the position.

I'm afraid not.

You base this premius on the idea that no coach would ever employee the idea of playing QBs to get them experience in meaningless games. I don't agree as a fan. I also don't agree that because this is What Parcells had done, that it means no coach in the NFL would ever consider doing it either.

I have never said that. Again, you take what fits and twist it to fit. I have shown you, time and time again, how what Holmgren did and what Belichick did (and even gave you a Dungy example) and how those were different.

Can you find me one of these "many" examples you have of a losing team putting in their UDFA QB at the end of the year when there was little to no intention of making them the starter anytime soon? You brought up Frye before and look here, he's the uncontested starter. You are operating like we view either of our backups as the future. We might not. But nobody wants to think that our future isn't on the roster.

Think back to Tom Landry's days. When did we see Danny White, ever? Did anyone question Landry's method? White had thrown 100 passes in his first four years. He got one start to my memory against the New York Jets in the final game of the 1978 season. Other than that, he got duty in games that we already had won and especially because Staubach was prone to concussions. And Staubach was the uncontested leader of that team. When I look at these players, I think Glenn Carano, if they are lucky.

If this year ends and Romo still has the goose egg on the board, I will be all for your philosophy. Otherwise, I have a feeling we aren't missing much.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I trust that he has been trying. I don't necessary agree, but it's hard to argue when the head coach and myself are operating off two different planes of knowledge. That's the difference.

I don't assume he has had an irrational notion to play Vinny more to get him his salary bonus. I don't think he has held Henson back because he is "Jones' boy". I think he has the best interest of the player and the organization at heart.

I find this interesting. What would make you think that because I or anybody questions a given direction that it would mean we are "irrational" in our notion?

Here's an idea worthy of contenplation. What if we believed that Parcells had the best interests of the players and the organization in mind but we also thought that from time to time, he was also wrong in his view? Would that mean we are haters? Would it mean that we are anti Parcells? What exactly would that mean? Perhaps it just means that we don't agree with Parcells on all things football.

There have been times when I have been wrong and there is generally no shortage of posters the point it out to me.

There have also been times when Bill Parcells has been wrong and the odd poster has been correct. Never a popular thing amoung Bill's supporters but it has happened.

I don't agree with not getting one of the QBs at least some game experience going into a season where I honestly believe we might have an outside chance to compete for it.

In my mind, you have a single point of failure at the QB spot. Because we have not done all we can, IMO, to ready our backup guys, we will either have to go sign a vet and cut one of the young guys or go with what we have, which again speaks to our inexperience at the position. Either way, it's going to eventually be an issue and those things have a funny way of showing up at the worst possible times.

 

[kartr]

I'm talking about the several games we were blown out and the games at the end of the year when our shot at the playoffs wasn't even mathematically possible. What was the benefit of playing VT? At least by throwing in one of the youngsters in those situations they'd have gotten some exp and we might have been able to better assess their potential and ability.

I understand your point, but Henson is not a typical young qb. He's been away from the game so long, that it's going to take him longer than most to regain a feel for the game, if that's still even possible. Romo, whom I like on a personal, is such a marginal talent that there just isn't much of a chance for him to develop into a legitamate NFL starter. No one is going to try and steal him away from us and he's not going to complain about not starting;he's a decent kid and a decent athlete and he'll do whatever you ask him to and never complain. Maybe they're just hoping they get lucky with the kid.

 

[kartr]

As has been said ad nauseum, there was almost nothing to be gained by putting in either of two QBs who clearly were not ready to be on the field, especially with a bad team around them playing out the string.

THere's nothing to "assess" in that situation. There's nothing that would come out of those games that would tell us anything about their long-term potential or ability, especially if they don't have a clue what is going on out there (as basically Henson didn't against Chicago)

We would be exactly where we are today even if they had gotten some meaningless snaps in those games. It was too small a sample size under terrible conditions to make any meaningful judgement on. ANd you risk injury, loss of confidence, and most of all the media and fan backlash should they (understandably) struggle.

This is a complete non-issue, yet amazingly it still gets brought up a year and a half later as some monumental mistake that is the sole reason we are unsure of our backup situation.

I completely agree, these guys need more time than most young qbs and it will be a marathon,not a sprint to get them on the field as starters and Parcells already knows this.

 

[kartr]

Good assessment right there, though it won't fit the BP hater agenda. You know I lost my job 3 1/2 years ago after 23 years, and haven't whined nearly as much about that as some have about Henson getting a few snaps 2 years later.

And you probably are a lot better at your job than Henson is at his.

:laugh1:

 

[kartr]

Yeah, like I would care what your opinion is, from a guy who thinks Crankcase is still going to be all-pro in NFL.

I really don't care what you think of my opinion cause Carter has already had a better NFL career than Henson ever will.
:laugh1:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm afraid not.



I have never said that. Again, you take what fits and twist it to fit. I have shown you, time and time again, how what Holmgren did and what Belichick did (and even gave you a Dungy example) and how those were different.

Can you find me one of these "many" examples you have of a losing team putting in their UDFA QB at the end of the year when there was little to no intention of making them the starter anytime soon? You brought up Frye before and look here, he's the uncontested starter. You are operating like we view either of our backups as the future. We might not. But nobody wants to think that our future isn't on the roster.

Think back to Tom Landry's days. When did we see Danny White, ever? Did anyone question Landry's method? White had thrown 100 passes in his first four years. He got one start to my memory against the New York Jets in the final game of the 1978 season. Other than that, he got duty in games that we already had won and especially because Staubach was prone to concussions. And Staubach was the uncontested leader of that team. When I look at these players, I think Glenn Carano, if they are lucky.

If this year ends and Romo still has the goose egg on the board, I will be all for your philosophy. Otherwise, I have a feeling we aren't missing much.

Oh, but it is exactly that way for me? Is that right?

I would ask for those examples again. Keep in mind, I've watched Holmgren a long time. Please, provide those. It is not I who is twisting anything.

Why is it that we have to stipulate the fact that it's an UDFA QB who gets this done? Why can't it be the second string guy? After all, I've gone more then just a little out of my way to make sure that you understand that we are talking about our backup QB here. The guy who we will depend on to win games for us if he should go into the season as our backup and anything happens to Bledsoe. If we just view it from that perspective, which is a valid one, then I can provide you with plenty of example. In fact, I have given you several already. I think it is interesting that you accuse me of viewing these guy in a certain way when not a few posts ago, I proposed the same idea but you dismissed it. No matter, lets get back on point here. If this guy is our backup, it's time he gets a chance to prove it. If he doesn't get that chance, it's a huge mistake on BPs part regardless of how it turns out. Frye may or may not be the starter in Cleveland but you can't know that he is unless you give him the chance to play. That's the whole point. I can assure you of one thing. Had Frye not gotten the opportunity to play last year, he would not be uncontested right now. He would be a questions mark and rightly so.

How far back would you like me to go with Coach Landry? Coach Landry, in fact, did get White on the field when Staubach was on the team. Not only at QB but as a punter. It wasn't brand new to him. What's more, White was an experienced pro starting QB before he ever came to the Cowboys. This is not a good example for you to prove your point with. Doesn't hold water. What's more, Coach Landry did this with several second string QBs. He did it with Don Meredith, he did it with Don Heninrich when LeBaron was there. He did it with Craig Morton when Don Meredith was there and later With Roger. Hogeboom and Pelluer as well. I just don't agree with that comparison.

I think it's unfortunate that we are in a situation where we might have 4 years invested in a player and we don't know if he's a Danny White or a Glenn Carano. I do agree with you thou. If by the end of the year he has still not logged any time, then I think there's a real problem. Having said that, how would we ever really know?

 

[iceberg]

I find this interesting. What would make you think that because I or anybody questions a given direction that it would mean we are "irrational" in our notion?

near as i can tell, abq - this is along the sames lines of "you're not the coach so you just don't have all the info".

removes quite a bit of the purpose of a forum - to exchange ideas - if all you're going to do is say "you're not the coach so i trust him".

great. i trust the coach, like all of us, can and will make the wrong decisions even with advanced info. hence, i talk about what i don't like about our team and get frustrated when all i get in return is "in bill i trust". no fun in that for me - not along the same lines as the convo you and alexander are having. good, well thought out, not flaming anger - good points on both sides.

this is why i like to talk to fans - to find out how they feel - what they like and don't like - what they would change if they could and leave alone and why.

it's a given 99.9% of us don't do this for a living but it's a given the vast majority are cowboy fans or we'd not be here.

ramble off - but this part of the thread has been cool and fun to follow. good points all around but i don't think any minds/opinions changed. : )

alexander - as for seeing things like a fan - we all do. you included unless you have a job i don't know about. : ) but it's still fun!

 

[iceberg]

I trust that he has been trying. I don't necessary agree, but it's hard to argue when the head coach and myself are operating off two different planes of knowledge. That's the difference.

but no one (at least not me) is asking you to "outhink" bp - but offer up how you feel about something. if you'd rather not get into it cause bp has it handled well enough for you - that's fine. i think most respect and understand that. but since you and i are on the "fan plane" then i'd like to know what "alexander" thinks about our situation, not that "bp has it covered". takes the fun out of it. : )

 

[Jarv]

near as i can tell, abq - this is along the sames lines of "you're not the coach so you just don't have all the info".

removes quite a bit of the purpose of a forum - to exchange ideas - if all you're going to do is say "you're not the coach so i trust him".

great. i trust the coach, like all of us, can and will make the wrong decisions even with advanced info. hence, i talk about what i don't like about our team and get frustrated when all i get in return is "in bill i trust". no fun in that for me - not along the same lines as the convo you and alexander are having. good, well thought out, not flaming anger - good points on both sides.

this is why i like to talk to fans - to find out how they feel - what they like and don't like - what they would change if they could and leave alone and why.

it's a given 99.9% of us don't do this for a living but it's a given the vast majority are cowboy fans or we'd not be here.

ramble off - but this part of the thread has been cool and fun to follow. good points all around but i don't think any minds/opinions changed. : )

alexander - as for seeing things like a fan - we all do. you included unless you have a job i don't know about. : ) but it's still fun!

Great point Ice, why even have a forum...BP says this is it and how dare you question him. Well, we might as well just all copy and paste his PC's and just nod our head in agreement.

Of couse, then there is the interpitation of what the great mind master motivator actually means...

 

[iceberg]

Great point Ice, why even have a forum...BP says this is it and how dare you question him. Well, we might as well just all copy and paste his PC's and just nod our head in agreement.

Of couse, then there is the interpitation of what the great mind master motivator actually means...

i could be a "billo head..." : )

 

[Bob Sacamano]

back ABQ, give me an example, and remember, playing young guys OUTSIDE of the parameter of the postseason being locked up and a team already having an established starter

and an example of a team, other than Green Bay, who've had success taking QBs to turn around and trade them for greater value, and Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers doesn't count since Rivers was drafted after Brees struggled his 2nd year