Jeff Ireland...

[Juke99]

Many people, myself included, have discussed our anxiety about a guy like Ireland leaving the organization...

Specifically with regard to drafts, lets take a look and then weigh in with how good a job the Cowboys did in the draft while he was here...

I left out last year's draft because it's a bit too early to tell...So starting with 2006...


1 Bobby Carpenter Ohio State
2 Anthony Fasano Notre Dame
3 Jason Hatcher Grambling State
4 Skyler Green Louisiana State
5 Pat Watkins Florida State
6 Montavious Stanley Louisville
7 Pat McQuistan Weber State
7 E.J. Whitley Texas Tech


1 Demarcus Ware Troy State
1 Marcus Spears Louisiana State
2 Kevin Burnett Tennessee
4 Marion Barber Minnesota
4 Chris Canty Virginia
6 Justin Beriault Ball State
6 Rob Petitti Pittsburgh
7 Jay Ratliff Auburn


2 Julius Jones Notre Dame
2 Jacob Rogers USC
3 Stephen Peterman Louisiana State
4 Bruce Thornton Georgia
5 Sean Ryan Boston College
7 Nathan Jones Rutgers
7 Patrick Crayton NW Oklahoma State
7 Jacques Reeves Purdue

Your opinion???

 

[morieeel]

Many people, myself included, have discussed our anxiety about a guy like Ireland leaving the organization...

Specifically with regard to drafts, lets take a look and then weigh in with how good a job the Cowboys did in the draft while he was here...

I left out last year's draft because it's a bit too early to tell...So starting with 2006...


1 Bobby Carpenter Ohio State
2 Anthony Fasano Notre Dame
3 Jason Hatcher Grambling State
4 Skyler Green Louisiana State
5 Pat Watkins Florida State
6 Montavious Stanley Louisville
7 Pat McQuistan Weber State
7 E.J. Whitley Texas Tech


1 Demarcus Ware Troy State
1 Marcus Spears Louisiana State
2 Kevin Burnett Tennessee
4 Marion Barber Minnesota
4 Chris Canty Virginia
6 Justin Beriault Ball State
6 Rob Petitti Pittsburgh
7 Jay Ratliff Auburn


2 Julius Jones Notre Dame
2 Jacob Rogers USC
3 Stephen Peterman Louisiana State
4 Bruce Thornton Georgia
5 Sean Ryan Boston College
7 Nathan Jones Rutgers
7 Patrick Crayton NW Oklahoma State
7 Jacques Reeves Purdue

Your opinion???

2006 :bang2:
2005
2004 :bang2:

Was he here in 2003 (Parcell's first year)? I thought the Newman draft was pretty good.

 

[TonyS]

I guess a blind squirrel finds a nut every once-in-a-while.

I don't think he's irreplaceable, but I'd like to see the drafts prior to when Ireland was in a major scouting role to see a comparison.

 

[Hoofbite]

Wow. Aside from 2005 and a couple spotty picks in 06', nothing to really write home about.

In fact, theres a good chance that other then Crayton not a single guy from 2004 will be on the roster next year.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Looking back 2004 is just brutal

 

[Cowboys2008]

So in other words; he's good with 2 #1 draft picks to kick a draft off, and the rest of the time he can take a walk. Pay close attention Bill. You need to start off with a bang. Hey, we have 2 #1's, didya know? Or are you plannin on it already?

 

[dmq]

I think they were pretty darn good drafts. Especially when you compare them to years past. However, we had some screw ups. Like not taking Stephen Jackson. I believe that was on Parcells. Peterman and Rogers were probably on Parcells too. They had injury problems though. You can't always account for that. Skyler was a reach. I don't blame the organization on Carp. Lots of teams liked him. Ware was our best pick in those drafts and I believe that was a Jerry pick. All in all, our draft board was pretty solid. Did we miss on some picks? Yes, but so does every team. Justin Beriault is a pick I still can't get over. I loved that guy. He would probably be starting over Roy. One other thing is that we also targetted FAs better.
I still think we can have good drafts, but we need to stick to our board.

 

[jterrell]

Many people, myself included, have discussed our anxiety about a guy like Ireland leaving the organization...

Specifically with regard to drafts, lets take a look and then weigh in with how good a job the Cowboys did in the draft while he was here...

I left out last year's draft because it's a bit too early to tell...So starting with 2006...


1 Bobby Carpenter Ohio State
2 Anthony Fasano Notre Dame
3 Jason Hatcher Grambling State
4 Skyler Green Louisiana State
5 Pat Watkins Florida State
6 Montavious Stanley Louisville
7 Pat McQuistan Weber State
7 E.J. Whitley Texas Tech


1 Demarcus Ware Troy State
1 Marcus Spears Louisiana State
2 Kevin Burnett Tennessee
4 Marion Barber Minnesota
4 Chris Canty Virginia
6 Justin Beriault Ball State
6 Rob Petitti Pittsburgh
7 Jay Ratliff Auburn


2 Julius Jones Notre Dame
2 Jacob Rogers USC
3 Stephen Peterman Louisiana State
4 Bruce Thornton Georgia
5 Sean Ryan Boston College
7 Nathan Jones Rutgers
7 Patrick Crayton NW Oklahoma State
7 Jacques Reeves Purdue

Your opinion???

Those are all great drafts by NFL standards.

We have 2 current Pro Bowlers and a serious NFL defensive MVP candidate, we have a nickel corner who started much of the year and a 3rd WR who also started all this year. 8 of those draft picks started for us on a 13 win team. 6 more of them played as backups. And a few we released are still in the NFL with others teams.

In short there were very few non-NFL caliber guys on that list.

I'd love to write Ireland off as a fraud but the dude was aces. I just hope those here learned from him.

 

[superpunk]

2006 - New England Patriots

Rd Player Position
1 Laurence Maroney
2 Chad Jackson
3 David Thomas
4 Garrett Mills
4 Stephen Gostkowski
5 Ryan O'Callaghan
6 Jeremy Mincey
6 Dan Stevenson
6 Le Kevin Smith
7 Willie Andrews

2005 - New England Patriots

Rd Player Position
1 Logan Mankins
3 Ellis Hobbs
3 Nick Kaczur
4 James Sanders
5 Ryan Claridge
7 Matt Cassel
7 Andy Stokes

2004 - New England Patriots

Rd Player Position
1 Vince Wilfork
1 Benjamin Watson
2 Marquise Hill
3 Guss Scott
4 Dexter Reid
4 Cedric Cobbs
5 P.K. Sam

3 years of draft picks. Really the only good year (by this thread's standards) was 2005. Many of those players don't even play for New England anymore.

Scott Pioli ain't ****, I guess.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Looking back 2004 is just brutal

Seeing as how I'm a glass half-full kinda person, the only truly huge bust for 2004 is Rogers, IMO. While they may not all contribute at an all-star level for their respective teams, they are contributors in the NFL. The bigger busts to me are those where the guys aren't even in the NFL.

Ryan, Peterman, Both Jones, Crayton, and Reeves all contributed to a NFL squad last year. Of course they weren't world beaters, but they were contributors. Of course, you'd like for them to be big-timers in the NFL, but it doesn't always work out that way. At least it's not like Skyler Green where I think he's on his 3rd or 4th squad since he was cut.

 

[jman]

6 Justin Beriault Ball State

If only...He look great in the preseason...don't they all. But I just can't help thinking of what could have been if this dude stayed healthy.

 

[jman]

6 Le Kevin Smith

Kevin Smith's french cousin?

 

[YosemiteSam]

I left out last year's draft because it's a bit too early to tell...So starting with 2006...

Nick Folk is looking pretty good and even Spencer in limited play looked pretty good. Of course, Folk started to tail off a bit towards the end of the year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't think you can put all the success or failure of your draft on the GM when Big Bill is in the room.

 

[dmq]

I don't think you can put all the success or failure of your draft on the GM when Big Bill is in the room.

And especially when Jerry is in the room.

 

[superpunk]

Those are all great drafts by NFL standards.

We have 2 current Pro Bowlers and a serious NFL defensive MVP candidate, we have a nickel corner who started much of the year and a 3rd WR who also started all this year. 8 of those draft picks started for us on a 13 win team. 6 more of them played as backups. And a few we released are still in the NFL with others teams.

In short there were very few non-NFL caliber guys on that list.

I'd love to write Ireland off as a fraud but the dude was aces. I just hope those here learned from him.

Good post.

I really don't think people understand what the typical hit-to-miss ratio is for teams in NFL drafts.

If you can bat anywhere near .500, you're doing a hell of a job.

 

[Mash]

Its funny how we find the good in certain drafts when Jerry supposely isnt behind it.

But when a guy like Carter is picked (even if was a round or more too early ) he gets bashed even tho Carter did contribute to the team.

The draft is a crapshoot.....

Just Look at this ...

2 Julius Jones Notre Dame
2 Jacob Rogers USC
3 Stephen Peterman Louisiana State
4 Bruce Thornton Georgia
5 Sean Ryan Boston College
7 Nathan Jones Rutgers
7 Patrick Crayton NW Oklahoma State
7 Jacques Reeves Purdue

What did we get out of this? Jones was a disappointed...sure he showed flashes earlier on....but he is what he is.....a faster Hambone......other than Crayton.....there is nothing special.....

If Parcells and Ireland werent here.....and Jerry did a draft like this.....we would never hear the end of it

 

[sago1]

Our 2006 draft certainly hasn't contributed to the level we should have expected. So far only Fasano, Hatcher, Watkins & McQuistan have contributed and that is at backup. That could change depending on how much Hatcher & McQuistan can step up this year. Our #1 pick we are trying to trade cause he can't even get on the field except for ST.

Our 2005 draft is awesome. We got 4 good starters in Ware, MBIII, Canty & Ratliff with a good possibility that Burnett beats out Ayodele this year. We are trying to trade Spears, Beriault out of football due to injury & Pettiti also out of football. A really good draft by anybody's standard.

2004 draft wasn't helpful. Julius Jones never became the starter we wanted so only the 3 7th rounders still with the team at this point but only Crayton a sure thing this year.

BTW: I do think the 2007 draft gave us some good players. Spencer is really coming on and Wade said on several occasions he needed get him more playing time; better then Ellis (and Ware) against the run in playoff game. Folk & Anderson are keepers. Key to success of this draft will probably be Free & Stanbach. If Free shows enough, he could be our starting LT very soon. Stanbach impressive in practice but who knows what he can do in a real game but we shall see a lot of him in preseason.
1. OLB Spencer was better against the run then Ellis in the playoff game so he'll see a lot more playing time with Ellis mostly a pass rush specialist in 08. If I'm Ellis, I feel safe in 08, not so sure in 09 although Ellis gives us insurance if either Ware or Spencer get hurt.
2. Free looked good in preseason and we don't know how he looked in practices.
3. Marten looked pretty bad in preseason but we'll see.
4. Still waiting on Stanbach.
5. We We all love Folk
6. Deon Anderson probably starts at FB over Hoyte this year
7. Courtney Brown converted to FS but still unk; good ST
8. Alan Ball brought on to the roster off of ST.

 

[InmanRoshi]

3 years of draft picks. Really the only good year (by this thread's standards) was 2005. Many of those players don't even play for New England anymore.

Scott Pioli ain't ****, I guess.

Yeah, I mean even in 2005, a lot those players like Hobbs and Kazcur start and play key roles, but they're nothing special. Therefore, they have to be busts.

 

[tyke1doe]

That 2005 draft really rebuilt this team. Very solid.