Jeff Ireland...

[THUMPER]

6 Le Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith's french cousin?

That one got a chuckle out of me. :laugh2:

 

[CrazyCowboy]

2 Julius Jones Notre Dame
2 Jacob Rogers USC
3 Stephen Peterman Louisiana State
4 Bruce Thornton Georgia
5 Sean Ryan Boston College
7 Nathan Jones Rutgers
7 Patrick Crayton NW Oklahoma State
7 Jacques Reeves Purdue

Who wants the credit for this mess? Please step up to the plate.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

Who wants the credit for this mess? Please step up to the plate.

Its a train wreck aint it.

Scary how you think a draft is gonna be good when it happens.....4 or 5 years later.....you feel stupid.

I think we all knew though that the Ware,Spears, Burnett, MB3, Canty, Ratliff draft was special.

wow thats weird to type its like a pro bowl roster.

 

[marchetta]

3 years of draft picks. Really the only good year (by this thread's standards) was 2005. Many of those players don't even play for New England anymore.

Scott Pioli ain't ****, I guess.

Yeah, and only 1 player remains on their team from the 2007 draft. Sooner, or later, not replenishing their team with rooks is going to come back to haunt them. Unfortunately, it won't be until after they've won a few more SBs.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I think it is extremely difficult to place a value on Jeff Ireland.

You do not know how much input he had during talent evalution meetings and during the draft.

I think one has to reserve judgement until 2-3 Drafts down the road and see what type of talent is on the roster without his presence in the organization.

 

[Angus]

Wow. Aside from 2005 and a couple spotty picks in 06', nothing to really write home about.

In fact, theres a good chance that other then Crayton not a single guy from 2004 will be on the roster next year.

I doubt Ireland had much influence in 2004, except possibly in rounds six and seven. I think in 2005 he had a lot to do with second day picks and may have helped convince Jones that Ware should be taken before Spears against Parcells' wishes. In 2006, Bill Parcells chose Carpenter and Fasano, I believe.

IMO, Ireland should be judged more on the 2007 draft when Jerry Jones was the only other person with a big say.

 

[arync]

06 and 04 sucked

 

[Juke99]

I think it is extremely difficult to place a value on Jeff Ireland.

You do not know how much input he had during talent evalution meetings and during the draft.

I think one has to reserve judgement until 2-3 Drafts down the road and see what type of talent is on the roster without his presence in the organization.

ah c'mon Mick...don't be logical...you're gonna ruin the thread.

 

[Mavs Man]

Those are a HUGE HUGE HUGE improvement over drafts from circa 1996-2001. I'm not so sure the anxiety has to do so much with Jeff Ireland leaving as it is the possibility of those bad draft years returning.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

3 years of draft picks. Really the only good year (by this thread's standards) was 2005. Many of those players don't even play for New England anymore.

Scott Pioli ain't ****, I guess.

The first three picks in 2004 were really good. The first two are key contributors, and Hill was a pretty good backup until he unfortunately died.

(In fact, those two guys were picked at 21 and 32. We should hope to do so good with our 22 and 28 this year.)

I don't think the point is that Ireland is a bum, but that these results aren't exactly irreplaceable. Kind of like with losing Sparano or Todd Bowles: Good coaches, yes. Impossible to replace? Hardly.

 

[Hostile]

Jerry has repeatedly said Ireland mostly oversaw the acquisition of Pro personnel. The Draft has been the domain of Tom Ciskowski, et al.

I'll tell you one thing that I definitely think about the whole Maimi exodus. I think Bill Parcells is doing it to compete directly against Jerry. Perhaps they argued over personnel more than we all know. Jerry had the final say. Well, now it appears Parcells has the final say in Miami.

The competition may be friendly, but I have a feeling it's also going to be fierce at times.

 

[Mash]

But you also have to consider where the picks are located ....

If Dallas continues to play well.....our draft picks will be at the end of the rounds....

Hard to find studs like Newman.....and Ware there....

If Jerry misses on 1st round picks like Bill did with Carp....Spears...and 2nd round picks like Jones...Rodgers.....does Jerry still get any love?

 

[InmanRoshi]

It's simple algebra really.

X = years of horrible drafts. 1 Pro Bowl player in 2003.

X + Y = 13 Pro Bowlers four years later.

I'm going to give a lot of the credit to Y.

 

[superpunk]

The first three picks in 2004 were really good. The first two are key contributors, and Hill was a pretty good backup until he unfortunately died.

Only one of them still plays for their team. For whatever reason.

I wonder how ape-**** we'd have gone if we had picked Fasano in the first....then three years later let him walk to the Seahawks.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Only one of them still plays for their team. For whatever reason.

I wonder how ape-**** we'd have gone if we had picked Fasano in the first....then three years later let him walk to the Seahawks.

We must be talking about different things... I was talking about the Pats draft of Wilfork and Watson.

 

[superpunk]

We must be talking about different things... I was talking about the Pats draft of Wilfork and Watson.

You're right. I was talking about drafting Graham, then Watson, in first rounds. Then, I confused myself with who was who without looking back up at the draft.

The point was that people evaluate a job that a guy like Ireland did here (as part of a team), and minimize it because "Hell...these drafts weren't that good"....without knowing that the ratio we hit on in those drafts was in fact VERY good, and our UDFAs and that 2005 draft are the two MAIN reasons that this team doesn't suck anymore.

 

[Mash]

The Pro Bowl is a joke....

How many Pro Bowlers were draft picks?

How many of those were high draft picks?

Jerry mades some bonehead moves.....trading 2 1st was the worst....but he also had to deal with cap problems and couldnt upgrade the team with FA....like Hamlin....Davis....Owens...etc......plus how many high draft picks did we miss on during that time? Ellis? No...Roy Williams? No....

We did have some nice picks recently with Ratliff and Canty and getting Crayton late....so credit is due to someone....Bill....Ireland...etc

Plus were were very lucky to find a QB as a undrafted FA......very lucky.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Jerry has repeatedly said Ireland mostly oversaw the acquisition of Pro personnel. The Draft has been the domain of Tom Ciskowski, et al.

You are absolutely right, Jerry Jones certainly made that statement and there really is no reason to discount it. I don't think Jerry Jones would intentionally deceive the masses on a subject such as this but he does have some strong reasons to equivocate.

I think one has to "consider the source" when pondering that statement, even though it probably can be taken at face value.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

ah c'mon Mick...don't be logical...you're gonna ruin the thread.

Just doing my part :laugh2:

 

[WoodysGirl]

Jerry has repeatedly said Ireland mostly oversaw the acquisition of Pro personnel. The Draft has been the domain of Tom Ciskowski, et al.

I'll tell you one thing that I definitely think about the whole Maimi exodus. I think Bill Parcells is doing it to compete directly against Jerry. Perhaps they argued over personnel more than we all know. Jerry had the final say. Well, now it appears Parcells has the final say in Miami.

The competition may be friendly, but I have a feeling it's also going to be fierce at times.

To piggyback on this...from CL's recap of Rick Herrin on GAC yesterday...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111391

He confirms that Tom Ciskowski really did most of the college work the last couple of years, and that Ireland did more the pro personnel stuff and gathered the information on college guys from Tom. Says Jeff always used to say, "Well Tom says this and Tom says that..." about the college prospects.

So according to him, it wasn't just spin when Jerry was saying that after Ireland left.

I feel alot more comfortable about things based on reports from Herrin and even from Galloway's article in the Daily Zone.