Jerry and Irvin on Parsons contract

[CWR]

He doesn’t say what he offered

For all we know, Jerry offered 130m guaranteed for seven years or something similarly stupid. It would technically be the most guaranteed but it would be a terrible deal for Micah.

And for him to say Micah has three years left is totally messed up.

He’s flat out saying that he’s entitled to the franchise years.

He doesn’t have three years. He has one year. He has “control”, or likely in his mind “ownership” for two years after that

God I hate Jerry.

No other owners go out of their way to crap on their players.

He’s so sleazy

Not a Jerry defender, but either way you phrase it he has 3 years of control.

He's been very vocal in the court of public opinion and Micha has never been the quiet type. I can't imagine its something crazy like the scenario you mentioned because I think we'd hear the other side in that case.

But as per usual, I know nothing.

 

[gimmesix]

I haven’t watched the whole hour interview yet. But if it’s true that Jerry said he offered Micah a contract with the highest NFL guranteed money for a non QB than that directly contradicts what Micah tweeted about why he wants to be traded. If Micah was offered a contract with a record setting guaranteed money for a non QB, Micah should have immediately walked out if that in-person meeting, called his agent and demanded his agent to get it done.

He may have, and his agent may have told him, "This is why you pay me, to look out for your best interest," and told him reasons he should not agree to that deal. Jerry seems to think that talking things over with the player is the same as negotiating with an agent , but there's a reason agents like Parsons' are hired. Forget about what the player agreed to and negotiate with the person paid to negotiate his contract. Sit down with both and see what it's going to take to hammer this out. If the agent is unreasonable, let them know that and that Parsons is under contract and will be franchise tagged the next two seasons if they cannot work out terms.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Why doesn’t he send it to the agent?

He will just has to wait until this weekend

 

[NDGAEDE]

Jerry's spin is such garbage. The agent needs to be involved in the deal, especially with an elite player like Micah. You don't just spit in your hand and call it done.

How he thinks he's in the right is just mind-boggling to me.

 

[Kwyn]

I haven’t watched the whole hour interview yet. But if it’s true that Jerry said he offered Micah a contract with the highest NFL guranteed money for a non QB than that directly contradicts what Micah tweeted about why he wants to be traded. If Micah was offered a contract with a record setting guaranteed money for a non QB, Micah should have immediately walked out if that in-person meeting, called his agent and demanded his agent to get it done.

It doesn’t contradict anything he said.

You’re forgetting who were talking about.

The most guaranteed non QB money is Myles at $123m for a four year extension. AAV 40m over those years (160m total)

What if Jerry is, in fact, offering Micah $130m guaranteed over five years at 35m per year and a total of $175m

It’s more total, more guaranteed but he’s getting an extra year at 15m.

Hardly the same and hardly as favorable for the player

Jerry is a fast talking schemer. He only dribbles out enough truth to spin things his way.

 

[Kwyn]

Not necessarily. It’s the old “you can pick your price, but I make the terms” mindset. I mean in theory I’ll pay $1,000,000 for a 2018 Honda Civic if I can pay you $1 a month. Jerry giving us one piece of information about the deal can be very misleading without the other key components.

Great analogy.

 

[Kwyn]

If Jerry is telling the truth....this might be another case of this same agent causing issues.

Sounds like Jerry is dug in on this

Offer made to Micah that would have made him the highest non QB player in the league. They had amount, years and guaranteed money agreed upon. Sent to his agent to go over and get signed. Agent says they can stick it up their $@$ and we are gonna negotiate all those again.

Jerry says that the years, amount and guarantees aren't gonna change. He feels these have already been agreed on.

Says he can same route as Dak and play out contract and then play on tag if he wants.

Your summary does not reflect what Jerry actually says on the podcast.

 

[plymkr]

He may have, and his agent may have told him, "This is why you pay me, to look out for your best interest," and told him reasons he should not agree to that deal. Jerry seems to think that talking things over with the player is the same as negotiating with an agent , but there's a reason agents like Parsons' are hired. Forget about what the player agreed to and negotiate with the person paid to negotiate his contract. Sit down with both and see what it's going to take to hammer this out. If the agent is unreasonable, let them know that and that Parsons is under contract and will be franchise tagged the next two seasons if they cannot work out terms.

I tend to think this is what happened too. Now Jerry feels betrayed and Micah is frustrated. I do believe Jerry was shady for having a conversation with Micah about his contract without the agent so I feel Jerry is wrong in this whole thing. I wish Jerry would just be a normal GM and not do this sketchy stuff.

 

[Kwyn]

Not a Jerry defender, but either way you phrase it he has 3 years of control.

He's been very vocal in the court of public opinion and Micha has never been the quiet type. I can't imagine its something crazy like the scenario you mentioned because I think we'd hear the other side in that case.

But as per usual, I know nothing.

Jerry said Micah is under contract for 3 years. That’s patently false. Micah is under contract for this year and this year only.

Jerry can prevent Micah from being a free agent and negotiating a new contract by exercising the owners franchise tag, which would automatically, without I negotiation, execute a one year deal that Micah cannot get out of. He either plays for that amount or he can’t play at all.

The next year, Jerry can exercise a second tag, again, without negotiation.

Finally, there is a third tag he can exercise but finally, at that point, the cost is very high for the owner.

The first two tags are bargains for Jerry in a situation like this, paying him significantly below market and below what other players, with better GMs will be signing next year and the year after.

So, Micah, being a first round rookie, can reasonably expect to have a first chance to negotiate a contract after playing in the league seven years which Jerry could, extend to eight.

Eight years without ever being able to decline unless he walks away from his entire career.

Average NFL career lasts 3.3 years.

Jerry is simply betting on being able to “use up” all of Miceh’d prime. His best years. Without ever having tontruly negotiate on somewhat equal footing.

I hope the other players and their agents are paying attention and I’m sure they are.

This is Dan Snyder levels of incompetence

 

[jblaze2004]

Also, let’s note …

Micah has not made a single peep in over three weeks since he asked for a trade.

Jerry continues to crap on Micah. Stephen continues to crap on him. Even Charlotte is talking.

Jerry also, this morning, got in another dig on Fox, calling him “Michael” again.

There is a long history of misnaming someone as a means to dehumanize them.

Micah has been silent.

He shouldn’t now. He needs to just blast Jerry. Expose him for the hustler that he is.

Yeah I am surprised Micah has been so silent, especially since he has a podcast and a social following. Maybe his agent said it wouldn't be a good look if he went on a bashing spree like the Joneses.

 

[zerofill]

I'm not on either side but to be fair, Jerry keeps making that statement but the sticking point may not even be about per-year money.

Jerry has a history of pushing for 5 year deals so it may be that Jerry wants 5 and Micah wants 4. Or it could be that Micah wants a no-trade clause like Dak and the Cowboys are not going to do it. Or it could also be about how much is guaranteed in the contract.

There are way more details and factors that go into a contract like that than just per-year average salary so Jerry repeating the same line over and over means little until the other details come out.

The fact that Micah and/or his agent have not responded to Jerry's repeated comment is very interesting though for many reasons.

Or he may have wanted to see if Jerry would really stick it up his rectum LOL.

 

[DasTex]

Not sure what part your questioning?

 

[ShortRound]

oh this doesn't sound good lol, shop him and trade em

 

[Brax]

He doesn’t say what he offered

For all we know, Jerry offered 130m guaranteed for seven years or something similarly stupid. It would technically be the most guaranteed but it would be a terrible deal for Micah.

And for him to say Micah has three years left is totally messed up.

He’s flat out saying that he’s entitled to the franchise years.

He doesn’t have three years. He has one year. He has “control”, or likely in his mind “ownership” for two years after that

God I hate Jerry.

No other owners go out of their way to crap on their players.

He’s so sleazy

Actually he is correct about the years, it’s the way the system works, MP doesn’t have to play if he doesn’t want to. Jerry in effect owns his football rights for 3 more years

 

[channel01]

If Jerry is telling the truth....this might be another case of this same agent causing issues.

Sounds like Jerry is dug in on this

Offer made to Micah that would have made him the highest non QB player in the league. They had amount, years and guaranteed money agreed upon. Sent to his agent to go over and get signed. Agent says they can stick it up their $@$ and we are gonna negotiate all those again.

Jerry says that the years, amount and guarantees aren't gonna change. He feels these have already been agreed on.

Says he can same route as Dak and play out contract and then play on tag if he wants.

The sequence of events here is actually the issue. No other team negotiates directly with a player without the agent present and then thinks the purpose of the agent is to rubberstamp the deal. That's practically the exact opposite of how the process should work. The agent needs to be involved from the player's side in the negotiation.

 

[JeffInDC]

Again, this is easily proven. Micah's agent would have received it in writing. Yet, Jerry has already told the world he doesn't know Mulugheta.

So, preliminary talks were had with no official offer being sent. Got it.

I’ll take your point one step further - Jerry (and Stephen to a smaller extent) have admitted that they haven’t taken any calls from Micah’s agent in FOREVER!!!!! Jerry said to the media he doesn’t think he needs to talk to the agent. He’s trying to skirt any agreement that the NFL and NFLPA have regarding contract negotiations. THIS IS ON JERRY!!!!!

 

[Mikexike]

Actually he is correct about the years, it’s the way the system works, MP doesn’t have to play if he doesn’t want to. Jerry in effect owns his football rights for 3 more years

Truth hurts

 

[Mikexike]

I’ll take your point one step further - Jerry (and Stephen to a smaller extent) have admitted that they haven’t taken any calls from Micah’s agent in FOREVER!!!!! Jerry said to the media he doesn’t think he needs to talk to the agent. He’s trying to skirt any agreement that the NFL and NFLPA have regarding contract negotiations. THIS IS ON JERRY!!!!!

League is sure batting a blind eye

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I cannot believe how petty this has gotten......

 

[mrmojo]

I thought Jerry didn't know Micahs agent or ever talk to him? Unless I heard wrong.....so whose telling Jerry to stick it up his***