Jerry and Stephen are the reason we are eliminated

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Jerry and Stephen are the reason we are eliminated. No, not for the the reasons you think, although they are valid and can be included. No, where the real problem is that their attitude for the team in the offseason and during the trade deadline is the problem. Their "we like our guys" attitude will not win us a SB. You cannot win a SB on draft picks alone. You must have quality free agents being brought in.

Think about the weaknesses that we knew going into this season that we had. We had questions about our running game and questions about our LB group. You know who didn't have those questions? Jerry and Stephen! How do I know this? Because they didn't use free agency to fix these glaring issues, and, wouldn't you know it, when we played teams that require you to run it on them and stop the run, we got blown out. Safeties are not linebackers! Linebackers are not safeties! Get that through your thick heads, Stephen and Jerry!

Also, I'm irritated because, when you look at the current contenders, they didn't just sit back and like their guys. When they saw a problem, they found ways to fix it. They were proactive. The Cowboys may as well have kept their HQ at Valley Ranch in Irving if they're going to be this inactive in free agency. There were players to be had. Yet, when free agency started, Jerry just wanted to be in his yacht. If he wants to be on his yacht so badly, then why not sell the team, move to Key West, and be yacht brothers with Jimmy? We need FO people who are proactive when they see a problem that literally everyone is aware that we have.
 

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naw they don't play qb.
Yup…they are a big part of the macro issue, but the issue on game day came down to daks lack of big game ability to play well, DQ developing a horrendous game plan, and the team quitting when they didn’t have any faith dak could lead them back.

We’re not talking about Brady in the Super Bowl down 28-3, manning down in the afcc or maholmes down a few years back…this team has zero faith in the qb and they quit
 

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Yup…they are a big part of the macro issue, but the issue on game day came down to daks lack of big game ability to play well, DQ developing a horrendous game plan, and the team quitting when they didn’t have any faith dak could lead them back.

We’re not talking about Brady in the Super Bowl down 28-3, manning down in the afcc or maholmes down a few years back…this team has zero faith in the qb and they quit

That may be, but they also didn't make a stop until garbage time with the Packers. They couldn't stop the Packers running game. I'm not saying that Dak wasn't a big problem. I'm just saying that the biggest problem is the FO for their passive attitude. If they were really interested in winning a championship and in the "player acquisition is a 365 day a year job" idea, then they would have known that they didn't have enough talent. You want to know why the 49ers are the one seed? They actually traded and signed players when they saw a problem. The Ravens were proactive and found ways to make their team better despite their injuries. When we lost Diggs, what did they do? Nothing. What did they do when DO tore his ACL? Nothing. What did they do when they saw us get gashed by the 49ers run game to fix that problem? Nothing. I could go on
 

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Their "we like our guys" attitude will not win us a SB. You cannot win a SB on draft picks alone. You must have quality free agents being brought in.
The Cowboys did bring in a couple. And they traded for Gilly and Cooks. But the main reason they were eliminated this year was coaching. MM and DQ had epic failure days.
 

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Jerry and Stephen are the reason we are eliminated. No, not for the the reasons you think, although they are valid and can be included. No, where the real problem is that their attitude for the team in the offseason and during the trade deadline is the problem. Their "we like our guys" attitude will not win us a SB. You cannot win a SB on draft picks alone. You must have quality free agents being brought in.

Think about the weaknesses that we knew going into this season that we had. We had questions about our running game and questions about our LB group. You know who didn't have those questions? Jerry and Stephen! How do I know this? Because they didn't use free agency to fix these glaring issues, and, wouldn't you know it, when we played teams that require you to run it on them and stop the run, we got blown out. Safeties are not linebackers! Linebackers are not safeties! Get that through your thick heads, Stephen and Jerry!

Also, I'm irritated because, when you look at the current contenders, they didn't just sit back and like their guys. When they saw a problem, they found ways to fix it. They were proactive. The Cowboys may as well have kept their HQ at Valley Ranch in Irving if they're going to be this inactive in free agency. There were players to be had. Yet, when free agency started, Jerry just wanted to be in his yacht. If he wants to be on his yacht so badly, then why not sell the team, move to Key West, and be yacht brothers with Jimmy? We need FO people who are proactive when they see a problem that literally everyone is aware that we have.
Dude, we have 9 pro bowl and all pro players on our team...More than any other franchise. We are paying 160 million to a 4th round QB who has and had warts well known. I think the Cowboys draft pretty well and they did bring in quality FA's last year. No team can have all pro players at every position and injuries happen throughout the season. McClay takes cares of finding available talent that fits under the cap. Now the 49ers have a bottom of the draft QB who is not being paid yet. Who do you want to pay? CeeDee and Micah or some
castoff from another team.
 

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The Cowboys did bring in a couple. And they traded for Gilly and Cooks. But the main reason they were eliminated this year was coaching. MM and DQ had epic failure days.

Yes, and the FO not being proactive again with that. Last time they made a coaching change, they waited about a week before doing it. By the time they were done, the better choices were gone. They're doing that again. The trades were good. However, we needed more areas fixed. And now, if they're going to make a coaching change, they need to do it now and start the interviewing process. They have learned nothing.
 

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Dude, we have 9 pro bowl and all pro players on our team...More than any other franchise. We are paying 160 million to a 4th round QB who has and had warts well known. I think the Cowboys draft pretty well and they did bring in quality FA's last year. No team can have all pro players at every position and injuries happen throughout the season. McClay takes cares of finding available talent that fits under the cap. Now the 49ers have a bottom of the draft QB who is not being paid yet. Who do you want to pay? CeeDee and Micah or some
castoff from another team.

I get that we can't have all pros everywhere. However, we could try to find some players on 1 year deals. I'd have loved for us to have gotten Suh on a 1 year deal. We could have, during the offseason, tried to find a linebacker. When we had a chance at Bobby Wagner, we should have gotten him knowing that LVE was going to get hurt at some point. We draft great. I'm not disputing that. I'm just pointing out that there is more that they can do. As for CeeDee and Micah, I'm leaning towards them being traded for first round picks.
 

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It was an entire organizational fail, from the FO through the coaches and the players themselves. There wasn't one element of this team that performed well.

Yes, and the FO has been the problem for the longest time. I'm not sure when Jerry became this passive? I'm not saying that he needs to go back to his maverick days when he would throw caution to the wind, but there's a fine line in the middle that he can walk. I'd like for him to take more chances. If he signs a big FA and it doesn't work out, I won't fault him for it. I'd be glad that he actually swung for a top tier talent. It'd be on the player for not showing up. Just the same way, I don't blame him for extending Dak (which, btw, would probably have been cheaper if he'd been proactive). I think Dak, who had a great regular season this year, didn't deliver. But, he saw with the Cooks and Gilly trades that bringing in more talent can help you. I want him to do a little more of that, but with FAs.
 

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This team needs Dak to disappear from the NFL. Dude just needs to retire. Yeah I don't ever want to hear he is better than Goff! Anyone that wants to see Dak signed is a Cowboy hater.

Where did I say that I wanted Dak back? I acknowledge, obviously, that Dak is a big problem. At the same time, could this season not have been salvageable if we had a more proactive FO? Maybe we get a first round bye if Jerry actually gets some bonafide run stoppers at LB. Maybe if we have Suh, Aaron Jones doesn't run for as many yards and TDs as he did AGAIN!! Maybe if we actually had a running game, we don't have to throw it as much. These could have been addressed if Jerry was proactive.

Oh, and as for the question about Micah that someone else asked, what's to say he's going to stay anyway when his contract expires? Maybe if Jerry was proactive, he might be more inclined to stay. Instead, he seems to be indicating that he might want to follow DQ if he leaves. So, maybe by getting Suh, we actually give Micah a reason to stay. As of now, I doubt he stays anyway, so, imo, we may as well trade him and get as much as we can for him.
 

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The problem is not with the talent on the team. Teams have won with a lot less. I am surprised people forgot Dilfer has a super bowl. The problem with this team is the sense of security and their country club attitude that flows from the top down. How many playoff games have we witnessed where the team was not ready, Romo went on vacation, the Cabo incident. Players know they will be rewarded regardless, there is no accountability and it is not coming from the coaches. To me that is the biggest problem with this team and the root of this issue is Jerry.
 

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I get it that there are a multitude of problems that need to be solved to fix this team. But you all give no solutions, we all know this dog has fleas, ringworms, diarrhea, mange and possibly rabies. Do we shoot him or try to fix him? The OP is just saying we gotta start somewhere...and the first step is hiring a competent HC and not castrate him, as well as a tough nosed, disciplinarian of a DC... At this point, Jerry sitting on his arse in his yacht is like sticking his head in the sand and not wanting to deal with anything. He needs to fire his HC and begin the interviewing process with the top HC available now. Not the bottom of the barrel YES men he normally looks for and have led to this crap. Hire your DC after DQ gets his arse out of town. Then you begin dealing with weeding out the players you need and don't need to accumulate talent that will reflect the kind of team you want to build. If you say that Jerry would never do that......then we've come full circle, and the OP is right....Jerry and Stephen are the problem.
 

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I get it that there are a multitude of problems that need to be solved to fix this team. But you all give no solutions, we all know this dog has fleas, ringworms, diarrhea, mange and possibly rabies. Do we shoot him or try to fix him? The OP is just saying we gotta start somewhere...and the first step is hiring a competent HC and not castrate him, as well as a tough nosed, disciplinarian of a DC... At this point, Jerry sitting on his arse in his yacht is like sticking his head in the sand and not wanting to deal with anything. He needs to fire his HC and begin the interviewing process with the top HC available now. Not the bottom of the barrel YES men he normally looks for and have led to this crap. Hire your DC after DQ gets his arse out of town. Then you begin dealing with weeding out the players you need and don't need to accumulate talent that will reflect the kind of team you want to build. If you say that Jerry would never do that......then we've come full circle, and the OP is right....Jerry and Stephen are the problem.

Well yeah, if it goes to his lack of proactivity. If he wants to get a hard-nosed coach, he needs to find the coach now. It doesn't necessarily have to be Bill, but he can find a coach if he wants to. He has the money to get Jim Harbaugh or Vrabel if he wants to. There's no salary cap on coaches. As for the players, I think him not going for Bobby Wagner, who wanted to play here, was a bad move. Especially when we know LVE tends to miss time with injuries. Suh was available for a one year deal. We might have been able to stop the run more with those two. My solution to the problem is that they need to be proactive in Free Agency for once and actually fill the glaring holes that we have. Both at coach and with the on field talent. Get Derrick Henry in the offseason. Get Suh on a 1 year deal. Get the best available LBer. Go get more players. That's my solution. Get more talent and be proactive about it.
 

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The problem is not with the talent on the team. Teams have won with a lot less. I am surprised people forgot Dilfer has a super bowl. The problem with this team is the sense of security and their country club attitude that flows from the top down. How many playoff games have we witnessed where the team was not ready, Romo went on vacation, the Cabo incident. Players know they will be rewarded regardless, there is no accountability and it is not coming from the coaches. To me that is the biggest problem with this team and the root of this issue is Jerry.

Well, and the same mistake is being made now, if Jerry's going to part ways with Mike. He needs to just rip the band-aid off and get the best coaches in for interviews. Go bring in Vrabel and Harbaugh for interviews. let them decide who they want,.and go get those players. Go get the players that will fix our glaring weaknesses instead of sitting back and hoping that the problem will be ignored by the opposition.
 

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The issues in this organization are bigger than the QB. Yea Dak sucks and isn't good enough but this is a systemic issue. No QB was winning that game.

Exactly, not when the defence just cannot stop the run. Not when the defence is letting a tight end be wide open and not even bother covering him. Patrick Mahomes wasn't going to win this game with how badly our defence played. The most angering part of it is that it didn't have to be that way. Suh was available. Bobby Wagner wanted to be here with DQ. There were plenty of other FAs we could have had that probably wouldn't have coated much. There were FA running backs like Myles Sanders available. The point is, instead of being proactive, they went dumpster diving as usual, and they found exactly what you'd expect to find in a dumpster.
 

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I legitimacy think the Giants would have played a more competitive game Sunday. How can this be explained???? You're a 2 seed playing at home. Losing is one thing, but that was a legitimate 30 point blowout loss to a 7 seed. I dont care what the final score says.
 
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