Jerry and Stephen are the reason we are eliminated

[john van brocklin]

Jerry and Stephen are the reason we are eliminated. No, not for the the reasons you think, although they are valid and can be included. No, where the real problem is that their attitude for the team in the offseason and during the trade deadline is the problem. Their "we like our guys" attitude will not win us a SB. You cannot win a SB on draft picks alone. You must have quality free agents being brought in.

Think about the weaknesses that we knew going into this season that we had. We had questions about our running game and questions about our LB group. You know who didn't have those questions? Jerry and Stephen! How do I know this? Because they didn't use free agency to fix these glaring issues, and, wouldn't you know it, when we played teams that require you to run it on them and stop the run, we got blown out. Safeties are not linebackers! Linebackers are not safeties! Get that through your thick heads, Stephen and Jerry!

Also, I'm irritated because, when you look at the current contenders, they didn't just sit back and like their guys. When they saw a problem, they found ways to fix it. They were proactive. The Cowboys may as well have kept their HQ at Valley Ranch in Irving if they're going to be this inactive in free agency. There were players to be had. Yet, when free agency started, Jerry just wanted to be in his yacht. If he wants to be on his yacht so badly, then why not sell the team, move to Key West, and be yacht brothers with Jimmy? We need FO people who are proactive when they see a problem that literally everyone is aware that we have.

Amateur GM, going to screw up.
But hey it's yacht season, let's go crusin!

 

[SwagSurfer]

Look, like any organization in the world, the blame starts at the top. Yes Dak chokes in big moments, Dan Quinn and the defense didn't show up and McCarthy did not have the team ready. But all the blame should start with the guys who have final say on the roster.

They could've fixed the LB issue but chose not to. They could've fixed the RB issues but chose not to. They created the Hollywood atmosphere giving fans unlimited access to players which gave 2nd and 3rd stringers the big head. McCarthy is a players coach but you cant have a players coach and a players owner, where is the balance? Everything is sunshine and lollipops in Jerry's world. Guys who should be focused on staying on the main roster beyond this season are hosting parties around playoff time. That's on the owner.

This team has no identity on either side of the ball. They are a mentally weak, finesse team and it will remain that way so long Jerry has his hands on how things are ran.

 

[zrinkill]

It amazes me that after 28 years, 7 head coaches, 22 starting QB's, and 1GM that there are still people defending that 1 GM at all costs.

 

[LittleD]

Yes, and the FO has been the problem for the longest time. I'm not sure when Jerry became this passive? I'm not saying that he needs to go back to his maverick days when he would throw caution to the wind, but there's a fine line in the middle that he can walk. I'd like for him to take more chances. If he signs a big FA and it doesn't work out, I won't fault him for it. I'd be glad that he actually swung for a top tier talent. It'd be on the player for not showing up. Just the same way, I don't blame him for extending Dak (which, btw, would probably have been cheaper if he'd been proactive). I think Dak, who had a great regular season this year, didn't deliver. But, he saw with the Cooks and Gilly trades that bringing in more talent can help you. I want him to do a little more of that, but with FAs.

His maverick days were in the 1990's when there was NO cap. You only have so much cap space each year when you are paying your best draft picks who have performed. Granted, Dak was not worth his contract and isn't worth an extension but, do you just want to blow up this team, dump everyone and start over? It would take a tank year and then
drafting in the top 5 to try and hit on a franchise QB. No guarantees there though.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Look, like any organization in the world, the blame starts at the top. Yes Dak chokes in big moments, Dan Quinn and the defense didn't show up and McCarthy did not have the team ready. But all the blame should start with the guys who have final say on the roster.

They could've fixed the LB issue but chose not to. They could've fixed the RB issues but chose not to. They created the Hollywood atmosphere giving fans unlimited access to players which gave 2nd and 3rd stringers the big head. McCarthy is a players coach but you cant have a players coach and a players owner, where is the balance? Everything is sunshine and lollipops in Jerry's world. Guys who should be focused on staying on the main roster beyond this season are hosting parties around playoff time. That's on the owner.

This team has no identity on either side of the ball. They are a mentally weak, finesse team and it will remain that way so long Jerry has his hands on how things are ran.

Exactly. I'm not sure if the moves would have worked, but they can't have done much worse than what we are doing. If the FO makes a move that has a clear way of working, like say signing Bobby Wagner who wanted to be here, and it doesn't work, I'm not going to fault then for it. They tried. They put a piece into the puzzle that should have worked and made sense. I don't fault then for the Brandon Carr move years ago. I understood that we needed DB help, and he was the best one on the market. Sometimes, FAs don't work. But it's okay imo. At least they put in the effort to make the team better.

 

[MikeT22]

There is not just one problem. That is the problem. It’s truly a mess of proportions larger than large.

There are many problems, most are a result of the problem at the top.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

His maverick days were in the 1990's when there was NO cap. You only have so much cap space each year when you are paying your best draft picks who have performed. Granted, Dak was not worth his contract and isn't worth an extension but, do you just want to blow up this team, dump everyone and start over? It would take a tank year and then
drafting in the top 5 to try and hit on a franchise QB. No guarantees there though.

I don't know. I just want to finally see my Cowboys in the NFCC. I want to see the FO actually show some effort. Like I said, I don't blame them for the Carr move years ago. FA misses happen. If nothing else, I want the FO to at least show that they're putting in all their effort. I mean, what we're doing now isn't working. If we have to start over, at least we have pieces that can be moved for first round picks. So, if we have to rebuild, then at least we can do it more quickly than in the past. The way we're doing things now, I'm not sure I'm ever going to see the Cowboys in the SB, and I'm 31.

 

[Ranching]

I agree, and I don't like his zone scheme. If Seattle wants him, they can have him. However, that also doesn't change the fact that we had safeties playing linebacker. Bell is not a linebacker. He is a safety. We needed linebackers, but, because of the FO, we didn't have much depth when LVE went down. We also didn't run the ball nearly as well as we should have. Pollard isn't Zeke. We needed a better and more physical run game. Pollard is great if you're trying to get the ball to him on the outside. However, you need a little thunder to go with his lightning. It's why I was pleading for DH at the trade deadline. It's things like that that get me annoyed at the FO. We have issues that are glaring, and they seldom fix it until it's too late. When you look at the 49ers and Ravens, they don't just say they like their guys. They made moves to make sure they had more. We need to make sure we have more. If nothing else, more can be an insurance policy against injury. This is what I was saying in my OP. Maybe I could've said they're a big part of the problem, but that's what I was trying to say.

Hindsight is 20/20....you make good points, but we have a stud MLB in Persons, but Quinn insisted on playing him at DE against 320lb linemen, even after the league caught on to his scheme. Damn Jerry and Stephen and their stupid defensive gameplan. Lol

 

[blueblood70]

Jerry and Stephen are the reason we are eliminated. No, not for the the reasons you think, although they are valid and can be included. No, where the real problem is that their attitude for the team in the offseason and during the trade deadline is the problem. Their "we like our guys" attitude will not win us a SB. You cannot win a SB on draft picks alone. You must have quality free agents being brought in.

Think about the weaknesses that we knew going into this season that we had. We had questions about our running game and questions about our LB group. You know who didn't have those questions? Jerry and Stephen! How do I know this? Because they didn't use free agency to fix these glaring issues, and, wouldn't you know it, when we played teams that require you to run it on them and stop the run, we got blown out. Safeties are not linebackers! Linebackers are not safeties! Get that through your thick heads, Stephen and Jerry!

Also, I'm irritated because, when you look at the current contenders, they didn't just sit back and like their guys. When they saw a problem, they found ways to fix it. They were proactive. The Cowboys may as well have kept their HQ at Valley Ranch in Irving if they're going to be this inactive in free agency. There were players to be had. Yet, when free agency started, Jerry just wanted to be in his yacht. If he wants to be on his yacht so badly, then why not sell the team, move to Key West, and be yacht brothers with Jimmy? We need FO people who are proactive when they see a problem that literally everyone is aware that we have.

So how many times are we gonna see posts about Jerry and Steven and the Jones family around here you know they're not going anywhere this is pointless venting they are gonna be here and probably pass this down to generations they're not going anywhere so so why do we need to keep talking about it let's just hope he's smart enough and old enough that Jerry is gonna be impatient it makes a big move this offseason hopefully in the coming weeks to change the coaching staff and then move on from there nothing else is changing you convey all you want I'm tired of hearing about it and more than likely you might not like Prescott either but he's probably gonna be here at least another year so all this needless venting and being upset is understandable but the Jones family is not going anywhere they're not hiring a real GM that's will mcclay he's already here he's already been re upped he's coming back so the front office is staying the same...

So let's focus on the other 600 threads and went what wrong with the game and making changes with coaches and players versus this because this is never gonna change if this is what you want you probably need to start giving your loyalties to another team....

 

[LittleD]

Exactly. I'm not sure if the moves would have worked, but they can't have done much worse than what we are doing. If the FO makes a move that has a clear way of working, like say signing Bobby Wagner who wanted to be here, and it doesn't work, I'm not going to fault then for it. They tried. They put a piece into the puzzle that should have worked and made sense. I don't fault then for the Brandon Carr move years ago. I understood that we needed DB help, and he was the best one on the market. Sometimes, FAs don't work. But it's okay imo. At least they put in the effort to make the team better.

Jerry hired the best coach at the time who normally got his GB teams to the dance. He got to a SB and won with his best QB. Not that many SB winning coaches are available on the market who would work for Jerry. Someone like Belichick wants total control over the team like Parcells.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Damn Jerry and Stephen and their stupid defensive gameplan. Lol

Leave Jerry alone. He knows Mike has done the most with the crap we have behind center.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Hindsight is 20/20....you make good points, but we have a stud MLB in Persons, but Quinn insisted on playing him at DE against 320lb linemen, even after the league caught on to his scheme. Damn Jerry and Stephen and their stupid defensive gameplan. Lol

Haha, true, and maybe a DC (who also values ballhawks so we can keep going for the interceptions that we get) that can better use Parsons would be great. We need a DC who knows how to be physical. In the meantime, I want to see the FO put more pieces in the puzzle. I won't fault then if a clearly well thoughtout signing doesn't work. It happens. At least they tried.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Jerry hired the best coach at the time who normally got his GB teams to the dance. He got to a SB and won with his best QB. Not that many SB winning coaches are available on the market who would work for Jerry. Someone like Belichick wants total control over the team like Parcells.

I understand that, and this is one of the problems with Jerry. We have to account for the Jerry factor when deciding what coach we want.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

So how many times are we gonna see posts about Jerry and Steven and the Jones family around here you know they're not going anywhere this is pointless venting they are gonna be here and probably pass this down to generations they're not going anywhere so so why do we need to keep talking about it let's just hope he's smart enough and old enough that Jerry is gonna be impatient it makes a big move this offseason hopefully in the coming weeks to change the coaching staff and then move on from there nothing else is changing you convey all you want I'm tired of hearing about it and more than likely you might not like Prescott either but he's probably gonna be here at least another year so all this needless venting and being upset is understandable but the Jones family is not going anywhere they're not hiring a real GM that's will mcclay he's already here he's already been re upped he's coming back so the front office is staying the same...

So let's focus on the other 600 threads and went what wrong with the game and making changes with coaches and players versus this because this is never gonna change if this is what you want you probably need to start giving your loyalties to another team....

What I want is to see the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.

 

[LittleD]

I don't know. I just want to finally see my Cowboys in the NFCC. I want to see the FO actually show some effort. Like I said, I don't blame them for the Carr move years ago. FA misses happen. If nothing else, I want the FO to at least show that they're putting in all their effort. I mean, what we're doing now isn't working. If we have to start over, at least we have pieces that can be moved for first round picks. So, if we have to rebuild, then at least we can do it more quickly than in the past. The way we're doing things now, I'm not sure I'm ever going to see the Cowboys in the SB, and I'm 31.

You do realize that only 4 teams make a championship game each season out of 32. Odds aren't great and you have to have lots go right to make it happen Limiting injuries is one and having a QB who can carry a team when necessary. We had some injuries in the wrong spots and Dak has never been able to carry a team. He is just an average bus driver at best.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

You do realize that only 4 teams make a championship game each season out of 32. Odds aren't great and you have to have lots go right to make it happen Limiting injuries is one and having a QB who can carry a team when necessary. We had some injuries in the wrong spots and Dak has never been able to carry a team. He is just an average bus driver at best.

I get that, but, at the same time, since becoming a fan, I've never seen this team get beyond the division round. It's embarrassing for me as a fan to see that we are one of only 3 (4 if you count the Texans who started in 2002) teams since 96 to have not even been to an NFCC. I want to see us finally get there. Obviously, I want a SB, but, if nothing else, I want to see us get to that level.

 

[LittleD]

I understand that, and this is one of the problems with Jerry. We have to account for the Jerry factor when deciding what coach we want.

When you own the team lock, stock, and barrel you get to run it just like you desire. Jerry is the captain of his own ship and makes tons of money along the way. He gets loads of media coverage and fills the stands with patrons. What's not to like about Jerry World.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

When you own the team lock, stock, and barrel you get to run it just like you desire. Jerry is the captain of his own ship and makes tons of money along the way. He gets loads of media coverage and fills the stands with patrons. What's not to like about Jerry World.

The lack of division round wins since I've been a fan.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yep they extended that loser dak, I guess you are right.

 

[LittleD]

I get that, but, at the same time, since becoming a fan, I've never seen this team get beyond the division round. It's embarrassing for me as a fan to see that we are one of only 3 (4 if you count the Texans who started in 2002) teams since 96 to have not even been to an NFCC. I want to see us finally get there. Obviously, I want a SB, but, if nothing else, I want to see us get to that level.

Gee, take a gander at the Detroit Lions. This is the farthest they've ever been since the 1950's. The Patriots won 6 SB's and now look at that team without a franchise QB. Speaks
volumes