Jerry and Stephen disagree on Dak running? **merged**

[birdwells1]

You guys always find a way to expose yourselves on here. LeBron James, the intellect of a 9 year old? Lol.

blockem

 

[plasticman]

I don't care what they think. I do care about the damage they cause when they think they know what they are talking about.I wish they would both just shut up and leave football decisions to the football experts they hired.

Owners should only speak under two circumstances, when they are accepting their team's championship trophy from Goodell or when they have hired/fired a GM. Otherwise, I could just as well get the same opinions from guys in this forum or drinking at a sports bar or engaging in office small talk.

If either of the Jones's tried to apply for a GM job on the other 31 teams they wouldn't even get a return E-mail. As far as NFL expertise and credential go, they are both a joke.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

While Dak gets coached by Kellen Moore, to get a sharp aim and great accuracy ,

I am more than content that he runs 10-15 times a game , for sure.

I really don't see him gettin hurt, his young, tall and heavy . We should risk it . I could be wrong ... but do we really have a choice ?

As we've seen, his accuracy isn't there yet, maybe its just rust, but in the meantime...

 

[Bullflop]

I think Stephen has a more realistic idea than Jerry's. Most OCs would favor being modest with their QBs running numbers. If Dak limits himself to 4 or 5, it could easily be enough to sway an advantage in our direction. Getting himself bruised and battered wouldn't help his cause, nor ours.

 

[Hoofbite]

reports have shown for years that qb's are the position least likely to be seriously injured in the nfl. of course they do. but not with the frequency of rb's, wr's, and linemen. they can always slide when they run. they get serious protection from the ref's. if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.

I haven't seen such a report but I would like to.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

I don't see improvement on daks mechanics, its now his third year; and he seems to have regressed.

I would have to agree that it is time to make him a running QB .

Its a team sport, and whatever can get us the W matters .

 

[cern]

I haven't seen such a report but I would like to.

Google it.

 

[cern]

I would let Dak run on every play ... If he takes the option .

Yeah ... im good with that .

He is heavy and fast , i doubt he gets easily injured .

Use him the way we did this rookie season. The run option keeps defenses guessing. It's that simple.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Use him the way we did this rookie season. The run option keeps defenses guessing. It's that simple.

Agreed... Plus, like you said, QBs are treated differently... if they slide they can't even be looked at.

 

[Number1]

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...s-disagree-on-Dak-Prescott-running-122181128/
interesting quote

"...Now here is where things get interesting. Cowboys VP and Jones' eventual successor Stephen Jones went on his radio show on 105.3 The Fan on Monday (h/t Jon Machota of The Dallas Morning News) and sang a very different tune. He said “You can’t just consistently serve your quarterback up as a runner... I can’t necessarily see our plan being to run Dak 8-10 times a game. I think you use it to set everything else up.” Essentially, this suggests a philosophical schism between the two leaders of the Jones family. The patriarch wants Prescott to run so that the Cowboys can win now. The successor wants Prescott to stay in the pocket to preserve his health. ..."


the more Dak runs, the more you put him in line of getting hit and injured. win now? maybe 5 or 6 games...and get Dak hurt.... I don't advocate running the QB....except very selectively and not every week.

you got understand the design of this O, it's a little different than most. at it's base it's a timing system, but like a WCO uses a lot of zone blocking between the tackles, they also use 2 TEs more than most. the basic idea is to run off tackle and throw slants/dumps to get the Ss up and go deep

this system can produce a ton of points when clicking and with aggressive play calling

JG started down this route when he hired Scott and gave Murray the ball. But he had Tony, Dez, and Jason to work with - avg 8.5 per attempt, only threw 29 times a game.
He also had an awesome OL. And really sad D. Now he has an almost awesome OL, Dak, Zeke, useless TEs, a slew of blazing fast WRs (that's new), and a real D.

from 2016 to 2017 Day's avg x attempt dropped from 8.0 to 6.8. That is the difference between 13-3 and 9-7

Like Tony (with Murray) Dak will likely be in the bottom 10th of attempts. Dak probably drops back 35 x a game, after penalties, sacks, and scrambles, he throws 30. So less hits than most QBs, if he runs another 5 x a game by design, slides on 4 of them, and gets another 3 first downs - that's fine by me.

If he decides to run over a DB that's fine me - better that than than a DT falling into his leg in the pocket.

to get more points out of this 50/50 run/pass system with this personnel you have to either run more plays or throw deeper patterns or both.

Note, this coaching staff has very little faith in their pass protection. how much Dak runs will vary until the OL is good enough to give him time to go deep. Until then expect a lot of slants and scrambles. I'd suggest designed roll outs to buy time but they don't listen to me.

considering we don't have to protect the D - just get aggressive and attack - Jason should "play fast"

 

[buybuydandavis]

Running is part of Daks skillset to not let him use that defangs him.

This. We drafted Dak because he could run. We should make use of that. If we didn't plan to, we should have drafted an endless string of Mike Whites.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Must be nice to be billionaires. You can do most anything. Include pretending you are some sort of expert on football. Never scouted. Never played in the NFL. Never coached in the NFL or in college. Yet some how they are experts. I discount nearly everything Dumb and Dumber say about football. It is either nonsense or so obvious that any child could say the same.

Wealth does not correlate with intelligence. Look at Lebron James. Wealthy guy. Has the intellect of a 9 year old.

Maybe you’d be richer than Lebron if you were as smart as he was.

 

[VABoyz]

Unless u have an insane defense and beast running game I just am never a fan of the running qb as his number 1 strength..the difference maker qbs are ACCURATE from 12-18 yards. That prevents u from having to have MULTIPLE 12 play drives to score. If Dak is running then he's at risk but he HAS to run for offensive success. He's just not a stand in the pocket and throw strikes consistently qb. I prefer those guys who can make arm plays at all levels of the field but that's not what we're working with right now.

 

[Direwolf63]

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...s-disagree-on-Dak-Prescott-running-122181128/
interesting quote

"...Now here is where things get interesting. Cowboys VP and Jones' eventual successor Stephen Jones went on his radio show on 105.3 The Fan on Monday (h/t Jon Machota of The Dallas Morning News) and sang a very different tune. He said “You can’t just consistently serve your quarterback up as a runner... I can’t necessarily see our plan being to run Dak 8-10 times a game. I think you use it to set everything else up.” Essentially, this suggests a philosophical schism between the two leaders of the Jones family. The patriarch wants Prescott to run so that the Cowboys can win now. The successor wants Prescott to stay in the pocket to preserve his health. ..."


the more Dak runs, the more you put him in line of getting hit and injured. win now? maybe 5 or 6 games...and get Dak hurt.... I don't advocate running the QB....except very selectively and not every week.

Haven't read the thread so many others may have said this:

It should not be tp Jerry and Stephen how much the QB should or should not run. It should be the coaches. Period.

 

[OmerV]

While Dak gets coached by Kellen Moore, to get a sharp aim and great accuracy ,

I am more than content that he runs 10-15 times a game , for sure.

I really don't see him gettin hurt, his young, tall and heavy . We should risk it . I could be wrong ... but do we really have a choice ?

As we've seen, his accuracy isn't there yet, maybe its just rust, but in the meantime...

Yes, we do have a choice. We need Dak to use his legs, but it doesn’t take 10-15 called runs for him to make a difference with his legs.

 

[thechosen1n2]

do you think zack martin regards Stephen as cheap? I doubt it. zekes's just a big kid at heart. but he seems to be growing up quickly.

Let me be clear. I think Stephen has some good qualities. He pays a lot of attention to the trenches, but you have to pay some skill positions too.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...s-disagree-on-Dak-Prescott-running-122181128/
interesting quote

"...Now here is where things get interesting. Cowboys VP and Jones' eventual successor Stephen Jones went on his radio show on 105.3 The Fan on Monday (h/t Jon Machota of The Dallas Morning News) and sang a very different tune. He said “You can’t just consistently serve your quarterback up as a runner... I can’t necessarily see our plan being to run Dak 8-10 times a game. I think you use it to set everything else up.” Essentially, this suggests a philosophical schism between the two leaders of the Jones family. The patriarch wants Prescott to run so that the Cowboys can win now. The successor wants Prescott to stay in the pocket to preserve his health. ..."


the more Dak runs, the more you put him in line of getting hit and injured. win now? maybe 5 or 6 games...and get Dak hurt.... I don't advocate running the QB....except very selectively and not every week.

I think he SHOULD run because that's his game.