Jerry did not get fleeced in a trade

[JD_KaPow]

For all of you who constantly whine about Jerry always getting fleeced—the trade value chart indicates that we got very good trade value in the trade down and “won the trade”. That is all. Thank you. Take care.

When have we been fleeced in a trade? The only one I remember is the Frederick trade, where we traded 18 for 31+74. That's definitely a loser by the traditional chart, although it's a winner on the other charts (pretty much all trades down are). Other than that, Dallas's draft trades seem to be pretty good in terms of value by the chart.

 

[jterrell]

It's a bigger win on the other charts, which see the dropoff from 10 to 12 as small and see much greater relative value in 2nd and 3rd rounders than the JJ chart does.

Trades down will always look better by the more modern charts.

those modern charts use smaller point totals so the numbers simply aren't as large but you are corect they see it as a more distinct win to get the extra pick.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

on this one they drop 22 points to pick up 51. So great overall value but the 29 is a lot lower than the 70 the original chart grants.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Jerry needs to burn his outdated trade chart...should have got the better Eagles 3rd.

Huh? The modern charts see this trade as a huge win for Dallas; they like it better than the "outdated" JJ chart. There's no way they could get more than they did.

 

[JD_KaPow]

those modern charts use smaller point totals so the numbers simply aren't as large but you are corect they see it as a more distinct win to get the extra pick.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

on this one they drop 22 points to pick up 51. So great overall value but the 29 is a lot lower than the 70 the original chart grants.

You can just go by percentage gained. By the JJ chart, Dallas gained 5.4%. By the chart you link to, the gain is 7.9%. The AV-based charts give us over a 20% gain.

 

[bewp7]

i guess the real "problem" if u want to call it that is they was 100% locked in with parsons so they couldnt go to 20 and they knew he would be there at 12 so another top 100 pick to get your guy was just a big bonus and they did not even want to try to play hard ball with eagles to pay a division tax or any thing silly.

 

[eromeopolk]

This is a nonsense, goofball take.
I wasn't thrilled with the Parsons selection but the trade value was WELL Above board and trading down to 12 versus 20 isn't even in the same universe.
DAL picked LB1 and at 20 they would have had access to LB4.

The guy they took at 12 was the guy they would have taken at 10.

You can use all the insulting terms you want.

However, it does not change the reality that the Giant will have 2 no. 1 picks and 2 4th round picks and that all those defensive players and probably even Parsons were available at 20.

Can't change the fact regarding the history of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones trade down results.

Can't change the fact that your Chief Brand Officer should not be sitting between the EVP of Player Personnel and the VP of Player Personnel.

Can't change the fact you need a CB to stop Devin Smith from nearly my home town of Amite LA and home state.

The value chart just changed 1 pick ahead of the Cowboys when NY got their haul.

This is the Typical Jonesboys fan reactions that has the Arlington Jonesboys not in a NFC Championship game or Super Bowl in 25 years. Truth hurts you'll be in pain. Truth drives you crazy you'll be insane.

This is continued insanity of Arlington Jonesboys fans saying the won after the team gets a 3rd round pick moving down 2 spots and the Division Rival getting a top 10 WR that no one on your defense can cover including the pick you drafted.

 

[JD_KaPow]

That is a very Arlington Jonesboys analysis. Here is the reality of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones.

1. Cowboys dropped out of the top 10 trading with a division rival. Would not a division rival pay more for a trade up?

No they wouldn't. Why do people believe this? Can you point to a single example? Besides which, the Eagles did overpay in this trade. Also, Smith goes to a division rival whether you make the trade or not, so why in the world would you not make the trade?

If your VP of Player Personnel was next to the Executive VP Director of Player and not the Branding Chief Officer, you could have come out the first round with Parsons and Farley and still had a 2nd round pick to draft Jabril Cox.

How in the world do you propose to do that? You're not moving up to 21 or higher to get Farley without giving your second-rounder. This is all nonsense.

 

[dwreck27]

First how do you know the Bears offered the Cowboys the same deal? You don't. Second, IF they would have made the trade they would have missed out on the best defensive impact player in the draft. Last year the Cowboys defense was a laughing stock in case you forgot.

First your defense of picking parsons is an opinion. Every pick is a gamble..... having more picks helps your average...

Im sorry yes maybe Jimmy’s amazing chart shows we “won” the trade. But giving your division rival a key piece to what their missing for a middle of the round 3rd round pick? Wow...

 

[Rockport]

First your defense of picking parsons is an opinion. Every pick is a gamble..... having more picks helps your average...

Im sorry yes maybe Jimmy’s amazing chart shows we “won” the trade. But giving your division rival a key piece to what their missing for a middle of the round 3rd round pick? Wow...

How did they give the Eagles a key piece?

 

[JD_KaPow]

First your defense of picking parsons is an opinion. Every pick is a gamble..... having more picks helps your average...

Im sorry yes maybe Jimmy’s amazing chart shows we “won” the trade. But giving your division rival a key piece to what their missing for a middle of the round 3rd round pick? Wow...

Smith was going to the Eagles or Giants regardless of what we did. What about this do people not understand?

 

[dwreck27]

How did they give the Eagles a key piece?

Allowing them to move up and guarantee a WR they’ve been missing on for years.

 

[Rockport]

Smith was going to the Eagles or Giants regardless of what we did. What about this do people not understand?

Yeah I don't get it. I guess they're just reaching to find anything to crap on the pick about.

 

[jterrell]

You can use all the insulting terms you want.

However, it does not change the reality that the Giant will have 2 no. 1 picks and 2 4th round picks and that all those defensive players and probably even Parsons were available at 20.

Can't change the fact regarding the history of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones trade down results.

Can't change the fact that your Chief Brand Officer should not be sitting between the EVP of Player Personnel and the VP of Player Personnel.

Can't change the fact you need a CB to stop Devin Smith from nearly my home town of Amite LA and home state.

The value chart just changed 1 pick ahead of the Cowboys when NY got their haul.

This is the Typical Jonesboys fan reactions that has the Arlington Jonesboys not in a NFC Championship game or Super Bowl in 25 years. Truth hurts you'll be in pain. Truth drives you crazy you'll be insane.

This is continued insanity of Arlington Jonesboys fans saying the won after the team gets a 3rd round pick moving down 2 spots and the Division Rival getting a top 10 WR that no one on your defense can cover including the pick you drafted.

The Giants are livid because they lost a playmaking WR and now had to take a large character risk guy who was off lots of people's boards.

To argue Parsons would be available at 20 is just strange.
3 LB went off board from 12 to 19.
Most NFL teams had 13-14 R1 grades in this draft class.
It was discussed how few teams were willing to trade back farther than mid 1st because of that.

The Jones' do plenty of stupid things but they won this trade by quite a lot and trading down to 20 would have been criminally bad given how hit//miss the results have been dropping outside the top half of R1.

 

[Rockport]

Allowing them to move up and guarantee a WR they’ve been missing on for years.

Dude, the Cowboys weren't going to pick the WR so again, how did they give the Eagles a key piece?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

First your defense of picking parsons is an opinion. Every pick is a gamble..... having more picks helps your average...

Im sorry yes maybe Jimmy’s amazing chart shows we “won” the trade. But giving your division rival a key piece to what their missing for a middle of the round 3rd round pick? Wow...

I'd have liked the trade down with the Bears IF they offered it and IF we could get a worthy player there. However, I'm not so sure Chicago offered it. Either way, Smith was going to a division rival. It was nice to get basically a free third round pick out of it and arguably the best defencive player in the draft in the process. Additionally, Michael Irvin certainly looked excited. Our players seemed happy. So, I'm happy with it. We needed LB, and we got the best one imo. I'll take that.

 

[eromeopolk]

No they wouldn't. Why do people believe this? Can you point to a single example? Besides which, the Eagles did overpay in this trade. Also, Smith goes to a division rival whether you make the trade or not, so why in the world would you not make the trade?
How in the world do you propose to do that? You're not moving up to 21 or higher to get Farley without giving your second-rounder. This is all nonsense.

You questions were asked and answered. Please read.

You EVP stated he tried to trade up as high as no. 6 in the top 10. Face the fact that they paniced when the saw the CBs drafted and did not do their due diligence on the phone like John Wooten did in 1991 when the LBs got drafted and Wooten call every one and traded up for Emmitt Smith.

You are what you are.

 

[jterrell]

Allowing them to move up and guarantee a WR they’ve been missing on for years.

He was going in the division regardless.
DAL benefited at exactly zero net loss.
They took the guy they'd have taken 10 anyway and picked up a free R3.
PHI just bailed DAL out by being desperate.

PHI wasn't missing Smith, they had the same guy in DeSean Jackson.
PHI is missing a QB and tons of other pieces.
A 1770 pound WR isn't exactly the scariest option to me.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Smith was going to the Eagles or Giants regardless of what we did. What about this do people not understand?

Exactly! So why not get a free third round pick out of it? Including the Parsons pick, we have 5 picks in the top 100 because of the trade. That's a good thing!! We have ammo to trade up if needed, and we have plenty of picks to rebuild other key areas. Besides, imo, the best CB in the draft wasn't taken in the first round imo. Give me Grant (or Moehrig if he some how falls to us), Adebo (CB Stanford - best CB in the draft), Shelvin, and Smith from UAB with our next picks. If our FO does something like that, our defence will have fixed a LOT of major holes.

 

[JD_KaPow]

You questions were asked and answered. Please read.

You EVP stated he tried to trade up as high as no. 6 in the top 10. Face the fact that they paniced when the saw the CBs drafted and did not do their due diligence on the phone like John Wooten did in 1991 when the LBs got drafted and Wooten call every one and traded up for Emmitt Smith.

You are what you are.

Your entire post was nonsense; nothing was "answered" except maybe in some fantasy world you live in.

If you can explain how they parley their existing picks into Parsons, Farley AND a 2nd-rounder, please do so. But you can't.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jerry needs to burn his outdated trade chart...should have got the better Eagles 3rd.

Hard for me to ever like a trade with a rival team, especially Philly, no matter what. I don't know, a third is a third and in this draft, a lot of really good players in the 2nd through 4th round. But the strength of this draft is really the 2nd round IMO. I think the Cowboys probably could have gotten more, a 2nd or maybe another pick, out of Philly. The Eagles have a lot of picks this year so I think maybe the opportunity was there to get more but who knows?

Here's the thing, at least for me, this trade is a good one if the Cowboys can land a starter with that pick later on. If they can do that, then it's a good trade. If they can't, it's a really bad one, not because it's Parsons at 12 but because you gave a Division team air with that pick. Philly has Ertz and Reagor now. Those are two pretty good weapons. Now you allow them to move up and take a guy who can really hurt you, all over the field and that gives them three tough covers. You just gave a young QB enough talent to have a pretty good year and that's going to be a problem for you for the foreseeable future. You can't really look at that and call it a good trade if it works out that way.