Jerry does listen to fans

Alexander

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Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't Jerry listening to fans. It 's Jerry listening to the WRONG fans.

He does not listen to fans. He just thinks like one which is worse.

He is basically like the fan who believes in hoping for the best the majority of the time and gets emotionally invested in the players.

That optimism and inability to separate himself from the emotional investment is what makes him absolutely terrible as a GM.
 

wileedog

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

Or maybe those three guys just succeeded on teams with real GMs.

Plus Wade wasn't fired as DC, he was fired as the HC, which you will notice Houston had no interest in retaining him in that position.
 

starfrombirth

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Let me see if I can wrap my brain around what you're saying.

According to you, the Cowboys are mediocre due primarily to Jones' penchant for doing what the fans want (since, obviously, fans are completely monolithic in their opinions), and to rectify the situation, fans should cease all criticism of Jerry Jones?

Is that right?

No. Basically what I'm saying is that maybe we fans don't know as much as we think. How many posters here screamed about getting rid of the mentioned people and Jerry did only for them to go on and succeed IMMEDIATELY. Maybe those coaches weren't the issue after all.
 

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Those that are wrong love to lump everyone in with them. I didn't like firing Rob Ryan the day it happened. I'm not surprised he has had more success working for a sane owner in an environment conducive for coaches to have success. Doesn't surprise me one bit. Don't forget their head coach also sucked here and needed to go.

The best thing that could happen to Jason Garrett is to get the heck out of Dallas and start over where a coach has a chance.

Absofreakinglutely right, never get off the boat.
 

Dodger12

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

I think you need to rethink what you're posting a bit. Zimmer stayed during BP's tenure and wasn't let go until Wade was hired. You can't talk about Zimmer with regards to what he's currently doing and say that his time here was a smashing success. Maybe it was talent, maybe it was scheme and maybe it was a combination of both but it was time for Zimmer to go. But you also forget Zimmer went to Atlanta in 2007 and they went 4 and 12. In 2008 he went to the Bengals and they went 4 -11 -1. In 2010 the Bengals went 4 and 12. In 2011 they went 9 and 7 with Dalton as a rookie QB and they've been in contention ever since. I don't think you can lay the credit at the feet of Zimmer for any turn around in Cincy when you have a defensive HC in Marvin Lewis with a history of good defenses and you draft a franchise QB.

Wade just got fired from Houston. In any event, no one is going to claim Wade is not a good DC. Matter of fact, most fans would probably tell you he's a much better DC than HC. For your theory to be correct, Wade needed to go to another team and be a successful HC but that won't happen because Wade won't sniff another HC job again. Wade was an utter failure here. Yes, we won a playoff game during his tenure but the foundation that was established here quickly eroded and a team that should have stayed in contention quickly fell apart.

And who knows what happened here with Rob Ryan. While his D may have had some question marks, it was his first year and I don't think a whole of fans were screaming for him to get fired. That one came out of left field and is a head scratcher.

But why don't you mention Campo or Switzer? These two guys should have never been hired as HC and haven't sniffed a head coaching job after leaving Dallas. Those hires were universally panned and the fans were right. And was Chan Gaily really the right guy for the job? Was he the best we could find at that time?

No one forced Jerry's hand to fire anyone. Jerry doesn't listen to the fans. If that was the case, Garrett would be long gone. If that was the case, the Poodle woould never have stepped foot back at Valley Ranch. If that was the case, Lacewell would not be allowed back in the state of Texas and Jerry's cell phone would block all incoming calls from the man. But the fans don't need a HC that they have a comfort zone with. The fans don't need a yes man HC to communicate with. The fans don't need an "adviser" with a horrendous track record. Jerry does. If Jerry listened to us know-it-all fans, he'd bring in a quality HC and quality GM to run the team and step aside. He never listened to us fans to begin with.........
 

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Absofreakinglutely right, never get off the boat.

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Unless you're goin' all the way...
 

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No. Basically what I'm saying is that maybe we fans don't know as much as we think. How many posters here screamed about getting rid of the mentioned people and Jerry did only for them to go on and succeed IMMEDIATELY. Maybe those coaches weren't the issue after all.

The real issue is Jerry, not the fans. The real issue has always been Jerry, bad coaches or schemes are just symptoms of the bad GM/Jerry. If Jerry listened to fans he'd step down as GM. The franchise would be much better off .
 

cajuncocoa

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

Unfortunately, none of those people were the real problem. We also want a new owner and a new GM. Let me know when he lets himself go.
 

Next Years Champ

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

I think you are missing your best point..

these coaches performed better when they weren't tied to the Cowboys.

Not to their owner, overinflated expectations or underachieving stars.
 

Frozen700

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

I agree with Zimmer, and especially Ryan.

Wade was not HC material though.

I hope he listens to us though this time, and gets rid of Ware, Austin, JG, and Monte. Please Jerry. Listen to us, this last time.
 

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Coach Jones will get this figured out, he knows we're 'real close'. *Used car salesman wink*

And then son Stephen will pop the top on the secret sauce and we'll make everyone forget about the 85 Bears.
 

EPL0c0

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

Jerry doesn't own the Bengals, Texans or Saints.
 

kevm3

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Or maybe it's more like Wade is way better at DC than HC and we were right in letting him go. Many fans also KNEW Rob Ryan wasn't the problem last year. So fans know a lot more than they are getting credit for. The problem is Jason Garrett isn't NFL HC material and should still be an assistant or in college somewhere learning the game and Jerry Jones shouldn't be a GM/shadow head coach.
 

Beast_from_East

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If Jerry listens to the fans, why the hell is the red headed idiot still here?

Oh thats right, Jerry's pet monkey needs more training because 3.5 years is clearly not enough.
 

DWhite Fan

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The real problem is that "Owner Jerry" listens to "GM Jerry" and "HC Jerry"...
 

ConstantReboot

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

Never wanted Ryan gone. I wanted Garrett gone. If Jerry listens to the fans why is Garrett still coaching?
 

RonSpringsdaman20

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Think about it:
We let Zimmer go and the Bengals have been in contention every since
We let Wade go and the Texans are an immediate top 5 Defense
We let Ryan go and he took the worse defense in the league to a top 5 defense

Maybe, just maybe, we fans don't know as much as we think we do and should let the people who do it for a living do it. That does include Jerry and STOP listening to us know-it-alls.

jerry doesn't listen to anyone, he makes bad decisions all on his own.
 

funkytown

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If Jerry listened to the fans he would hear that not 1 football fan in this world believes he should be the GM of Dallas Cowboys. No one believes this team is better off with him as GM, except Jerry and his kids.
 
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