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[Malhavoc]

I don’t think Barmore is a top 10 talent but the comparison to Jaylon Smith is ridiculous. He’s inconsistent and he does have to do a better job in defending the run. With that said that dude was terrific down the stretch and the best defensive player on the field against Notre Dame and Ohio State.

 

[817Gill]

I love McNeil...think he's arguably the best DT in the draft and he's one of my top round 2 targets.

My problem with this class is it's a bunch of penetrating 3T types where I"m not sure if they can anchor. We already have an up and coming 3T in Gallimore so I'd love to try and get a better run D player that can help balance that out.

I think 3rd round is the sweet spot as I don't really like a lot of these dudes enough for the 2nd. Wilson, Togiai & Brown seem like good options.

Yes 1T over 3T please. I won’t be mad if we go into next season with Gallimore and Hill as our main pass rush 3T’s. No rookie in this class is going to come in day 1 and do much better, DT is a hard transition.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I don’t think Barmore is a top 10 talent but the comparison to Jaylon Smith is ridiculous. He’s inconsistent and he does have to do a better job in defending the run. With that said that dude was terrific down the stretch and the best defensive player on the field against Notre Dame and Ohio State.

Why so? The comment was made about Barmore not able to locate the ball in rushing plays..... which happens to be Jaylon's no.1 failing.

 

[rambo2]

A draft that somehow netted Jaelan Phillips, Richie Grant, Levi Onwuzurike or Alim McNeill, Kelvin Joseph or Elilah Molden, and Kenneth Gainwell would be awesome. It would take some trading around to come up with that.

 

[StarBoyz83]

For sure need dts. Need 3 new starting lbers also after that.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If you're asking me if I'd rather have one of the best 3-5 players in the draft in Pitts over one of the top 32 players in the draft in Barmore than the answer is yes.

I'm not going to try and explain it bc if that isn't enough for you I"d rather just drop it now.

Im a big Barmore supporter. However Barmore is still an incomplete at this point. He really could become a dominant DT IF his run defense develops. But what you said about the possibility he could be a guy that is equally bad against the pass as he is against the run is also very true.

Now I feel he is an ascending talent at 20 years old, who played his best ball on the biggest stage. However he is a guy Im taking outside the top 15. Not at 1p

 

[Blitzen]

His stiff middle will keep him from being more than a fireplug. Don't like.

It's just like this org to ignore agility.

He's plenty agile against the run. Saw several plays where he has to disengage his blocker to head sideways hauling azz in pursuit. Plenty of strength to pop his blocker back and make a quick tackle. He's a NT not a 3T pass rush run stopping freak. Dallas needs both.

If Dallas takes him, it will be in the 3rd round or later. He can collapse the pocket some, but yeah probably more of a rotational guy.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Im a big Barmore supporter. However Barmore is still an incomplete at this point. He really could become a dominant DT IF his run defense develops. But what you said about the possibility he could be a guy that is equally bad against the pass as he is against the run is also very true.

Now I feel he is an ascending talent at 20 years old, who played his best ball on the biggest stage. However he is a guy Im taking outside the top 15. Not at 1p

For me the question of Barmore needs to be started with, "are we happy with Gallimore?" and if so does Barimore and Gallimore have a future together as this doesnt seem to be a recipe of success and can see teams walking through us on 1st and 2nd downs leaving us exposed on 3rd downs.

We need to build complimentary systems rather than picking individual BPA's. It's one of our failings in drafting....pick flashy instead of someone who best fits the game we want to play.

 

[kskboys]

For me the question of Barmore needs to be started with, "are we happy with Gallimore?" and if so does Barimore and Gallimore have a future together as this doesnt seem to be a recipe of success and can see teams walking through us on 1st and 2nd downs leaving us exposed on 3rd downs.

We need to build complimentary systems rather than picking individual BPA's. It's one of our failings in drafting....pick flashy instead of someone who best fits the game we want to play.

Pairing two 3 techs at DT doesn't generally work.

 

[Flamma]

Listen up. This draft has nice DT talent in rounds 2 and 3. However, they will be flying off the boards starting in mid to late round 1. You once again have an opportunity to fix the middle of the DLine. Which is the next step at this point toward super bowl contention. Please please please don't waste this chance again to fix this problem that has been haunting us for years. No lanky guys or guys w/ stiff hips.

I know DT's are hard to draft, I get it. However, that's the missing piece. Along w/ S, of course.

Guys you should be aiming for in round 2: Tyler Shelvin, Alim McNeil, Bobby Brown at NT and Darius Stills at the 3.

Dallas can get any one of them in the 3rd round. Possibly 4th.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Pairing two 3 techs at DT doesn't generally work.

Exactly, all athleticism in the world wont work without strength and mass. A NT type to manipulate C or OT's, lock down the gap and manipulate the run by dictating the direction.

Having smaller 3 tech types (or players already retired on the beach.....yes Poe I mean you) is great for highlight reels, but we have to stop the run to reduce the options on 3rd down. At the moment losing 5/6 years every 1st down is giving QB an armchair ride on later downs.

I realize i'm preaching to the converted on this one.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Im a big Barmore supporter. However Barmore is still an incomplete at this point. He really could become a dominant DT IF his run defense develops. But what you said about the possibility he could be a guy that is equally bad against the pass as he is against the run is also very true.

Now I feel he is an ascending talent at 20 years old, who played his best ball on the biggest stage. However he is a guy Im taking outside the top 15. Not at 1p

Good balanced post.

For me we need to get some consistency in our drafting. Last year we picked Gallimore. So the starting position is after seeing him in the NFL, Is he the future? If so what IDL best suits his talents. He already provides "great athleticism and constant pressure....BUT he's "poor against bigger blockers".

Looking at @America's Cowboy youtube vid Barmore and Gallimore just dont look suited, Gallimore would need someone who commits more of the O-Line.

Unless we see Barmore as Gallimore's replacement (as he's seen as an upgrade), if that's so we wasted last years pick on Gallimore.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Agreed. The film doesn't lie. Christian Barmore is exactly what we need...



He was a beast during the college playoffs.

If only the film complimented what the analyst was saying. Barmore was hardly ever double teamed and there was only 1 play where he faced Wyatt Davis.

 

[kskboys]

Dallas can get any one of them in the 3rd round. Possibly 4th.

That is not a fact. We have lost out on a ton of good players w/ this type of thinking.

 

[Flamma]

That is not a fact. We have lost out on a ton of good players w/ this type of thinking.

Ok, but you'd be reaching. Out of the 4 players mentioned I have one an early 3rd rounder. Another was a late 3rd rounder, and the other two I don't see in the first 3 rounds. You want to pick one of them at 44?

 

[Hardline]

Agreed. The film doesn't lie. Christian Barmore is exactly what we need...



He was a beast during the college playoffs.

If you are basing your opinion on YouTube cherry picked highlights you're doing it wrong.
You have to go by full game tape.

 

[kskboys]

Ok, but you'd be reaching. Out of the 4 players mentioned I have one an early 3rd rounder. Another was a late 3rd rounder, and the other two I don't see in the first 3 rounds. You want to pick one of them at 44?

Maybe, but our need there is desperate. Unfortunately, we don't know it.

Tonga would be a great 2nd round pick. He would transform our D.

 

[Flamma]

Maybe, but our need there is desperate. Unfortunately, we don't know it.

Tonga would be a great 2nd round pick. He would transform our D.

I don't see him on the board in the first 3 rounds. He could be the greatest thing since toilet paper was invented, you don't take a guy early in the 2nd if he'll be there in the 4th. Or 3rd.

 

[ChuckA1]

This seems so darn simple to understand. And I realize I'm no general manager or talent evaluator, but geez! Again, this seems so simple.

 

[kskboys]

I don't see him on the board in the first 3 rounds. He could be the greatest thing since toilet paper was invented, you don't take a guy early in the 2nd if he'll be there in the 4th. Or 3rd.

If you have him down as a good player, dammmm right you do. This value thing is a fan thing, not a draft strategy.