Jerry is probably drinking heavily right now...

[zack]

That was the Dallas defense of 2003 playing tonight. How many times did they bring the heat! It was great. I wish the Dallas defense was that aggressive...

 

[ddh33]

And every one here knew it all along, right?

 

[DipChit]

If Jerry's crying about anything it's prolly the fact that over the last number of years he hasnt gotten a QB that truly given him a chance.

From a druggy, to 2 over the hill has beens (or never weres depending on your POV) to finally turning it over to a udfa "rookie" well into a season.

 

[TNCowboy]

And every one here knew it all along, right?

It's not our job to know it. Even if the opinions on SP are hindsight, that makes them no less valid.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Jerry is probably drinking heavily right now...



Na he's prolly doin' crack cocaine.

 

[Bleu Star]

watching and Thinking how he let the guy who should've been the next HC get away. Quick, fire Parcells before another good young candidate gets away!

Yep. Jerry is downing them quickly right now. Hopefully he makes it through the night.

 

[Cbz40]

It's not our job to know it. Even if the opinions on SP are hindsight, that makes them no less valid.

I agree...Everyones opinion is important..whether I agree with it ot not.

 

[vicjagger]

so which is it?

coaching? (Payton)

or

players? (Brees, Bush, Colston, etc)

or

both?

From 3-13 one year (w/ 1 "home" game 1300 miles away) to the NFC Championship game the next. Amazing turnaround.

Props to the coaching staff!

 

[Faerluna]

I'd love to see the new coaching staff with last year's Saints team. That might be a more accurate picture of how amazing they are as coaches.

I'd wager that their record wouldn't be what it is this season. Their quality players are helping to create the buzz, not some "soopur seekrit" coaching skills that were somehow squelched last year.

 

[Bleu Star]

I'd love to see the new coaching staff with last year's Saints team. That might be a more accurate picture of how amazing they are as coaches.

I'd wager that their record wouldn't be what it is this season. Their quality players are helping to create the buzz, not some "soopur seekrit" coaching skills that were somehow squelched last year.

Do we not have quality players? Do we not believe our team can be "coached up"? After 4 years of the Tuna's player selection and coaching in Big D are we talking mediocre players? It has been 4 years of the same ol same ol. How many years should it take to get over the hump?

 

[iceberg]

NO one thought that Payton would be THIS good.

gotta agree - i'm happy for him but all the "how dare we!?!?!?!" talk is all hindsight being 20/20. while here he was viewed as a puppet to parcells and a giants reject.

but it's coaches like peyton that give me hope when people say "give me names!!!" on new coaches you can point to young success as something we need - not past glory.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Give him credit. Hes the one who drafted gems like Marques Colston and Jahri Evans.

and its not like Drew Brees was some passing monster before he came to NO. He was coming of an injured shoulder and he was a decent starter,

Maybe Paytons excellent offensive schemes glorified Drew Brees. He was never this good in his 5 years with San Diego.

Uh, Brees was a pro-bowler.

Marques Colston was a 7th rounder - a lot of teams passed over him.

And it was Parcells who told him to go after Brees after he rejected Payton's attempts at trying to pry Romo away from the team.

 

[zack]

Yeah the Saints were a good team before Katrina right?

 

[superpunk]

but it's coaches like peyton that give me hope when people say "give me names!!!" on new coaches you can point to young success as something we need - not past glory.

Todd freaking Bowles, BABY!!!!

 

[iceberg]

Todd freaking Bowles, BABY!!!!

you just wanna make me cry, sp...

 

[superpunk]

you just wanna make me cry, sp...

Why can't Todd Bowles be a young success? Why can't Todd Haley? That's what you want, or that's what you say - why do you seem so opposed to promoting these young guys and having them move up in our organization?

People hated the idea of the coach of our worst unit having a larger hand in our offense this year. They hated washed-up Chris Palmer coming from the Texans. Sparano and palmer were passed off as puppets, who Parcells wouldn't listen to - instead running his same conservative offense no matter what.

That was all crap. ALL of it.

I'm confident that next year I'm gonna be saying the same thing about the; "It doesn't matter who the coordinator is, Parcells is a dictator who doesn't listen to anybody", "promote Bowles? Our secondary was awful!" etc. This is providing Parcells comes back and they actually get promoted. I'm excited for more hands and more ideas getting put on the field. I was thrilled with what it did for our offense, I think it will be the same on defense.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I was thinking the same thing last night... What is Jerry thinking as he sees what the Saints are doing?

And it's not even the Saints' offense -- they do have pretty good talent there and a very good quarterback. It's what Gary Gibbs did with that chicken spit on defense that had to drive Jerry nuts. I know it did me.

 

[iceberg]

Why can't Todd Bowles be a young success? Why can't Todd Haley? That's what you want, or that's what you say - why do you seem so opposed to promoting these young guys and having them move up in our organization?

People hated the idea of the coach of our worst unit having a larger hand in our offense this year. They hated washed-up Chris Palmer coming from the Texans. Sparano and palmer were passed off as puppets, who Parcells wouldn't listen to - instead running his same conservative offense no matter what.

That was all crap. ALL of it.

I'm confident that next year I'm gonna be saying the same thing about the; "It doesn't matter who the coordinator is, Parcells is a dictator who doesn't listen to anybody", "promote Bowles? Our secondary was awful!" etc. This is providing Parcells comes back and they actually get promoted. I'm excited for more hands and more ideas getting put on the field. I was thrilled with what it did for our offense, I think it will be the same on defense.

from a strict "why not"? point, you're right. we've seen a parcells student do well in NO so maybe bowels can succeed as well. i mean, he's our secondary coach and he's shown there he can get the job done, right?

i want a bit more on the success side of the resume.

for grins, compare bowels to the ravens ryan and let's see how they stack up to you.

 

[superpunk]

from a strict "why not"? point, you're right. we've seen a parcells student do well in NO so maybe bowels can succeed as well. i mean, he's our secondary coach and he's shown there he can get the job done, right?

i want a bit more on the success side of the resume.

What happened to not needing "name" coaches?

for grins, compare bowels to the ravens ryan and let's see how they stack up to you.

Using what criteria? how they performed under Mike Zimmer? There's no way to compare them. Bill produces good coaches, and he doesn't do it by stifling them, no matter how much that is thumped out there. I'm ready for young Bowles to get a shot - instead of yearning for a DC to come in who is used to working with a completely different kind of personnel. A guy in house familiar is my preference.

 

[iceberg]

What happened to not needing "name" coaches?

did i miss where the ryan kids were "name" coaches that would answer the "well who is better????" questions? since they just started getting some "airtime" this year that i know of, they're still a no-name coach.

Using what criteria? how they performed under Mike Zimmer? There's no way to compare them. Bill produces good coaches, and he doesn't do it by stifling them, no matter how much that is thumped out there. I'm ready for young Bowles to get a shot - instead of yearning for a DC to come in who is used to working with a completely different kind of personnel. A guy in house familiar is my preference.

great - hire a familiar coach. i'd rather hire a successful one.