Jerry Jones as GM over the last 12 years

Maikeru-sama

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I was listening to Dale Hansen while coming home from working out.

He made statement that was kind of interesting. He stated that no GM in the league would still have a job if the team they presided over hadn't won a playoff game in 12 Seasons.

I think it is a little unfair, but that is an interesting point.

Discuss?
 

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Not to state the obvious, but the main difference is that in our case, the GM owns the team. Not to mention he has a huge locus of control.

But true, he has had his moments the past couple of years. If he were soley the GM, he would have been given the axe many moons ago...
 

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Well, he is the owner and can do what he wants I guess. That is the glory of being the owner and naming yourself the GM.
 

Maikeru-sama

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Yes, we know he is the Owner, that was not what he was saying.

He is taking a look at Jerry Jones soley as a GM.

Basically he is saying would Jerry Jones have a job if he was just a GM.
 

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I'm sorry but hes built a fine roster.

We have a TON of people out with injuries.
 

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Resume 19 years GM

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Maikeru-sama;2360861 said:
I was listening to Dale Hansen while coming home from working out.

He made statement that was kind of interesting. He stated that no GM in the league would still have a job if the team they presided over hadn't won a playoff game in 12 Seasons.

I think it is a little unfair, but that is an interesting point.

Discuss?


I stated the same thing last night in one of my arguments. He must read this site.
 

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In a way, he is correct, thank you Mr. Hansen for that astute observation. But he leaves out the most important fact, which is Jerry is also owner, President and General Manager of the Cowboys. So any reasons, justified or not, do not apply. So getting back to the facts-----

Jerry lives by the Golden Rule. "He who has the gold, rules."
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but the two great rosters were built under the guidance of Jimmy J and the Tuna, right? All the other moves made we pretty shady for the most part imo.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2360861 said:
I was listening to Dale Hansen while coming home from working out.

He made statement that was kind of interesting. He stated that no GM in the league would still have a job if the team they presided over hadn't won a playoff game in 12 Seasons.

I think it is a little unfair, but that is an interesting point.

Discuss?


Oh Boy Maikeru, now you did it.....GM Jerry appologists to the rescue in 5.....4.....3.....2......1:popcorn:
 

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smoovb;2360900 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but the two great rosters were built under the guidance of Jimmy J and the Tuna, right? All the other moves made we pretty shady for the most part imo.

Jerry's '07 and '08 drafts were very good. OTOH, Bill's '06 and '04 drafts were pretty rotten.

So at least give some credit to Jerry where it's due, and don't give too much credit to Bill when he was here.
 

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I am sorry, but the only constant since our last super bowl is Jerry Jones. Look in the mirror.
 

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If you look at what he's done since Jimmy left, the things you grade a GM on are acquiring good talent and hiring good coaches. He clearly hired bad coaches in Switzer, Gailey and Campo. Those were poor decisions. The draft for the most part was run poorly from 1994-2001.

Since then though he hired Bill Parcells as HC and gave him total control while he was here. Now Parcells the coach wasnt as productive as we wanted in terms of wins, but he did help change the atmosphere, he did restructure the scouting dept and did help us get alot of good players. He then interviewed a ton of potential replacements, but made the call to hire the guy who had the best resume in terms of getting the most out of 3-4 defenses in hopes of making our ordinary defense very good, if not dominant. Who could honestly say they didnt think that at the LEAST Wade would make the defense BETTER, and hence improve our team that way? Put aside the bias against his previous HC stints and answer that question. I doubt very many can honestly say they thought Wade's defense, with the players we have would suck like it has this year.

While its too early to grade the two post-Parcells drafts, early indications are we did very well. Thats a plus.

And for the most part Jerry has done very well with free agency. We havent signed very many out and out busts and have actually found alot of good value in free agency over the years. Rarely have we signed a free agent and after a few seasons thought we vastly overpaid the guy.

Despite what most think, I do believe Jerry basically "gets it" when it comes to his role in Dallas, and he is not the out and out failure that the media and alot of fans want to paint him as. His #1 job as GM is to assemble a talented roster, and he has clearly done that. He cant play for the guys. He doesnt make the game plans or call the plays.

I think Wade's gone after the season regardless of how we finish. Jimmy was the most critical hire he ever made, Parcells was also a very critical hire at that time. This next hire will be the deciding factor in whether we are a championship contender for years to come or float around in mediocrity for the next few yrs, while all the talent in their primes rots away. If he gets the next hire right, all will be well.
 

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Dodger12;2360905 said:
Oh Boy Maikeru, now you did it.....GM Jerry appologists to the rescue in 5.....4.....3.....2......1:popcorn:

It's funny how they always credit him with the 90's Super Bowls even though Jimmy controlled the draft room.
 

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Boysboy;2360921 said:
Jerry's '07 and '08 drafts were very good. OTOH, Bill's '06 and '04 drafts were pretty rotten.

So at least give some credit to Jerry where it's due, and don't give too much credit to Bill when he was here.

Tell me why the 2007 draft has been so good. There has only been one productive player selected and he was the kicker. You would have hoped for a bit more 1.5 years after a draft.

It may end up being a good draft if Spencer can stay healthy, Free can be the LT of the future, Stanback develops into a #2 WR, D. Anderson plays better and we get something out of Ball/Brown.

Right now I am underwhelmed.

The point stands that Jerry is a bad GM who gets too attached to players and is more interested in PR than winning (even though he does want to win, he wants PR more).
 

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His draft have been better over the last 5-6 years, its just the constant circus and distractions he causes. Like the whole Romo deal of will he or won't he, most teams try to keep that quiet, Pac Man I mean was there a need for a 45 minute Jerry presser? Hard Knocks. Its more important about getting the brand out there than actual football.

Most if not all GMs in this league dedicate 100% of their time to player acquistion. Jerry spends god knows how much time on the new stadium, some concession partnership with the Yankees, league owner meetings, advertisements, marketing.

Of course he won't step down or hire a GM, but the facts are 12 years of failure and no GM would still have thier job. Its indisputable.
 

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Eskimo said:
The point stands that Jerry is a bad GM who gets too attached to players and is more interested in PR than winning (even though he does want to win, he wants PR more).

Agreed.

parcells316;2360957 said:
His draft have been better over the last 5-6 years, its just the constant circus and distractions he causes. Like the whole Romo deal of will he or won't he, most teams try to keep that quiet, Pac Man I mean was there a need for a 45 minute Jerry presser? Hard Knocks. Its more important about getting the brand out there than actual football.

Most if not all GMs in this league dedicate 100% of their time to player acquistion. Jerry spends god knows how much time on the new stadium, some concession partnership with the Yankees, league owner meetings, advertisements, marketing.

Of course he won't step down or hire a GM, but the facts are 12 years of failure and no GM would still have thier job. Its indisputable.

Good post.
 

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zrinkill;2360894 said:
Resume 19 years GM

3 Superbowl Championships
3 NFC Championships
7 NFC East Championships
11 winning seasons
11 playoff seasons


Thats a lopsided resume... most of the good stuff happened pre 1997.
Also Jimmy was a partner in those accomplishements.
 
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