Jerry Jones as GM over the last 12 years

[utrunner07]

I'm sorry but hes built a fine roster.

Laddies and Gentlemen, A ROSTER OF A LIST PLAYERS MEANS NOTHING IF THEY CANT PLAY AS A TEAM....YES WE HAVE 13 PRO-BOWLERS HAND US THE TROPHY NOW!!!


And your wonderful Roster builder sure did a heck of a job assembly this coaching staff hu?

 

[MaineBoy]

Resume 19 years GM

3 Superbowl Championships
3 NFC Championships
7 NFC East Championships
11 winning seasons
11 playoff seasons

EXACTLY....lets subtract Jimmy's 3 Superbowl/NFC Championships/etc... and you are left with: 0 Superbowls, O-NFC Championships, etc...

 

[zrinkill]

Thats a lopsided resume... most of the good stuff happened pre 1997.
Also Jimmy was a partner in those accomplishements.

Resume 19 years GM

3 Superbowl Championships
3 NFC Championships
7 NFC East Championships
11 winning seasons
11 playoff seasons

EXACTLY....lets subtract Jimmy's 3 Superbowl/NFC Championships/etc... and you are left with: 0 Superbowls, O-NFC Championships, etc...

Thats fine ..... as long as you subtract all of Jimmy's accomplishments when he did not have a GM like Jerry.

Or is that unfair?

 

[smoovb]

Jerry's '07 and '08 drafts were very good. OTOH, Bill's '06 and '04 drafts were pretty rotten.

So at least give some credit to Jerry where it's due, and don't give too much credit to Bill when he was here.

Sorry, but the Tuna drafted some pretty good players (and some busts). However, ol' Jerry seems to have learned a thang or four in the past few years. Here's what we got in the past several years (in order by round)...

2004
Julius Jones
Jacob Rogers
Stephen Peterman
Bruce Thornton
Sean Ryan
Nathan Jones
Patrick Crayton
Jacques Reeves

2005
Demarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Kevin Burnett
Marion Barber
Chris Canty
Justin Berlault
Rob Petitti
Jay Ratliff

2006
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Fasano
Jason Hatcher
Skyler Green
Pat Watkins
Montavious Stanley
Paul McQuistan
E.J. Whitley

2007
Anthony Spencer
James Marten
Isaiah Stanback
Doug Free
Nick Folk
Deon Anderson
Courtney Brown
Alan Ball

2008
Felix Jones
Mike Jenkins
Martellus Bennett
Tashard Choice
Orlando Scandrick
Erik Walden

 

[Dodger12]

It's funny how they always credit him with the 90's Super Bowls even though Jimmy controlled the draft room.

You know Bach, I've tried to stay out of these long winded debates on Jerry vs Jimmy and/or the Jerry the GM threads. Been there and done that but it gets us nowhere. But I saw something interesting posted here the other day that no one picked up on or refused to comment on. Misstatement on Jimmy's part, misprint or truth?

THIS WEEK'S FOX NFL SUNDAY PANEL

Czar: "What did you think of the Cowboys trading for Detroit receiver Roy Williams?"

JJ: "I liked the trade for Dallas. They got a very good young player who is going to be productive for a long time. T.O. really hasn't played that well since Shawn Springs and the Commanders beat him up at the line of scrimmage. And it's a good trade for the Lions, too, if they pick right with the draft picks they received. But it's a bad trade for them if they pick like the Rams did with all those picks they got when they traded Eric Dickerson. Hey, the only reason why they rave about my Herschel Walker trade with the Cowboys is because we picked good players with those picks from Minnesota."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8685750/FOX-NFL-Sunday-Roundtable:-Week-7

 

[Boysboy]

Sorry, but the Tuna drafted some pretty good players (and some busts). However, ol' Jerry seems to have learned a thang or four in the past few years. Here's what we got in the past several years (in order by round)...

2004
Julius Jones
Jacob Rogers
Stephen Peterman
Bruce Thornton
Sean Ryan
Nathan Jones
Patrick Crayton
Jacques Reeves

2005
Demarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Kevin Burnett
Marion Barber
Chris Canty
Justin Berlault
Rob Petitti
Jay Ratliff

2006
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Fasano
Jason Hatcher
Skyler Green
Pat Watkins
Montavious Stanley
Paul McQuistan
E.J. Whitley

2007
Anthony Spencer
James Marten
Isaiah Stanback
Doug Free
Nick Folk
Deon Anderson
Courtney Brown
Alan Ball

2008
Felix Jones
Mike Jenkins
Martellus Bennett
Tashard Choice
Orlando Scandrick
Erik Walden

*sigh* Amazing how people need to learn how to read.

I was talking about Tuna's '04 and '06 drafts, like I said in my previous posts.

You read off the names off those drafts, and please tell me what's so GREAT about them?

BTW-we got some good players out of the '07 draft-and no, Spencer is NOT injury-prone, despite a tough year this year.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Thats fine ..... as long as you subtract all of Jimmy's accomplishments when he did not have a GM like Jerry.

Or is that unfair?

somewhat unfair.... Jimmy was handicapped with Hardheaded Marino.

 

[Bach]

You know Bach, I've tried to stay out of these long winded debates on Jerry vs Jimmy and/or the Jerry the GM threads. Been there and done that but it gets us nowhere. But I saw something interesting posted here the other day that no one picked up on or refused to comment on. Misstatement on Jimmy's part, misprint or truth?

Interesting. But he is definitely right about one thing. That trade wouldn't have mattered if we didn't select the right players. And the man selecting the players in the war room in those days was Jimmy. Anyone around then knows that. Anyone that reads any articles from that time would know that. Anyone that saw the live shots from the war room would know that. The only ones that dispute it are the blind apologists for Jerry.

 

[Boysboy]

Interesting. But he is definitely right about one thing. That trade wouldn't have mattered if we didn't select the right players. And the man selecting the players in the war room in those days was Jimmy. Anyone around then knows that. Anyone that reads any articles from that time would know that. Anyone that saw the live shots from the war room would know that. The only ones that dispute it are the blind apologists for Jerry.

We also had the benefit of the Herschel Walker trade, FWIW. It wasn't so much us, but Minny was HUGELY desperate to get that last piece of the puzzle, even if it meant them giving up 1/2 of its own pieces.

No-not defending Jerry in any way. Just saying that WITHOUT the stockpiles of picks from this trade...no Emmitt, no Darren, no 1/2 of our OL, no DL depth, no SBs...I can go on and on.

 

[peplaw06]

I really don't see why it matters....

I realize that nothing really matters when we're discussing these things on a message board. But we know that there's at least a possibility that Wade could be fired and someone else brought in... or that we might trade for Roy Williams... or that Pacman may be suspended and cut.

But we all know that Jerry is going to be owner/GM until he decides not to do it anymore or until he dies. No amount of Dale Hansen/Randy Galloway/Chris Berman, or anyone else, complaining about him being the GM and stating how he wouldn't have a job if he weren't the owner, is going to make Jerry hang em up. It's truly the one thing we know for certain... that Jerry is going to be the owner/GM as long as he wants to be.

It doesn't matter who you give credit to for the Super Bowls or the playoff wins or the draft classes. There's no accountability.

Is it fair? Probably not. But it's his money. He probably wouldn't think it would be fair for some other guy to spend his money.

 

[smoovb]

*sigh* Amazing how people need to learn how to read.

I was talking about Tuna's '04 and '06 drafts, like I said in my previous posts.

You read off the names off those drafts, and please tell me what's so GREAT about them?

BTW-we got some good players out of the '07 draft-and no, Spencer is NOT injury-prone, despite a tough year this year.

I read your post. And Im not sure why you left out 2005 since BP was part of that draft too. So what Julius Jones isnt part of the team anymore, but he still has a job as a starter in the league so thats decent. Patrick Crayton is still on the roster and is a pretty good 3rd receiver. We got a 4th rounder for Fasano. Pat Watkins is on the roster and has filled in nicely I think. Are they superstars - well technically none of the people on those lists from 04 to 08 arent. I would say the Jimmy J draft class would be best catagorized in that respect - but we all would right? Point is those, yes the 04 and 06 draft class lead us to where we are as a team today which is pretty good. There I said it.

 

[Boysboy]

I read your post. And Im not sure why you left out 2005 since BP was part of that draft too. So what Julius Jones isnt part of the team anymore, but he still has a job as a starter in the league so thats decent. Patrick Crayton is still on the roster and is a pretty good 3rd receiver. We got a 4th rounder for Fasano. Pat Watkins is on the roster and has filled in nicely I think. Are they superstars - well technically none of the people on those lists from 04 to 08 arent. I would say the Jimmy J draft class would be best catagorized in that respect - but we all would right? Point is those, yes the 04 and 06 draft class lead us to where we are as a team today which is pretty good. There I said it.

Now I gotcha! The more I think about it, you convinced me-Parcells' draft classes are much better than I thought.(and most of them are contributing presently)

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Jerry's '07 and '08 drafts were very good. OTOH, Bill's '06 and '04 drafts were pretty rotten.

So at least give some credit to Jerry where it's due, and don't give too much credit to Bill when he was here.

Are you related to Jones or owens? Hard to tell.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Resume 19 years GM

3 Superbowl Championships
3 NFC Championships
7 NFC East Championships
11 winning seasons
11 playoff seasons

:fact:

 

[Dave_in-NC]

:fact:

Hmmmm minus the team Jimmy built........

 

[Boysboy]

Are you related to Jones or owens? Hard to tell.

:laugh1:

 

[zrinkill]

Hmmmm minus the team Jimmy built........

What kinda team was Jimmy able to build without Jerry?

I will wait.

 

[utrunner07]

What kinda team was Jimmy able to build without Jerry?

I will wait.

Jerry provided the funds, Jimmy picked the players....

Jerry is a great owner and I love his willingness to spend the money and his devotion to the team...he is a bad GM.

 

[zrinkill]

Jerry provided the funds, Jimmy picked the players....

Jerry is a great owner and I love his willingness to spend the money and his devotion to the team...he is a bad GM.

Point is that the same guys who rag on Jerry give Jimmy all the credit for those teams ..... yet without Jerry, Jimmy was able to do nothing.

If you take away Jerry's accomplishments with Jimmy

You have to take away Jimmy's accomplishments with Jerry.

Its only fair.

 

[utrunner07]

Point is that the same guys who rag on Jerry give Jimmy all the credit for those teams ..... yet without Jerry, Jimmy was able to do nothing.

If you take away Jerry's accomplishments with Jimmy

You have to take away Jimmy's accomplishments with Jerry.

Its only fair.

I don't think anyone on here want Jerry to sell the team, I think everyone really appreciates what he does as the owner, but lots are sick of him as GM.