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superpunk;3203081 said:
I'm glad you were able to comprehend it, finally.

You always are. To think things never ever will change over the course of a decade.

I know you are quite accostomed to that yourself, I forgot about that aspect.

Therefore, next offseason Shanahan/Allen fired

Cerrato brought back in and Mike Leach is hired

See you there
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3203093 said:
You always are. To think things never ever will change over the course of a decade.

I know you are quite accostomed to that yourself, I forgot about that aspect.

Therefore, next offseason Shanahan/Allen fired

Cerrato brought back in and Mike Leach is hired

See you there

"This time, it will be different!"

It's the same old story.
 

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Jerry is the best owner in all of sports, he lives and breaths for this team, he spots talent like a hawk and would give up his entire wealth for a Super Bowl.


He is the best.
 

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garyv;3202885 said:
Just was reading and Skins Fans love the move by Snyder hiring Shanahan and think this moves the Skins right to the top of the NFC East !!!

They win the offseason championship every year. The problem comes when they actually have to play other teams . . .
 

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superpunk;3203094 said:
"This time, it will be different!"

It's the same old story.

I'll just call you superdense from now on :)

Again, you seem to fail to grasp the concept of Shotty firing Cerrato (without Snyder's input BTW as you incorrectly state) and Snyder himself firing the man.

But hey, you are correct, next year Cerrato comes back with Mike Leach. Book it!
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3203102 said:
I'll just call you superdense from now on :)

Again, you seem to fail to grasp the concept of Shotty firing Cerrato (without Snyder's input BTW as you incorrectly state) and Snyder himself firing the man.

But hey, you are correct, next year Cerrato comes back with Mike Leach. Book it!
And here I thought you had come around.

Keep trying to talk yourself into it being different this time. It's adorable. And don't worry, we'll be here when you're doing the exact same thing in a few years, when the Skins re-enter rebuilding mode (without having ever really left it). Maybe Cerrato will again be a part of it, re-hired again by Snyder (this appears to be the bit that is eluding your intellect), maybe he won't.

But you'll say the same thing. "This time, guys.....this time....it'll be different."
 

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Nice article from Skins fan/radio talk show host Steve Czaban. No Kool Aid for him.


Commanders Intervention

blog_redskins_support.jpg


Have you ever seen how they start meetings at addiction support groups?

“Hi, my name is Bob, and I am an alcoholic (drug user, porn addict, etc.).”

It’s that simple.

They don’t want to know where you work, what school you went to, how nice your car, house, wife might be. Because it doesn’t matter.

You are in that room, in that circle, because you have a problem. And the only thing that really matters, is you admitting that problem loud and clear, without any “ifs, ands, or buts.”

The Commanders need to pull up a chair in that circle and do the same.

“Hi, my name is the Washington Commanders, and I am a laughingstock.”

When the Shanahan Regime gets fully installed, there will be inevitable hope for immediate turnarounds, and another “quick fix” springtime of free agents and draft picks.

This will be fools gold, again.

The Commanders have been a mediocre franchise on their best days the last ten years under Dan Snyder, an abject joke the rest of them.

Turning things around – truly, “changing how we do business” as Bruce Allen said on Monday – will require the following three things…

1. Realism
2. Control
3. Focus

Let me elaborate.

Realism
This is perhaps the hardest part of the equation for both fans and Snyder. We suck. We are a joke. Look around us, who are our NFL neighbors? I’ll tell you who.

Head Coaches the Last 10 Years
1. Commanders (7)
2. Raiders (7)* once they fire Cable
3. Lions (7)
4. Falcons (6)
5. Dolphins (6)
6. Rams (6)

Scoring Average in 2000’s
32. Browns (16.0)
31. Lions (16.2)
30. Commanders (18.1)

Commanders Quarterbacks Since 2000 (10)
Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerrful, Tim Hasselback, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, Jason Campbell.

In the NFL, if you win 10 games, you’ve had a “nice” season. If you win 11, you’ve had a very good year. If you win 12, you have had a great year. If you win 13 games you have had a sensational year. If you win 14, 15 or 16, then you haven’t just had a phenomenal year, but you can say with relative conviction that you are an elite franchise, not just a good team that season.

The Commanders have won 10 games or more exactly ONCE since 1991.

The Commanders have won their division, exactly ONCE since 1991.

By comparison, the Eagles have won the NFC East 5 times in the last 10 years, the Patriots the AFC East 7 of the last 10, the Colts have won the AFC South 6 of the last 7.

As I say to my buddies: “Unless you win 12 games in this league, you ain’t ****.”

We’re not ****.

There’s one Pro Bowler on this current roster.

One.

So let’s stop saying “there’s enough talent here to win.”

Pro Bowl caliber salaries? Sure. All over the place. And that’s most of the problem.

Until we as Commanders fans – and more importantly, ownership, coaches and players – realize how ****ed up we are, we won’t have the ability to get better.

Realism: “Hi, my name is the Commanders, and I am a laughingstock.”

Control
This part is relatively simple. Who has the hammer on this team? It better be Shanahan. Because the days of going around coaches backs to the owner need to end. Now.

The days of the owner having lunch on a weekly basis with certain players? Over.

The days of the owner going to Las Vegas for a hi-roller party with the star running back? Over.

The days of injured linebackers watching the game from the owner’s box? Over.

There needs to be a clear and unbreakable chain of command, and it needs to be an Allen-Shanahan partnership. A mommy and a daddy.

I don’t want Shanahan giving Allen a grocery list of player needs and sending him out the door. I want true collaboration. I want some creative GM-Coach tension. I want some healthy fights about what players to keep, what players to draft.

I also don’t want Snyder flying around on his jet, having dinners with agents and players this off-season. Enough dinners already. Having dinner with a player doesn’t tell you **** about him. It just sets the wrong tone for the entire negotiation. We want you here as a player. We think you are worth this much. Are you interested?

No? Fine. Move on.

The wine and dine culture, then translates into the corrosive locker-room that helped sink this season.

Focus
This is the most under-rated quality of any successful person, or company.

Focus.

The ability to train your mind on a goal, and to keep relentlessly pursuing it until it is achieved. Not letting distractions, setbacks, or additional burdens slow your pursuit.

Focus.

Does this new Commanders brain trust have the focus to endure what will certainly be a transitional (read: no playoff) year in 2010? Do they have the focus to then press ahead with a growing year (maybe playoffs) in 2011? If all goes well, then maybe they could have a contending year in 2012.

Can this current regime, actually go through 3 non-playoff seasons, and not make any panic moves? Can they say: “Well, we went 5-11 in year 1. But we cleared out many bad apples and started restocking our talent. We went 7-9 and showed some promise in year 2. And in year 3 we went 9-7 but could have easily won 11 games except for a few bad breaks. Let’s not make any sharp moves. We’re doing fine, and with a little bit of help on the injury front next year, we think we’re gonna have a really good football team.”

Can they actually do this? Can we as fans be patient along the way?

Can we focus?

Remember, the “let’s win it all NEXT year!” philosophy has been the primary cause of this decade of misery. We’ve had a bad decade, on top of another bad decade before that!

These things don’t get turned around easily.

Realism, Control, and Focus.

It’s simple, but difficult. Like recovery, one day at a time.
 

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superpunk;3203106 said:
And here I thought you had come around.

Keep trying to talk yourself into it being different this time. It's adorable. And don't worry, we'll be here when you're doing the exact same thing in a few years, when the Skins re-enter rebuilding mode (without having ever really left it). Maybe Cerrato will again be a part of it, re-hired again by Snyder (this appears to be the bit that is eluding your intellect), maybe he won't.

But you'll say the same thing. "This time, guys.....this time....it'll be different."

Alright, I'll put a sig bet on it.

A year long sig bet.

Cerrato is NOT with the Washington Commanders 1 year from now.

I agree with that statement

You do not.

Willing to put up for that?

As far as "being different" I got no idea. The organization today is different then it was 1 month ago.

Will that mean more wins? No idea. Ask me that in 2012
 

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garyv;3202853 said:
Your Choice as an NFL Owner:

1) Jerry Jones
2) Daniel Snyder

Explain why you would choose the Owner you did. What makes them better than the other one.
In my best John McEnroe voice..."You cannot be serious!!!"
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3203110 said:
Alright, I'll put a sig bet on it.

A year long sig bet.

Cerrato is NOT with the Washington Commanders 1 year from now.

I agree with that statement

You do not.

Willing to put up for that?

As far as "being different" I got no idea. The organization today is different then it was 1 month ago.

Will that mean more wins? No idea. Ask me that in 2012

Hmmmm...

Maybe Cerrato will again be a part of it, re-hired again by Snyder (this appears to be the bit that is eluding your intellect), maybe he won't.

It's not about Cerrato. It's about you thinking anything is going to change with Danny running the show. He's re-hired Cerrato before, there's nothing to say he won't do it again. I don't think if he does, that it will be within a year, he'll give his new toys a little longer than that.

Like a person in an abusive relationship....THIS time, it'll be different. Sure it will, Skins fans....sure it will.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3202903 said:
Don't be stupid. None of us think we are now 1st in the NFCE or a Superbowl is coming next year.

Its simply a step in the right direction in re-building the entire organization. This will take a while...
Don't be stupid, go read ES.
 

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Daudr;3203101 said:
They win the offseason championship every year. The problem comes when they actually have to play other teams . . .

I disagree. Just because they spend the most money in the off season or pick up the biggest name that doesn't mean they won the off season championship in my opinion. That just means they made the most noise.
 

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bbgun;3203109 said:
Nice article from Skins fan/radio talk show host Steve Czaban. No Kool Aid for him.


Commanders Intervention

blog_redskins_support.jpg


Have you ever seen how they start meetings at addiction support groups?

“Hi, my name is Bob, and I am an alcoholic (drug user, porn addict, etc.).”

It’s that simple.

They don’t want to know where you work, what school you went to, how nice your car, house, wife might be. Because it doesn’t matter.

You are in that room, in that circle, because you have a problem. And the only thing that really matters, is you admitting that problem loud and clear, without any “ifs, ands, or buts.”

The Commanders need to pull up a chair in that circle and do the same.

“Hi, my name is the Washington Commanders, and I am a laughingstock.”

When the Shanahan Regime gets fully installed, there will be inevitable hope for immediate turnarounds, and another “quick fix” springtime of free agents and draft picks.

This will be fools gold, again.

The Commanders have been a mediocre franchise on their best days the last ten years under Dan Snyder, an abject joke the rest of them.

Turning things around – truly, “changing how we do business” as Bruce Allen said on Monday – will require the following three things…

1. Realism
2. Control
3. Focus

Let me elaborate.

Realism
This is perhaps the hardest part of the equation for both fans and Snyder. We suck. We are a joke. Look around us, who are our NFL neighbors? I’ll tell you who.

Head Coaches the Last 10 Years
1. Commanders (7)
2. Raiders (7)* once they fire Cable
3. Lions (7)
4. Falcons (6)
5. Dolphins (6)
6. Rams (6)

Scoring Average in 2000’s
32. Browns (16.0)
31. Lions (16.2)
30. Commanders (18.1)

Commanders Quarterbacks Since 2000 (10)
Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerrful, Tim Hasselback, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, Jason Campbell.

In the NFL, if you win 10 games, you’ve had a “nice” season. If you win 11, you’ve had a very good year. If you win 12, you have had a great year. If you win 13 games you have had a sensational year. If you win 14, 15 or 16, then you haven’t just had a phenomenal year, but you can say with relative conviction that you are an elite franchise, not just a good team that season.

The Commanders have won 10 games or more exactly ONCE since 1991.

The Commanders have won their division, exactly ONCE since 1991.

By comparison, the Eagles have won the NFC East 5 times in the last 10 years, the Patriots the AFC East 7 of the last 10, the Colts have won the AFC South 6 of the last 7.

As I say to my buddies: “Unless you win 12 games in this league, you ain’t ****.”

We’re not ****.

There’s one Pro Bowler on this current roster.

One.

So let’s stop saying “there’s enough talent here to win.”

Pro Bowl caliber salaries? Sure. All over the place. And that’s most of the problem.

Until we as Commanders fans – and more importantly, ownership, coaches and players – realize how ****ed up we are, we won’t have the ability to get better.

Realism: “Hi, my name is the Commanders, and I am a laughingstock.”

Control
This part is relatively simple. Who has the hammer on this team? It better be Shanahan. Because the days of going around coaches backs to the owner need to end. Now.

The days of the owner having lunch on a weekly basis with certain players? Over.

The days of the owner going to Las Vegas for a hi-roller party with the star running back? Over.

The days of injured linebackers watching the game from the owner’s box? Over.

There needs to be a clear and unbreakable chain of command, and it needs to be an Allen-Shanahan partnership. A mommy and a daddy.

I don’t want Shanahan giving Allen a grocery list of player needs and sending him out the door. I want true collaboration. I want some creative GM-Coach tension. I want some healthy fights about what players to keep, what players to draft.

I also don’t want Snyder flying around on his jet, having dinners with agents and players this off-season. Enough dinners already. Having dinner with a player doesn’t tell you **** about him. It just sets the wrong tone for the entire negotiation. We want you here as a player. We think you are worth this much. Are you interested?

No? Fine. Move on.

The wine and dine culture, then translates into the corrosive locker-room that helped sink this season.

Focus
This is the most under-rated quality of any successful person, or company.

Focus.

The ability to train your mind on a goal, and to keep relentlessly pursuing it until it is achieved. Not letting distractions, setbacks, or additional burdens slow your pursuit.

Focus.

Does this new Commanders brain trust have the focus to endure what will certainly be a transitional (read: no playoff) year in 2010? Do they have the focus to then press ahead with a growing year (maybe playoffs) in 2011? If all goes well, then maybe they could have a contending year in 2012.

Can this current regime, actually go through 3 non-playoff seasons, and not make any panic moves? Can they say: “Well, we went 5-11 in year 1. But we cleared out many bad apples and started restocking our talent. We went 7-9 and showed some promise in year 2. And in year 3 we went 9-7 but could have easily won 11 games except for a few bad breaks. Let’s not make any sharp moves. We’re doing fine, and with a little bit of help on the injury front next year, we think we’re gonna have a really good football team.”

Can they actually do this? Can we as fans be patient along the way?

Can we focus?

Remember, the “let’s win it all NEXT year!” philosophy has been the primary cause of this decade of misery. We’ve had a bad decade, on top of another bad decade before that!

These things don’t get turned around easily.

Realism, Control, and Focus.

It’s simple, but difficult. Like recovery, one day at a time.

:lmao: Where that skins fan at?
 

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superpunk;3203116 said:
Hmmmm...



It's not about Cerrato. It's about you thinking anything is going to change with Danny running the show. He's re-hired Cerrato before, there's nothing to say he won't do it again. I don't think if he does, that it will be within a year, he'll give his new toys a little longer than that.

Like a person in an abusive relationship....THIS time, it'll be different. Sure it will, Skins fans....sure it will.

Couldn't we look in the mirror between Jimmy and Bill? I miss the ole Commander games. I loved the rivalry, it just isn't that fun to watch any more. I hope Snyder does step back. I hope they become competitive again.
It's fun for the NFL East.

PS: I also want to continue to dominate them. That would mean our team is just always getting better.:)
 

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bbgun;3203109 said:
Nice article from Skins fan/radio talk show host Steve Czaban. No Kool Aid for him.


Commanders Intervention
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Wow, good, factual article. Did he get run out of town already?
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3203110 said:
Alright, I'll put a sig bet on it.

A year long sig bet.

Cerrato is NOT with the Washington Commanders 1 year from now.

I agree with that statement

You do not.

Willing to put up for that?

As far as "being different" I got no idea. The organization today is different then it was 1 month ago.

Will that mean more wins? No idea. Ask me that in 2012

Reading comprehension FTL. He never once said that Cerrato would be back next year, just that he will be back in the future, which is probably correct.
 

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Daudr;3203138 said:
Wow, good, factual article. Did he get run out of town already?

He had a famous confrontation with Mark Brunell a few years ago on some sort of Commanders wrapup show, so he's not afraid to call his own team out when need be.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3202962 said:
So long as Dan Snyder isn't trading 1st and 3rd picks for WRs, I am cool :)

I'll see your Roy Williams and raise you:

Deion Sanders
Dana Stubblefield
Duckett
Brandon Lloyd
Archuletta

Hell i'll even throw in a Randle El...
 

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gmb85;3202880 said:
Jerry is the best owner in all sports.

Everyone in Dallas is lucky to have the 2 best owners in sports - Jerry and Cuban
 

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superpunk;3203116 said:
It's not about Cerrato. It's about you thinking anything is going to change with Danny running the show. He's re-hired Cerrato before, there's nothing to say he won't do it again. I don't think if he does, that it will be within a year, he'll give his new toys a little longer than that.

Like a person in an abusive relationship....THIS time, it'll be different. Sure it will, Skins fans....sure it will.

Hmmm

Its exaclty about Cerrato here

Your quote

Superpunk said:
A decade from now, when Snyder is firing Cerrato again and trying to untangle his mess of an organization I'm sure you'll be saying the same thing.

So now its not? Please

Look, if you are too dense to see the organization itself has changed in the past month, well so be it.

If you don't want to back up your words, so be it.

As I said, I got no clue about wins and losses. I'll know that in about 3 years

As for organization change though? Yea its totally different. And if you are too dense to figure it out, or too cowardly to back up words about Cerrato, we'll leave it at that :)
 
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