Jerry Jones says Kelvin Joseph has an Opportunity

[Flamma]

After reading all of Jerry's comments the bottom line is, Jerry said he thinks Joseph is having a good camp. Jerry's comments were more about Joseph cleaning up his off the field image more than his football play.

As for his potential suspension, how does Watson's 6 game suspension for as many as 60 sexual assaults effect the potential suspension of Joseph who it could be argued was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

People are bringing up ridiculous comparisons that have nothing to do with eachother. Yesterday I saw one post that was one sentence long and contained maybe a dozen words. It would have taken at minimum 3 paragraphs to explain everything that was wrong in that post. I found that fascinating. I didn't comment on it because I don't go out of my way to belittle someone posting based on emotion. That's what we're seeing a lot of lately.

To be honest, I'm not sure Joseph gets any suspension. All they have on him is video of fighting in the street. And like you said, wrong place at the wrong time. We have an X federal judge looking at this. She may just give him nothing for that. That's not something the league can appeal.

 

[blueblood70]

Uh-oh, another Jerry reclamation project incomming....

so denver paying RG a lot of cash they must like these JJ projects as well he isnt the first, wont be the last, its LIFE, and life infiltrates sports, get over it..Ray lewis went through he same thing was he project???

 

[links18]

so denver paying RG a lot of cash they must like these JJ projects as well he isnt the first, wont be the last, its LIFE, and life infiltrates sports, get over it..Ray lewis went through he same thing was he project???

Haha, Randy Gregory doesn't belong in the same area code as Ray Lewis. LOL.

 

[GINeric]

If he gets through the last incident without getting a suspension, I wish him the best. I haven't heard very much about him performing well in camp, but I could have missed it. The CBs have a solid group, he's got his work cut out for him.

There's no way he gets suspended for this last incident. The commissioner should be shot himself, if he suspended KJ over something he didn't do!! Im tired of that lopsided punishment BS from the league.

KJ didn't do anything to anybody and should NOT be punished based upon the wrong doings of two other grown men's choices. That **** aint fair....

 

[G2]

There's no way he gets suspended for this last incident. The commissioner should be shot himself, if he suspended KJ over something he didn't do!! Im tired of that lopsided punishment BS from the league.

KJ didn't do anything to anybody and should NOT be punished based upon the wrong doings of two other grown men's choices. That **** aint fair....

Uh, I wouldn't go that far but ok.

 

[FanofJerry]

So...are you only allowed to skate by with hanging with guys that tote guns if they are killing and stealing and giving to the masses/family?

Seems like a double standard here.

I see lots of gun toting government types that carry guns screaming at every chance they have "F them Rag Heads...I'll kill a sand n"

Or is one situation more senseless than the other?

If KJ is proven to have ordered the drive by....then punish him. If he was just part of a situation in the vehicle and all 3 or 4 guys were all saying "f these m-fers...lets blast on 'em"...but KJ didnt have a weapon but "encouraged or fed into the shooting" without control of the guns...I just dont know how much you can punish him. If he was the sole person encouraging the willing shooters...you punish him to a certain extent...but he still didnt pull the trigger. I think you would have to know the shooters history with KJ, the amount of trouble these guys have gotten into together in the past and if KJ really knew these guys would pull the trigger if encouraged. Otherwise...KJ can just say if was an emotional situation and didnt think these guys would use their snappers.

Unless one of his buddies changes the story...it looks like KJ had no intent to harm or kill anyone that night. How can you punish him if thats the only info you have? Prove he had intent to harm or kill someone outside of a fist-fight. Prove it. Otherwise...as I described at the beginning of this post...I see a lot of government types with guns feeding into the "kill people" category and no one seems to have issues with them.

 

[Ken]

I admit. I'm rooting for this kid. I want to see someone learn something from the situation, maybe even take initiative and make amends in his own way to the family, after he gets his next contract in the NFL.

Initially, I incidentally posted a banned URL.

But I'll paraphrase. Basically, Jones said during the press conference at training camp that Kelvin Joseph has an opportunity with the team to paint his name in a negative light. That, he can grind and be a good teammate and allow his behavior and play going forward to show that the worst look at this isn't the real Kelvin Joseph, and that he has a chance with the team to turn it around, so . . . he should make the best of it.

I was impressed that he signed autographs and took special care with the kids section. Could not have been easy to go into a crowd and risk some of the comments that could have been said.

I didn't hear anyone say anything rude though.

 

[Pass2Run]

I was impressed that he signed autographs and took special care with the kids section. Could not have been easy to go into a crowd and risk some of the comments that could have been said.

I didn't hear anyone say anything rude though.

Hadn't heard about that. Is there video on it?

Very interesting to hear. Most people understand about presumption of innocence, making stupid mistakes, wrong place, wrong people, etc.

He should get accustomed to being in front of the camera more. I hope the Cowboys have counselors on it, PR people just in case he has some success down the line.

 

[blueblood70]

Haha, Randy Gregory doesn't belong in the same area code as Ray Lewis. LOL.

umm ray Lewis reference to his first NFL experience as forced witness in double murder to the likes of Joseph, at the time he wasn't HOF ray lewis got it??

..just saying projects like RG are getting paid once again 2 very pertinent facts over the head of blind fans who don't get this stuff happens. The thread was about joseph you made it about Jones and some of his projects i stated its not just his projects other teams do the same AND IN THIS CASE PAID GREGORY UMM DUH

 

[Ken]

Hadn't heard about that. Is there video on it?

Very interesting to hear. Most people understand about presumption of innocence, making stupid mistakes, wrong place, wrong people, etc.

He should get accustomed to being in front of the camera more. I hope the Cowboys have counselors on it, PR people just in case he has some success down the line.

I doubt it...it happened right around me. I actually backed up bc I felt a little weird about it haha My son was excited to get an autograph from him though.

 

[Creeper]

People are bringing up ridiculous comparisons that have nothing to do with eachother. Yesterday I saw one post that was one sentence long and contained maybe a dozen words. It would have taken at minimum 3 paragraphs to explain everything that was wrong in that post. I found that fascinating. I didn't comment on it because I don't go out of my way to belittle someone posting based on emotion. That's what we're seeing a lot of lately.

To be honest, I'm not sure Joseph gets any suspension. All they have on him is video of fighting in the street. And like you said, wrong place at the wrong time. We have an X federal judge looking at this. She may just give him nothing for that. That's not something the league can appeal.

I was reading the NFL's personal conduct policy the other day and it is written to address the conduct of the player, not the people he is hanging out with. Joseph was in the car with the shooter, but what we do not know is what he knew or didn't know at the time. The NFL's policy does talk about cooperation with authorities as a requirement when involved in a criminal act. From all reports Joseph did cooperate fully. So I think you are right. The NFL may not penalize Joseph at all. But, if he gets in any more trouble, I think he will get the Zeke treatment.

 

[FanofJerry]

I was reading the NFL's personal conduct policy the other day and it is written to address the conduct of the player, not the people he is hanging out with. Joseph was in the car with the shooter, but what we do not know is what he knew or didn't know at the time. The NFL's policy does talk about cooperation with authorities as a requirement when involved in a criminal act. From all reports Joseph did cooperate fully. So I think you are right. The NFL may not penalize Joseph at all. But, if he gets in any more trouble, I think he will get the Zeke treatment.

Joseph was in the car with the shooter, but what we do not know is what he knew or didn't know at the time

And until one of Josephs friends completely changes their story...its impossible to prove that Joseph had intent to harm or kill anyone outside of a fist-fight that night. He didnt pull the trigger so shouldnt be in trouble at this point in time unless damning evidence surfaces.

From all reports Joseph did cooperate fully

Looks like it. But if you want to hang your hat on waiting a month to speak with authorities(no one knows if this is fact. no one knows if this could be fabricated to look like Joseph only talked when confronted by authorities so he didnt look like a rat as to not piss off actual killers but actually came forward immediately) to suggest Joseph is the devil...I guess you are showing your true colors. If its true he never came forward until cops confronted him...I guess youre not allowed to be scared of ratting on true killers. Seems reasonable. Psychology traps are fair.

Seems like a pretty easy case to me unless you want to hate on non-government thugs.

 

[zrinkill]

When he gets suspended longer that Watson in the next few weeks, I am gonna laugh at the reaction.

 

[tyke1doe]

But I'll paraphrase. Basically, Jones said during the press conference at training camp that Kelvin Joseph has an opportunity with the team to paint his name in a negative light. That, he can grind and be a good teammate and allow his behavior and play going forward to show that the worst look at this isn't the real Kelvin Joseph, and that he has a chance with the team to turn it around, so . . . he should make the best of it.

 

[tyke1doe]

man you are dreaming there lol. I would be shocked if he did that.\
He makes millions per year now as 2nd rd pick so he could do it now if that was how he felt.

That would be seen as an admission of guilt.

 

[tyke1doe]

One thing Jerry has, is a good heart. Gives many players chances when things go south outside of football. Hopefully Kelvin will respect that. Unlike spoiled pothead Randy Gregory who tossed everyone under the bus when leaving Dallas.

I didn't know Gregory said that about Dak.

 

[DandyDon52]

That would be seen as an admission of guilt.

not really, he is guilty of being friends with the guys who shot their kid, so there is some guilt there?
Depends on if he wants to do the right thing or not.

 

[tyke1doe]

not really, he is guilty of being friends with the guys who shot their kid, so there is some guilt there?
Depends on if he wants to do the right thing or not.

I don't think he owes the family an apology if he's merely a friend of the guys who shot their son.
Nor would he "owe" them money.
If he gave them money, that's another story.
That's why you rarely hear criminal suspects apologize because the prosecutors can use that as a sort of admission of guilt.
If I didn't shot their son, I wouldn't offer an apology or money. Why would I? I did nothing wrong.

 

[DandyDon52]

I don't think he owes the family an apology if he's merely a friend of the guys who shot their son.
Nor would he "owe" them money.
If he gave them money, that's another story.
That's why you rarely hear criminal suspects apologize because the prosecutors can use that as a sort of admission of guilt.
If I didn't shot their son, I wouldn't offer an apology or money. Why would I? I did nothing wrong.

ok he doesnt owe them anything except condolences, maybe I am sorry this happened, and maybe explain why he couldnt stop the other 2 from shooting
from the car he was in ??
If he offered them some money, to cover funeral expenses, it would just show compassion that this happened.
They might not want or take any money from mr fat or whatever name that was.

My thinking is he could have stopped the shooting or caused them to shoot off target, but didnt.