Jerry Jones should be worshiping the ground Jimmy Johnson walks on

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This is true based on each individual's degree of commitment. Let's review:

Jimmy Johnson
NFL head coach: 1989-1993
Out of the league: 1994-1995
NFL head coach: 1996-1999
Out of the league: 2000-present

Jerry Jones
1989-present

9 years versus 34 years.

Shouldn't the guy, with 26 more years in the league, have created much more success demonstratively over the guy, who has been out of the league completely for nearly a quarter century? Not counting his time fishing between his head coaching stints in Dallas and Miami?
And that's what I keep saying. People are trying to compare Jimmy's 4 years at Miami to Jerry's time without him in Dallas. Jerry has had plenty of time to prove to everyone that he was just as responsible for those teams as Jimmy was and he's failed. During those first 5 years Jerry was a great owner. He delegated to his football coach. He could of went down in history as one of the best but getting credit was more important to him than SBs. Compare him to Clint Murchison who was happy to stay in the background and let Tom and Tex run the team. Now he was a great owner.
 

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Salary cap. How many times do I need to repeat it, salary cap. Why Jimmy didn’t make it in Miami, salary, cap. I mean, come on already,
Your argument is that Jerry wasn't incompetent before the cap, just that he is incompetent since the cap has been put in place?

Not sure how this is a defense of Jerry.
 

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Yes Jimmy said Jimmy said. Has anyone confirmed this or could it just be an example of an ego driven head coach puffing out his chest. And just for the record, they're both ego driven, that's why they worked until they didn't.
Why would Jimmy lie about that? All Jerry would have to do to prove that was a lie was to publish the contract himself. He hasn't ever done that because Jimmy is telling the truth.
 

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i'd say if another team would of hired Jimmy back in the day versus Jerry. Jimmy's teams would of mopped the floor of Jerry's....
 

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Your argument is that Jerry wasn't incompetent before the cap, just that he is incompetent since the cap has been put in place?

Not sure how this is a defense of Jerry.
Who is trying to defend him. Just telling you just wasn’t all Jimmy.
 

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Why would Jimmy lie about that? All Jerry would have to do to prove that was a lie was to publish the contract himself. He hasn't ever done that because Jimmy is telling the truth.
Why didn't Jimmy show the contract stating that? Seems he would be the one with something to prove.
 

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This is true based on each individual's degree of commitment. Let's review:

Jimmy Johnson
NFL head coach: 1989-1993
Out of the league: 1994-1995
NFL head coach: 1996-1999
Out of the league: 2000-present

Jerry Jones
1989-present

9 years versus 34 years.

Shouldn't the guy, with 26 more years in the league, have created much more success demonstratively over the guy, who has been out of the league completely for nearly a quarter century? Not counting his time fishing between his head coaching stints in Dallas and Miami?
Why would you think that? What are the odds of making the superbowl? What makes you think if Jimmy were still in the league he would have any more success other than the idolization of Jimmy? How many head coaches in the league have made a superbowl?

Regardless is my supposition is that they both needed us to succeed not that one is "better' than the other.
 

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"One of the finest things, the greatest things, that will have happened in the Cowboys history is Mr. Jimmy Johnson joining the Cowboys. What he brings to the table, the Dallas Cowboys, will be more than if we had five #1 draft choices and the next 5 Heisman trophy winners."
- Jerry Jones in 1989, the day he announced purchase of the Dallas Cowboys

This sounds like someone that should end up in the ROH. So, Jerry, are you now willing to admit you made a mistake when assessing Jimmy's value?

 

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Why would you think that?
(Answering question one) Because (separating Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson's partnership from the hypothesis) four is less than 26?

Actual results could eventually conclude as even but the opportunity to succeed is greater when there is a larger quantity of chances.
What are the odds of making the superbowl?
(Answering question two) Simplified? 1 in 32. Of course, 1 in 32 odds are a TOUCH better over the course of 26 opportunities than they would with having four cracks at achieving it.
What makes you think if Jimmy were still in the league he would have any more success other than the idolization of Jimmy?
(Answering question three)

"Idolization." lol.

Jimmy Johnson is a Pro Football Hall of Fame head coach.

He is a College Football Hall of Fame head coach.

He coached an NFL team to two championships.

He coached a college team to a championship.

His coaching experience includes:
  • five years as an assistant coach
  • three years as a defensive line coach
  • two years as a defensive coordinator
  • a year as an assistant head coach
  • 19 years as a head coach
My... idolization... of 30 years of coaching experience favors someone over that of an individual having none.

How many head coaches in the league have made a superbowl?
(answering question four) In the previous 56 Super Bowls, there have been 59 head coaches reaching the big game for the first time in their careers. (link)

Regardless is my supposition is that they both needed us to succeed not that one is "better' than the other.
Your supposition is restricted solely to the five-year partnership of Jones and Johnson with the Dallas Cowboys franchise. While actual achievements gained from their partnership cannot be argued, your supposition in itself is limited in scope.

You place yourself within a self-made capsule of five years. Others, whom you contend with, state what Jones has not accomplished without Johnson for nearly three decades and summarily dismiss the observation.

Cake.

And eat it too.

Whatever. And thanks for deflecting instead of answering my initial single question.
 

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"One of the finest things, the greatest things, that will have happened in the Cowboys history is Mr. Jimmy Johnson joining the Cowboys. What he brings to the table, the Dallas Cowboys, will be more than if we had five #1 draft choices and the next 5 Heisman trophy winners."
- Jerry Jones in 1989, the day he announced purchase of the Dallas Cowboys

This sounds like someone that should end up in the ROH. So, Jerry, are you now willing to admit you made a mistake when assessing Jimmy's value?
Jerry was right. I miss that Jerry.
 
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