Jerry Just Interviewed on ESPN 2: Mentions WOW Player Again...

[skinsscalper]

I am not sure who Jerry is talking about, but I believe he has to be speaking of a current NFL player likely a WR as this is what would have the most immediate WOW impact on our offense. Especially if this WR can return punts and kickoffs..

Hello Tedd Ginn Jr.?

:laugh2:

 

[Carlito]

Hello Tedd Ginn Jr.?

:laugh2:

You could be right!!

 

[Primetime0201]

WR realy? I mean we did have an amazing year last year at that possition. We still have all 5 WR's this year. But then you look at half back and we only have 1 who isn't an every down back odds are we trade up or take 2 HB's this year. Maybe Felix jones and Chris Johnson or just McFadden. WR and CB can be had in the later rounds for the same or better talent. I have been saying it all offseason that Jordy Nelson is an amazing talent as is Justin King. I mean say we pick up Williams Det or Boldin Arizona and Pacman Tenn then we draft Nelson and King I think that is more then enough at WR and CB.
King, Newman, Henry and Jones at CB would be one of the best in the league and Owens, Glenn, Crayton, Stanback, Nelson, Hurd, Austin and Williams/Boldin are WAY!! more then enough at WR. Although if we do manage to get Nelson and Williams/Boldin I could see Hurd and Austin hitting the practice squad. Could you imagine a 5 wide set with Owens, Glenn, Williams/Boldin, Crayton, Stanback and Nelson? If we manage to pick up McFadden or Johnson they could play WR a few plays a game. Oh yeah and lets not forget about Jason Witten...
I mean it wouldn't be hard to put this togeather. You trade a 5th for Pacman and then next years first for Williams/Boldin. Next years draft won't be so great and we will have some nice comp picks and not many spots to fill. You package the 2 firsts and a few players maybe Fassano and Aeyodele or Spears and Carpenter and we could end up taking McFadden at #3 through the Falcons who can't seem to get enough first day picks these days. I am sure they would love 2 players that could step in and play and the 2 first rounders would go nicely with their 3 2nd's.
They would have 5 picks on day 1. That is pretty tempting.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I know all about DeSean, it's not a matter of informing myself.

I simply don't see him as a wow player. The fact that he's a more complete receiver than Ginn doesn't say much, and unless he's as good as Devin Hester (or even Josh Cribbs, who was an UDFA BTW) on returns (which is impossible to say seeing as how Hester is in the NFL and Desean isn't even a rookie yet), I don't see the wow.

I don't have a problem with drafting the kid, but I don't see the Cowboys staff going into this draft thinking "We gotta have Desean, he's something special!" and I certainly don't see him as being the guy Jerry had in his head when he keeps mentioning that "wow" player.

guess we'll agree to disagree then, DeSean is one of the most explosive players in this draft, and is a terror in the open-field

that's a wow to me, I don't know what you're looking at

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

...I just caught the end of an interview with Jerry on ESPN2 during the Desparadoes game. Jerry said he doesn't know if he can get it, but we need a WOW player to compliment what T.O. and Witten bring to the offense. He also added he's hoping Glenn will come back.

Let the speculation continue...

I believe that "WOW" player could be and is gonna be IMO a WR.. Maybe trade for Roy williams or Chad johnson..

 

[4lifecowboy]

I said it when (actually before) we made the trade during last year's draft and I am reinerating now, Jones made that trade with the thought of loading up to have enough ammo to get McFadden. That's the "wow" player he's had in mind since day one and when all the smoke clears thats who we'll end up with. How he gets there is the only thing that has me wondering right now. Long as we don't dip into 09 picks I say do what ya gotta do Jerry.

 

[CATCH17]

I said it when (actually before) we made the trade during last year's draft and I am reinerating now, Jones made that trade with the thought of loading up to have enough ammo to get McFadden. That's the "wow" player he's had in mind since day one and when all the smoke clears thats who we'll end up with. How he gets there is the only thing that has me wondering right now. Long as we don't dip into 09 picks I say do what ya gotta do Jerry.

I would agree with you but its looking like the Jets are going to be selecting McFadden and I doubt we will give up the farm for the # 4 or 5 pick.

 

[dbair1967]

guess we'll agree to disagree then, DeSean is one of the most explosive players in this draft, and is a terror in the open-field

that's a wow to me, I don't know what you're looking at

I wish he were bigger, but he is very explosive with the ball in his hands and should be a dynamite punt returner...he will probably end up an ideal #3 WR and PR wherever he goes...I just dont know if I'd use either of our 1st rd picks on him...if he slips into round 2 and we've used our 1st two picks on something else, I'd consider moving up to get him then

David

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

again I say so what...we've had several Hall of fame worthy OL, and none of them were first rd picks...had Erik Williams not had his injury, he'd also be a HOF-er

It's nice to have one great OL, but I'd rather have 5 guys who work hard, are technically sound and play well together...and you can get those guys anywhere in the draft if you have a good OL coach

Look at the really great teams of the past 30+ years...the Steelers of the 70's won all those super bowls and had a great OL, not one of those OL was a 1st rd pick (only one was as high as a 2nd)...the great Cowboy teams of the 70's had one of the elite OL's in football, only one starter was a 1st rd pick John Niland (in the mid 60's, and he was gone after 74)...the great Niners teams of the 80's had one OL drafted in the 1st rd (Harris Barton in 88)...our great teams of the 90's had no high picks on the OL...the Pats won 3 super bowls ansd the only OL drafted in the 1st rd that played for them was damien Woody, and he wasnt very good

thats obviously just a few examples...but its just too easy to get a good OL coach, put in a good system and coach up guys rather than spend premium picks on OL's instead of skill/impact players (ie, QB, RB, WR, pass rushers and CB's)...if I were a GM, I'd probably NEVER draft an OL in the first rd unless I had just a huge gaping hole at LT and had the opportunity to draft an Anthony Munoz type talent very early

David

The fact of the matter is that if you want to draft a guy who is going to be a Hall of Fame type player (and IMO, that is always the goal for your first round picks), then you better consider taking them early. You can say so what. That is your right, of course. However, the numbers overwhelmingly support the fact that OLs taken early are more apt to develope into that HOF player. There is no question about this. It's true for any position on the OL. The numbers simply bare it out.

 

[TheCount]

guess we'll agree to disagree then, DeSean is one of the most explosive players in this draft, and is a terror in the open-field

that's a wow to me, I don't know what you're looking at

I wish he were bigger, but he is very explosive with the ball in his hands and should be a dynamite punt returner...he will probably end up an ideal #3 WR and PR wherever he goes...I just dont know if I'd use either of our 1st rd picks on him...if he slips into round 2 and we've used our 1st two picks on something else, I'd consider moving up to get him then

David

That's what I'm looking at.

He may be explosive, but he doesn't seem like a true #1 to me, and I don't think you draft a WR in the first round unless you think he has #1 potential. I'd rather we find an explosive guy like Greg Jennings later instead of spending a 1st rounder on him, but if he falls into the second I agree with David, I'm all for making a move to get him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

1996

4- Jonathan Ogden LT Ravens
10- Willie Anderson RT Bengals
21- Pete Kendall G Seahawks
23 Jeff Hartings G/C Lions
25 Jermane Mayberry OG Eagles
27 John Michaels T Packers
29 Jermaine Stephens T Steelers
30 Andre Johnson T Commanders

1997

1 Orlando Pace LT Rams
6 Walter Jones LT Seahawks
10 Chris Neaole OG Saints
19 Tarik Glenn LT Colts
30 Ross Verba OG Packers

1998

7 Kyle Turley RT Saints
11 Tra Thomas LT Eagles
23 Mo Collins RT Raiders
26 Alan Faneca OG Steelers
27 Victor Riley RT Chiefs

1999

14 John Tait RT Chiefs
18 Matt Stincomb RT Raiders
19 Luke Petigout LT Giants
21 LJ Shelton RT Cardinals
27 Aaaron Gibson RT Lions

2000

3 Chris Samuels LT Commanders
20 Stockar McDougal RT Lions
22 Chris McIntosh RT Seahawks

2001

2 Leonard Davis LT Cardinals
14 Kenyatta Walker RT Bucs
17 Steve Hutchinson OG Seahawks
18 Jeff Backus LT Lions

2002

4 Mike Williams RT Bills
7 Bryant McKinnie LT Vikings
10 Levi Jones LT Bengals
29 Marc Columbo RT Bears
30 Kendall Simmons OG Steelers

2003

8 Jordan Gross RT Panthers
20 George Foster RT Broncos
21 Jeff Faine C Browns
26 Kwame Harris RT Niners

2004

2 Robert Gallery LT Raiders
16 Shawn Andrews RG Eagles
19 Vernon Carey OG Dolphins

2005

13 Jamaal Brown T Saints
19 Alex Barron RT Rams
26 Chris Spencer C Seahawks
32 Logan Mankins G Patriots

2006

4 D Brickashaw Ferguson LT Jets
23 Davin Joseph G Bucs
29 Nick Mangold C Jets

2007

3 Joe Thomas LT Browns
5 Levi Brown RT Cardinals
28 Joe Staley T Niners
29 Ben Grubbs OG Ravens

The bolded guys were clearly worth where they were picked...the italics guys are busts..I didnt rate either of the last two drafts because its too early to tell, though after everyone was creaming themselves over Ferguson and Mangold as rookies, both of them had poor yrs last yr and your even hearing the "d" word wth Ferguson now (as in "disappointment"). The one's with nothing are average to ok starters and IMo werent worth the picks that were used to get them. Please dont sing the praises to me of Chris Samuels either, he is one of the most overrated LT's in football and probably hasnt deserved any of the probowls he has been to.

The guys who turned into very good to great players add up to 9, the busts add up to 18...the rest total 19..I didnt count the last 7 because its too early. So out of 46 OL's drafted the past 12 years, only 9 (less than 20&#37 turned out to be CLEARLY worth the pick that was invested on them. Note this is different than saying "is the guy a good player?" Some of this could be debated, but the numbers are not going to swing dramatically.

David

Let me help you out here. First, you have to compare these numbers to other postitions and find out if the success ratios are reflective of overall numbers regardless of position in the NFL. Second, you have to explain the criteria you base your judgement on, for these players. Lastly, you have to present these players as injury or poor performance criteria. I would judge players in the following manner. If a player has washed out because of injury, then I don't consider that as failure in the draft approach. Players are going to get hurt. Part of the game. If a guy plays 8 years for you and is a starter, I'd consider that guy a good pick. Not great but I'd take an 8 year starter with a 1st round pick over a guy who you pick and he can never beat out the guy in front of him. Obviously, guys who make several Pro Bowls, All Pro teams go without saying. This is how these players should be evaluated IMO. Having said that, here is how I would judge them.

4- Jonathan Ogden LT Ravens 12 year starter in NFL. Suited up 177 games, started 176. 11 Pro Bowl Seasons, 9 All Pro Seasons.
10- Willie Anderson RT Bengals 12 year starter in NFL. Suited up 181 games, started 173. 4 Pro Bowl Seasons, 4 All Pro Seasons.
21- Pete Kendall G Seahawks 12 year starter in NFL. Suited up 173 games, started 172.
23 Jeff Hartings G/C Lions 11 year starter in NFL. Suited up 163 games, started 160. 2 Pro Bowl Seasons, 2 All Pro Seasons.
25 Jermane Mayberry OG Eagles 9 year starter in NFL. Suited up for 123 games, started 104. 1 Pro Bowl Seasons, 1 All Pro Season.
27 John Michaels T Packers 2 years in the NFL. Suited up for 24 games, started 14. Career cut short by injury. ACL, MCL and Cartlidge tears sustained in pass block drills against Vonnie Holiday. Could not be repaired. Never passed physical to get back on field. Name is actually spelled Michels.
29 Jermaine Stephens T Steelers 5 years in the NFL. Suited up for 39 games, started 15. Name is spelled Jamain Stephens.
30 Andre JohnsonT Commanders 2 seasons in the NFL. Suited for 3 games, never started. Career cut short by injuries.

1997

1 Orlando Pace LT Rams 10 year starter in the NFL. Suited up 144 games, started 140. 7 Pro Bowl Seasons, 6 All Pro Seasons.
6 Walter Jones LT Seahawks 11 year starter in the NFL. Suited up 168 games, started 168 games. 8 Pro Bowl Seasons, 7 All Pro Seasons.
10 Chris Neaole OG Saints 10 year starter in the NFL. Suited up 154 games, started 150. Spelled Naeole.
19 Tarik Glenn LT Colts 10 year starter in the NFL. Suited up 154 games, started 154 games. 3 Pro Bowl Seasons.
30 Ross Verba OG Packers 8 year starter in the NFL. Suited up 117 games, started 107.

1998

7 Kyle Turley RT Saints 9 year starter in the NFL. Suited up for 109 games, started 107. One All Pro Season.
11 Tra Thomas LT Eagles 10 year starter in the NFL. Suited up 150 games, started 149. 3 Pro Bowl Seasons, 2 All Pro Seasons.
23 Mo Collins RT Raiders 6 yr starter in the NFL. Suited up 71 games, started 64.
26 Alan Faneca OG Steelers 10 year starter in the NFL. 7 Pro Bowl seasons, 7 All Pro Seasons.
27 Victor Riley RT Chiefs 8 year starter in the NFL. Suited up for 111 games, started 93. Retired in 2005 due to injurys.


1999

14 John Tait RT Chiefs 8 year starter in NFL. Suited up 132 games, started 123.
18 Matt Stincomb RT Raiders 5 years in NFL. Suited up for 66 games, started 36. Actually spelled Stinchcomb.
19 Luke Petigout LT Giants 9 year starter in NFL. Suited up for 118 games, started 109. Actually spelled Petitgout.
21 LJ Shelton RT Cardinals 9 year starter in NFL. 130 games suited, 125 started.
27 Aaaron Gibson RT Lions 5 year career in NFL. 38 games suited, 34 started. Ate himself out of the league.


2000

3 Chris Samuels LT Commanders 8 year starter in NFL. 124 games suited up, 124 games started. 5 Pro Bowl seasons, 2 All Pro seasons.
20 Stockar McDougal RT Lions 7 Seasons in the NFL. Suited up for 80 games, started 56.
22 Chris McIntosh RT Seahawks Played two seasons in the NFL. McIntosh suited up for 24 games. McIntosh started 10 of 14 games in his rookie seasons prior to sustaining a career ending Neck injury in his second seasons. He never recovered, never returned to football.

2001

2 Leonard Davis LT Cardinals 7 year starter in the NFL. Suited up for 107 games, started 107 games. One Pro Bowl Seasons, One All Pro Seasons.
14 Kenyatta Walker RT Bucs 5 year starter in NFL. Suited for 75 games, started 73 games. Out of football in 06.
17 Steve Hutchinson OG Seahawks 7 years starter in the NFL. Suited for 100 games, started 100 games. 5 Pro Bowl Seasons, 5 All Pro Seasons.
18 Jeff Backus LT Lions 7 year starer in the NFL. Suited up for 112 games, started 112 games.

2002

4 Mike Williams RT Bills Started 4 seasons in the NFL, played 5. Suited up for 51 games, started 47. Out of football since 2005.
7 Bryant McKinnie LT Vikings 6 year starter in the NFL. Suited for 88 games, started 87.
10 Levi Jones LT Bengals 6 year starter in NFL. Suited up for 84 games, started 79.
29 Marc Columbo RT Bears 5 seasons in the NFL, two as starter. Suited up for 55 games, started 39. Has started all 16 games last two seasons. Spelled Colombo, Marc Colombo started his career injured and has taken 3 seasons to recover. Jury is still out on this player IMO but leaning towards success IMO.
30 Kendall Simmons OG Steelers 5 year starter in the NFL. Suited up for 79 games, started 76 games.

2003

8 Jordan Gross RT Panthers 5 year starter in NFL. Has suited up for 80 games, has started 80 games.
20 George Foster RT Broncos 3 year starter in the NFL, to this point. Has been in league 5 years. Suited up for 64 games, has started 54. Jury is still out IMO.
21 Jeff Faine C Browns 5 year starter in NFL. 66 games suited up, 66 games started.
26 Kwame Harris RT Niners 2 year starter in NFL, 5 years in the league. Suited up 72 games, started 44. Still has a chance but right now, I'd say bust.

2004

2 Robert Gallery LT Raiders 4 year starter in the NFL. 58 games suited up, 57 games started.
16 Shawn Andrews RG Eagles 4 years in NFL, 3 year starter. Sustained season ending injury in rookie year. Has been starter for Philly last three seasons. 48 games suited up, 48 games started.
19 Vernon Carey OG Dolphins 3 year starter in NFL, has been in the league 4 years. 62 games suited up, 48 started. In the last three seasons, he has been the starter 46 of 48 games.

2005 Beyond this point, I don't think you can fairly evaluate. However, I will provide feed back on limited info.

13 Jamaal Brown T Saints 3 year starter in NFL. Suited up 43 games, started 43 games. One Pro Bowl Season, one All pro Season. Spelled Jammal.
19 Alex Barron RT Rams 3 year starter in NFL. Suited up 44 games, started 43.
26 Chris Spencer C Seahawks 3 years in NFL, 2 year starter. Suited up 40 games, started 29. Has started 29 of last 32 since 06 season.
32 Logan Mankins G Patriots 3 year starter in NFL. Suited up 48 games, started 48 games. One Pro Bowl, one All Pro season.

2006

4 D Brickashaw Ferguson LT Jets Two year starter in NFL. Suited 32 games, started 32 games. Too early to tell but I would list him as succesful pick.
23 Davin Joseph G Bucs 2 year starter in NFL. 29 games suited, 28 games started. Sustained season ending injury in rookie year but has come back strong. Too early to tell but at this point, I'd list him as a succesful Pick.
29 Nick Mangold C Jets 2 year starter in NFL. 32 games suited, 32 games started. Too early to tell but at this point, I would list him as succesful pick.

2007

3 Joe Thomas LT Browns 1 year starter in NFL. Suited 16 games, started 16 games. 1 Pro Bowl seasons. Too early to tell but at this point, I'd list him as a succesful pick.
5 Levi Brown RT Cardinals 1 year starter in NFL. 13 games suited, 11 games started. Too early to tell but right now, I'd list him as a succesful pick.
28 Joe Staley T Niners 1 year starter. 16 games suited. 16 games started. Too early to tell but looks to be a good pick.
29 Ben Grubbs OG Ravens 1 year starter. 16 games suited, 12 games started. Too early to tell but looks to be a good pick.

Now, based on this evaluation, I'd say the numbers would change significantly. Many of these players are not All Pros, per say, but if you said I could spend a high pick on a guy who would start for me for several years, I'd probably take that. JMO but you see how evaluations can change depending on what is being evaluated.

 

[TheCount]

Good post, ABQ, I agree with most of your points.

But Robert Gallery's career is still up in the air. He was an absolute flop at LT, especially for a #2 overall pick. He got destroyed by speed to the point where they finally gave up and moved him to guard. You don't draft a guard #2 overall.

 

[iceberg]

WOW.

i just wanna be cool and make sure i use the cool catch phrase at least once today. : )

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good post, ABQ, I agree with most of your points.

But Robert Gallery's career is still up in the air. He was an absolute flop at LT, especially for a #2 overall pick. He got destroyed by speed to the point where they finally gave up and moved him to guard. You don't draft a guard #2 overall.

I would agree that he probably was not worth the 2nd overall pick. However, if he has a 10 to 12 year career and he starts for 90% of the games, I'd still probably call that a success. The thing for me is was the pick wasted, as opposed to did the player meet public expectations. As a fanchise, you spend so much time trying to hit on players because of cap etc., that to me (especially with OLs), you hate to spend the cap and draft pick only to see them not provide value to the team. Is it the value we expect? Probably not but if he's a solid guy for 10 years, then it's not a waste IMO.

 

[Rampage]

you guys are messing up the "WOW" thread with o-linemen talk

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

you guys are messing up the "WOW" thread with o-linemen talk

Not messing, simply avoiding.

 

[iceberg]

you guys are messing up the "WOW" thread with o-linemen talk

there isn't a WOW threat not already messed up by it's nature alone.

 

[junk]

Look around the league at the good to great offensive lines.

How many are constructed of high round draft choices? Tackle is pretty common (especially left), but many of the good lines are built with mid to late round draft choices and undrafted free agents.

Building an offensive line is more about finding guys that fit your system, keeping a system for a long period of time and having an established offensive line coach.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Look around the league at the good to great offensive lines.

How many are constructed of high round draft choices? Tackle is pretty common (especially left), but many of the good lines are built with mid to late round draft choices and undrafted free agents.

Building an offensive line is more about finding guys that fit your system, keeping a system for a long period of time and having an established offensive line coach.

Well, that's kinda the point right? Look at our OL coach and then look at our current personnal and there weakness'. Which one doesn't fit? What might we be looking at?

Our OL is not made up of a bunch of high priced draft picks that we shelled out. Adams was a 2nd round pick (relatively high), Kosier was a 7th rd draft pick (not by us but an FA that we went out and bought). Gurode was a 2nd round pick by us. Davis was a 1st Rd pick by Az (again, we bought him). Colombo was a 1st Rd pick by the Bears (Again, we bought him). Basically, we have two 2nd round picks invested, from a draft perspective, in our OL. We can afford to use a 1st rd pick on an OL if that's the best player on the board at our choice. Contrary to popular believe, 1st rd OL picks are not as risky as some may think. As illustrated earlier in this thread.

Take the best player available to us at a position of need. That's the best policy IMO.

 

[Primetime0201]

Could Chad Johnson be the WOW?